He makes good points, presentation is not good though... he's too worked up and too aggresive...
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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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He makes good points, presentation is not good though... he's too worked up and too aggresive...
Haunted
Member
I dunno about US employment laws, but it's not too far fetched to think that MS could demote/fire Orth for unintentionally leaking the always online news and causing some real harm to MS' planned marketing push for Durango.
That said, I see no need for us to shoot the (unintentional) messenger, even if he was being kind of a dick about it.
That said, I see no need for us to shoot the (unintentional) messenger, even if he was being kind of a dick about it.
grimshawish
Banned
Shame hes fired but honestly...we've heard a lot of odd things about this guy and hes not exactly well positioned for the job. It just means someone more reasonable and deserving of the job gets the position.
Still very very telling that this is who MS considers a 'Creative Director' though.
He obviously was not right for a role with the responsibilities and insight it offered; do hope he finds his feet though.
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However, it is sad that this guy is out of work yet Gies continues to be subsidised by Polygon/Microsoft for doing not very much whatsoever except shilling.
Still very very telling that this is who MS considers a 'Creative Director' though.
He obviously was not right for a role with the responsibilities and insight it offered; do hope he finds his feet though.
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However, it is sad that this guy is out of work yet Gies continues to be subsidised by Polygon/Microsoft for doing not very much whatsoever except shilling.
Agreed.
If his Twitter account didn't brag that he was a Creative Director at Microsoft Game Studios then I'm sure it could've been deflected as his personal opinion. But he had to put that there so as far as I'm concerned he was speaking for the company without their authorisation. I don't have my employer on my Twitter, I am not authorised to speak for them, they have PR for that purpose.
Wait what? I hope he didn't lose his job.
Was reading the comments on the youtube video of Boogie2988, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZgmM0ZMkq4&lc=RooagDBxdiS5Rk0RJEMcFrzZ8tTcjw693j6rCwSEFWg great vid), and someone made a great point
We shouldn't call it 'Always Online', we should only use 'Online Only' from now on....
SiManRevolution said:
We shouldn't call it 'Always Online', we should only use 'Online Only' from now on....
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
That's actually a good distinction, I might just call it that from now on.
Katana_Strikes
Member
test_account
XP-39C²
I see what you mean. I guess that we will never know 100% for sure if Microsoft intended to include always online requirement for the games in the first place, if these rumors are false.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I purposely have these kind of "troll" conversations with my friends in private messages on facebook, not on walls or whatever other public means. Even if I'm directly responding to something in their status, I will always use a private message. Too much is out there, best to be like a ghost.
all i'm seeing are if statements in here... i don't think he has been fired yet.
Warrior at Heart
Neo Member
DLC Escalation:
Always-online DRM Escalation:
- 2006: Horse Armor rears its ugly head. Lots of people laugh...lots of people buy it too. Thus begins the saga of DLC.
- 2007: Beautiful Katamari contains on-disc DLC. EA charge for tutorial videos previously free.
- 2008-2010: It starts to become obvious content is held back to be released as day 1 DLC. Games become less filled with content and far more filled with purchasable DLC. Outcry does little to stem the tide amidst all the people who do purchase it.
- 2011-Present: Escalates further: i.e. Dead Space 3s design seems to revolve around strongly encouraging players to purchase DLC.
Always-online DRM Escalation:
- 2013: Rumour that Durango requires always online to play games or even do anything. Kinect required too. If true, once released people will reluctantly #dealwithit.
- 2014: Microsoft implements update that uses kinect to detect who is in the room. The more people it detects, the more it'll charge for a movie rental or game. If kinect detects no-one, because it is covered, it outright refuses to do anything.
- 2015: Escalation: User data compiled will be used to increase subscription charges for those who often have more than one person using a single Durango, detected through Kinect.
- 2016: Escalation: ????
ThisWreckage
Banned
Can Crusher
Banned
Honestly, there has to be user error. I've never met anybody who went through more than 2 or 3 rrods.
15? Is the console inside the oven or something?
Ploid 3.0
Member
Microsoft plans foiled!
[back of the box]
*Always online
*Always kinected
*Always on
*Xbox D, your Ultimate game center!
Probably, but the point is they could effectively brick your console for however long they like, should they wish to. If they can decide offline customers aren't worth having they can equally decide ban-able customers aren't worth having either. I'm less concerned here about those who deserve a ban than those who are mistakenly handed a ban, as has happened before. It's a small point compared to the main ones discussed here, but still worth bringing up I think.
fabricated backlash
Member
15 seems excessive, but even 2 or 3 is unacceptable. The 360 was a POS in terms of hardware reliability, and even if MS doesn't go online only, I'd never get their next console at launch, or several years in and several price cuts after. I've been burned too much by the 360 to go spending money on a MS product anytime soon.
jono51
Banned
Or maybe on top of a wine cooler?
semiconscious
Member
this. & it's mainly all because they initially opted to delay this announcement a little too long for their own good...
whatever 'strategy', or timetable, ms had in place in regards to their console release announcement has proven to be disastrous. & to adamantly continue to stick to their original plan, no matter what, rather than being flexible & willing/able to adapt owing to unforeseen circumstances, is either a sign of hubris, or an indication of corporate paralysis...
or both...
grimshawish
Banned
Oh okay sorry; was just reading into people talking about him being fired or not.
got a good chuckle.
