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[StereoVsn]

Oh-oh, somebody's boss noticed and it's time to backtrack!

 

[Topher]

That actually isn't too bad all in all. Stupid naming convention aside, the security copilot can help with making some sense of that. Of course it's still all worse than Splunk.

That's encouraging. This isn't my regular job role, but we don't really have anyone doing this kind of thing. Powers that be threw it in my lap so I gotta run with it either way.

 

[StereoVsn]

That's encouraging. This isn't my regular job role, but we don't really have any doing this kind of thing. Powers that be threw it in my lap so I gotta run with it either way.

LLMs are actually decent at this sort of broad pattern analysis and MS has built in tools to help specifically with Sentinel (if your management pays). Either way it will be an interesting project to work on.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Topher]

LLMs are actually decent at this sort of broad pattern analysis and MS has built in tools to help specifically with Sentinel (if your management pays). Either way it will be an interesting project to work on.

Yeah, I've been working with LLMs. I think that part I can handle pretty well. It's integrating and automating the whole thing and deriving some sort of deliverable in some format yet to be determined. I can see myself right now leveraging all this cloud/AI power and at the end of the day all it does is shit out an email

 

[ReBurn]

They have Copilot in Azure now. I was talking to one of MS architects during our meeting and we were asking him basically "what's the point". He went on about how you could ask Copilot to create a VM with parameters you want.

After a question of likelihood of a hallucination and what is even the point if pretty much everyone does deployment through automation tools, or Terraform or Bicep, the answer was it could maybe at least answer some questions about the environment.

It's all so pointless and yet MS is spending resources and reducing other areas like actual support for Azure. I am so tired of this shit. For all my dislike of Bezos and Co, AWS is miles ahead both on functionality and support side.

Anyways, I do admit some of the Foundry crap is actually useful. We have deployed agents through it and visibility and audit logging are very useful.

Asking copilot to stand up Azure resources feels way less useful to me than having AI create the bicep file to deploy Azure resources for your app as part of a devops workflow. It feels more risky at the infrastructure level because if a trusting infrastructure engineer doesn't check behind the AI could be leaving huge security gaps. I think it still needs more work there before I'll want to use it.

I see hallucinations in their coding assistants way more than I like. It often invents requirements or infers structures and relationships that weren't part of the conversation. For as helpful as they are you still have to verify everything. I'm working on exposing some API functionality through an MCP server to enable AI agents and it's pretty cool tech. I expect to deploy a few this coming year.

 

[StereoVsn]

Asking copilot to stand up Azure resources feels way less useful to me than having AI create the bicep file to deploy Azure resources for your app as part of a devops workflow. It feels more risky at the infrastructure level because if a trusting infrastructure engineer doesn't check behind the AI could be leaving huge security gaps. I think it still needs more work there before I'll want to use it.

I see hallucinations in their coding assistants way more than I like. It often invents requirements or infers structures and relationships that weren't part of the conversation. For as helpful as they are you still have to verify everything. I'm working on exposing some API functionality through an MCP server to enable AI agents and it's pretty cool tech. I expect to deploy a few this coming year.

I am not ashamed to admit that I used AI for bicep/Terraform. But I could never even think to one shit that into even test.

Edit: I do like MCP most of the time, but some days it's annoying AF. I always find the biggest issue in trying to auth since MCL doesn't natively handle that. Also, if you have more than a handful of tool calls through MCP, token consumption grows like crazy and that can get $$!

 

[bitbydeath]

Oh-oh, somebody's boss noticed and it's time to backtrack!

Not sure how much of a backtrack that is as he never originally stated Windows was being rewritten in Rust, only the C/C++ parts.

 

[ReBurn]

Not sure how much of a backtrack that is as he never originally stated Windows was being rewritten in Rust, only the C/C++ parts.

I imagine that's most of Windows, though. At least the core stuff that needs to perform well.

 

[StereoVsn]

Not sure how much of a backtrack that is as he never originally stated Windows was being rewritten in Rust, only the C/C++ parts.

I would imagine most of the core functionality is C/C++ although they have switched to C# quite a while back.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's Microsoft the biggest software company in the world, I think they've got more talented people working for them than whomever you work for, some people are just better at their jobs than others, no offence

 

[bitbydeath]

I imagine that's most of Windows, though. At least the core stuff that needs to perform well.

Agreed. His "backtrack" was for all of Windows though and not most.

Classic MS speak, quick, look over here >>>

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Not sure how much of a backtrack that is as he never originally stated Windows was being rewritten in Rust, only the C/C++ parts.

Which is almost all of Windows



Some newer apps use Rust, or are even (shudder) Webapps which run on Webview2 like Teams. But Windows is incredibly old. Most of the kernel is still in C after all these years

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

I wonder if this move is being triggered by the us government encouraging devs to ditch c/c++. My company's codebase is also primarily c/c++ and they do have US government orgs as clients, I wonder if we will be forced to take a "similar" step( with humans instead of AI)

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/cisa-fbi-memory-safety-recommendations/

 

[PlayStaytion]

Imagine if you learned to code after losing your last job and saw this.

Think of all the people we were teaching to code because we were sure that would be a futureproof job.

That is how little we know about anything.

In 3 years we might all be werecats and we would not have changed much more than we already do.

We are not serious people.

Real teachers teach you how to think, profitable schools just don't want to raise their standards cause it will make many of them look bad.

 

[bitbydeath]

Which is almost all of Windows



Some newer apps use Rust, or are even (shudder) Webapps which run on Webview2 like Teams. But Windows is incredibly old. Most of the kernel is still in C after all these years

Yeah, my point was he's debunking nothing when his second statement doesn't match his first.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Come on, he is just musing. He is just playing with fantasies.

I don't understand how anyone can take this as any sort of confirmation of rebuilding Microsoft codebases.

 

[th4tguy]

It's Microsoft the biggest software company in the world, I think they've got more talented people working for them than whomever you work for, some people are just better at their jobs than others, no offence

Debatable. We employ more people, have been around for 60 years longer than MS, and pioneered ai and quantum computing before anyone else.

 

[Ar¢tos]

It's Microsoft the biggest software company in the world, I think they've got more talented people working for them than whomever you work for, some people are just better at their jobs than others, no offence

The same company that took 10 years to fix the "update and shutdown" bug and can't make a taskbar moveable?

 

[pachura]