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[Sato Koiji]

Hyperbolemania. That producer was a prick and thats all it is.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Y'all talkin shit but Mila's responsible for the greatest film interview of all time tho

just absurd nonsense all around that vid, let's all go to Nando's

Legendary interview.

 

[Savitar]

This thread went to the dogs.

Hollywood is extremely awful towards female actors, this has been known for decades and continues to happen. Them being pushed to do sexy ads, that's hardly a surprise, it's kind of like how older male actors continue to get paired up with females half their age on screen. Reach a certain age? You are out of luck or considered past your prime.

 

[Htown]

Well this thread got off to a bad start right off the bat!

It's related to sexism, it was doomed to be garbage.

I mean, just fucking look at some of these posts, are you kidding me?

And it happens every single time.

 

[IISANDERII]

Why isn't she naming names??

 

[Messofanego]

Why isn't she naming names??

I'm guessing she still wants to work?

 

[Superkamikaze]

She gets paid something like $225k an episode to recite several lines for a stupid character on a dumb show. I think she's doing rather well in the Hollywood game.

Damn, she's killing it.

 

[Paganmoon]

Y'all talkin shit but Mila's responsible for the greatest film interview of all time tho

just absurd nonsense all around that vid, let's all go to Nando's

Hahah, holy shit! that was something else

 

[kame-sennin]

She's no angel.

daaaaaaayuum

 

[Jag]

Hyperbolemania. That producer was a prick and thats all it is.

Really? You know this for a fact? Because I'm going to take the word of a known Hollywood insider, who incidentally, is not nearly the first woman to say this.

How many woman have to complain about this exact thing until it's not hyberbole or just an isolated incident to you?

 

[HotHamBoy]

I just wanted to pop in and say that I'm really tired of her whiskey commercials.

But being a woman in Hollywood sounds awful.

Hyperbolemania. That producer was a prick and thats all it is.

 

[kame-sennin]

It's related to sexism, it was doomed to be garbage.

I mean, just fucking look at some of these posts, are you kidding me?

And it happens every single time.

"I love Mila Kunis, she's my favorite actress!"

- "She says she's being treated unfairly on the set because she's a woman."

"Fuck that bitch!"

 

[Wild Card]

Hyperbolemania. That producer was a prick and thats all it is.

Oh? Perhaps you would like to inform us of what Hollywood is really like. I'm sure this guy is the only one with these views, just a bad apple, nothing else. Also being told to pose naked for some rag isn't being a prick, a prick is the guy that bumps into your shoulder and doesn't apologize, not this sexist pig threatening her career.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Thing is it sounds like she said no after she was already a star and had some clout? I mean, good for her honestly, but I doubt a girl can stand up for herself like this when she's just starting out.

This reminds me of when I went to a job interview once that had some unrelated, no-name producer's or director's room door open with the convo spilling into the hallway. It was two men literally bitching over an actress. They were like mad and appalled that she didn't blindly accept a nude scene and wanted more info about the production first, and that she expressed any pause or hesitation. Unless they were working with a porn actress to shoot porn, not sure why they were miffed.

 

[lenovox1]

The full blog post on Medium.

https://medium.com/mosaic2/youll-never-work-in-this-town-again-2e16c81e12c1#.qk9ptuyxh

...[W]e are conditioned to believe — that if we speak up, our livelihoods will be threatened; that standing our ground will lead to our demise. We don’t want to be kicked out of the sand box for being a “bitch.” So we compromise our integrity for the sake of maintaining status quo and hope that change is coming.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Well this thread got off to a bad start right off the bat!

It's related to sexism, it was doomed to be garbage.

Are you two talking about my first response?

 

[Ponn]

Coming from a poor ass immigrant family where my uneducated father had to scoop slag out molten metal while standing on a burning piece of lumber and my mother had to sweat in a fur factory 12 hours a day on her feet, I do see the problem with inequity in western society.

I just don't think Kunis has a real grasp on suffering. The point you quoted also does not make sense. She only felt she could push back once she was raking in a quarter mill per ep to play some pushover woman on a horrible fucking show that isn't even funny? I'll go tell my grade 8 educated, toilet cleaning mother that. It'll really inspire her.

Shut up Meg.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Thing is it sounds like she said no after she was already a star and had some clout? I mean, good for her honestly, but I doubt a girl can stand up for herself like this when she's just starting out.

That's like, exactly the point. She's specifically stating she's lucky enough to be in a position where she can call bullshit on this stuff, but think about how it is for all the women who aren't.