Ploid 3.0
Member
This is what I've have been thinking about with these cameras. I have a feeling they may use it to identify marketing related information MS can use to make money off of. Average house hold number, average female that watch movies on Xbox D, average female that knows how to use the voice command to use the xbox store, average female that plays the new female focus tested Halo.
You can't hide, you can't play with kinect unplugged, maybe you can cover the lenses though. MS is watching. PS4 is rumored to work without the PS eye though.
Can Crusher
Banned
The guy even has a slim in there, weren't those supposed to solve the problem?
And yeah of course it's unacceptable, I always thought you needed bad luck to get a console crap on you once and worse luck to crap on you 2. But it being common it's ridiculous.
My fat 60gb, which people say has the biggest chance of crapping out, of all the PS3 hardware is still kicking strong and she has traveled to hot and cold places. PS2 BC, gotta love it.
But... It's an invasion of privacy.
fabricated backlash
Member
See that just asumes MS is an evil entity doing things out of spite. An offline customer isn't worth having, but keeping a customer in their marketplace is worth it. XBL is already built around keeping you exposed to as much advertisement and content as possible. With an online only console, they bring this model to it's next logical evolution.
Let me just get this straight, Im still confused about this "always online" thing. Say it's true does that mean I have to be signed up to XBL in order to play single player games, and if I don't sign in to my account I wont be able to play games that are meant to be enjoyed without online connection like for example Ground Zeros??
If that is the case how can anyone think it's a good idea to have an always online system!?
If that is the case how can anyone think it's a good idea to have an always online system!?
"I have noticed you have been watching porn alone a lot, Michael. May I suggest some nearby escorts? Say Xbox help me to continue"
peanutbutterlatte
Member
ThisWreckage
Banned
I posted this yesterday.
I can't really elaborate, but what you detailed is essentially Microsoft's end game.
R_thanatos
Member
Nobody does think that it's a good idea . at best you'll get people saying that it won't affect them because they have a perfect online connexion even when they don't realise that they could lose said connexion over any external event.
Ploid 3.0
Member
(boots up Xbox D)
[Hi customer, read this. You must accept this to play this system.]
Do you accept these terms?
[I accept] [I don't accept]
The end for Microsoft Xbox franchise, why yes.
What's wrong with that though? I mean, compiling data is something every big tech company does these days (Netflix, google, Facebook come to mind) and that's a far cry from the anti-consumer always-online. They're probably already doing that.
Kill Your Masters
Member
So you want to cancel your Gold/PS+ sub? I'm afraid I can't let you do that, xXx C0D P0wn3r xXx
What privacy, those went out the window (in the us) a long time ago.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Fuck you Microsoft
The first xbox Durango piracy!
gaming_noob
Member
facebook, google, nearly every online device does that. Even NeoGaf has customized ads.
ThisWreckage
Banned
This falls in line with their business practices in the past. They want an always online console so they have gobs of statistics at their hands so they can know exactly what to peddle toward you. I wasn't really referring to solely customized ads. If you thought Live ads were ridiculous and intrusive this gen then wait.
There's our tagline for the future Durango OT (probably).
So you want to cancel your Gold/PS+ sub? I'm afraid I can't let you do that, xXx C0D P0wn3r xXx
Then Xbox cancel mode turns on:
What I really find troubling is that when Kinect is connected the data is going to an American company, which has to surrender data to the US government, because they like it. Without warrant or anything.
It is a potential webcam for government agencies. And I am by no means a conspiracy theory guy, or anti government person... but that is troubling to me. Especially when it isn't my own government...
Boards of Canada
Member
I just don't believe any of this. Microsoft will have built-in fallbacks if you don't have an Internet connection. They can't be that stupid.
Can we really call Microsoft foolish for thinking that? The RROD issue should have relegated the 360 to a distant third place, but it didn't. How many other luxury items can you think of that were straight up defective for a good portion of their life cycle, but still went on to put up respectable sales numbers? The Xbox Live's pricing scheme & consumers' overall tolerance to being nickeled & dimed when it comes to other things also tells Microsoft they can get away with a lot as long as it's introduced to the public properly.
I'm sure someone at Microsoft is like, "OK. They'll continue to buy our console if it's defective, but not if it always connected?
"With that said, I believe Microsoft would love nothing more than to quickly turn Durango into a device that people primarily buy for something other than gaming -- or more specifically AAA gaming. They're just too much work involved in catering to that audience & the companies that serve them.