 

[MutFox]

Unless a scene REALLY calls for it, (It's pretty much never needed)
I'm more a fan of actors that don't go nude.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

"If this is happening to me, it is happening more aggressively to women everywhere. I am fortunate that I have reached a place that I can stop compromising and stand my ground, without fearing how I will put food on my table. I am also fortunate that I have the platform to talk about this experience in the hope of bringing one more voice to the conversation so that women in the workplace feel a little less alone and more able to push back for themselves."

Absolutely based.

 

[Zaphrynn]

People like the producer should be named. People like him exist and keep existing because they know that they get away with it. Sure an article like this gets written and they know who they are but no one else does and they can continue being the shitty person that they are.

Then she'd get people saying she shouldn't say anything unless she has proof, and people fighting about whether or not she's telling the truth. It would effectively bury her main message.

And I'm sure she could write a book on the people that have sexually harassed her or been sexist to her in the industry. Naming names isn't the point here.

So, is this a thread about a woman brining a significant problem to light, only to be met with criticisms which suggest she should shut up, because worse things exist, followed up by direct criticisms of her? Is this one of those threads? Or do most people agree she has a right to highlight an awful thing that happened to her?

No because she's a pretty woman and pretty women can't have problems. Life is easy and great and perfect for pretty women. They need to shut up because they don't know what life is like. /s

 

[Azzanadra]

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

Why isn't she naming names??

I wondered this too. You see stories like this often where an actress or whatever will make a comment about how they've been badly mistreated by certain people within the industry but never name names. And it's really infuriating. These fucks should be called out.

But I imagine, ultimately, it all boils down to he said she said. If Mila Kunis has no concrete evidence then she'll probably get sued up the wazoo.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Oh fuck off with this.

 

[TrounceX]

What a fucking embarrassing thread. I don't know what else to say.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Fascinating how many people choose to pretend like what she's saying isn't valid, nor read the thread before posting gifs and responses like this.

Utterly fascinating.

 

[iammeiam]

People brushing this off as just a rich person who doesn't understand whining for attention is getting to me, because the things she says here are absolutely true. It doesn't matter if she's better off than any of us will ever be. It doesn't matter that she's privileged enough to now be insulated from the nastier side-effects of this. It's still true, and calling attention to it from a position of privilege, where it will actually get attention, is still a good thing.

This section in particular:

In the process of pitching this show to a major network, the typical follow-up emails were sent to executives at this network. In this email chain, this producer chose to email the following:
“And Mila is a mega star. One of biggest actors in Hollywood and soon to be Ashton’s wife and baby momma!!!”
This is the entirety of his email. Factual inaccuracies aside, he reduced my value to nothing more than my relationship to a successful man and my ability to bear children. It ignored my (and my team’s) significant creative and logistical contributions.
We withdrew our involvement in the project.
Yes, it is only one small comment. But it’s these very comments that women deal with day in and day out in offices, on calls, and in emails — micro-aggressions that devalue the contributions and worth of hard working women.
Subtle gender bias is oftentimes nearly imperceptible, and even wholly undetectable to those who share the bias. It became clear in later emails from this producer that he was totally unaware of why his words were so appalling. What he characterized as a “lighthearted” comment was actually deeply undermining to my contributions and ability to be taken seriously as a creative partner.

Is true. Yes, most women would kill to be in a position in their lives where they can afford to walk away from a business deal for a remark like that. Yes, she is lucky. The problem she is calling out--and noting that she has an abnormal level of freedom in handling--still exists, and is worth being reminded of, and it's frustrating to see both the message and the messenger being dismissed by so many.

 

[Lan Dong Mik]

You sure they didn't tell her that after seeing her in Jupiter Ascending? Because goddamn, I don't think I'll ever be able to take her seriously in another role again after watching that movie lol.

 

[Armaros]

People brushing this off as just a rich person who doesn't understand whining for attention is getting to me, because the things she says here are absolutely true. It doesn't matter if she's better off than any of us will ever be. It doesn't matter that she's privileged enough to now be insulated from the nastier side-effects of this. It's still true, and calling attention to it from a position of privilege, where it will actually get attention, is still a good thing.

This section in particular:


Is true. Yes, most women would kill to be in a position in their lives where they can afford to walk away from a business deal for a remark like that. Yes, she is lucky. The problem she is calling out--and noting that she has an abnormal level of freedom in handling--still exists, and is worth being reminded of, and it's frustrating to see both the message and the messenger being dismissed by so many.

That requires people to actually read the article in the OP instead of making their classic and predicable responses immediately.

 

[NimbusD]

Yep, all women who deal with this shit are rich and can cry into their money. You nailed it.