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Milo Yiannopoulos's UC Berkeley speech cancelled due to protests, campus on lockdown
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Chie Satonaka
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We're putting free speech before human safety for reasons.
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Gordon Shumway
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You assuming the person you quoted wasn't being ridiculous..get it?
It does appear to have been anarchists.
There's a website called itsgoingdown.org where they were saying people the alt-right were going to be there prepared to fight/would be armed....they obviously aren't keen on liberals either based on what they were saying on a page about the Milo event -
He didn't...but he understood.
They'll disagree that there are no other alternatives as the worst white nationalists merely talk their way into more positions of power. They want us to wait until it's too late defend ourselves.
EatinOlives
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I think the vast majority of the hand-wringing is coming from people uncomfortable at the fact that the country is becoming further and further divided by the day, and because in this case it's ordinary people doing the violent protesting, when you don't punch up you don't have to reach as hard.
But let's make one thing clear: the country cannot be unified under Trump. It needs to be divided. Unification under Comrade Cheeto means either supporting or at least "living with" his bullshit Executive Orders and horse's ass of an ideology. You unify with your fellow citizens (and non-citizens!) against the forces that seek to drive you apart. If there's a peaceful status-quo under Trump, we've already lost. Plain and simple.
So fuck the Boston Tea Party and the Revolutionary War that soon followed, right?
Not that we're a bunch of anarchists just chomping at the bit to fuck shit up, but the amount of vapid "all violence is 100% unjustified" hand-wringing is not only grossly misinformed and naïve, it's also completely ignorant of history.
Think of any major turning point in a country's history especially in regards with social justice movements, and there's going to be violence associated with it. It's just the way it is.
But let's make one thing clear: the country cannot be unified under Trump. It needs to be divided. Unification under Comrade Cheeto means either supporting or at least "living with" his bullshit Executive Orders and horse's ass of an ideology. You unify with your fellow citizens (and non-citizens!) against the forces that seek to drive you apart. If there's a peaceful status-quo under Trump, we've already lost. Plain and simple.
So fuck the Boston Tea Party and the Revolutionary War that soon followed, right?
Not that we're a bunch of anarchists just chomping at the bit to fuck shit up, but the amount of vapid "all violence is 100% unjustified" hand-wringing is not only grossly misinformed and naïve, it's also completely ignorant of history.
Think of any major turning point in a country's history especially in regards with social justice movements, and there's going to be violence associated with it. It's just the way it is.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Coffee Dog
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How isn't this left leaning as opposed to anarchy? Talking about going frog hunting (ie beating up alt righters) and telling everyone to ignore moderate liberals calling for nonviolence.
They just sound like leftists who aren't tolerating fence sitters and nazis anymore.
ultratruman
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He didn't...but he understood.
MLK sympathised with the struggle and oppression of the voiceless. He wanted to focus his criticism on the cause of the riots. So do I, so do we all.
However, you are trying to twist this into saying MLK believed that violent riots are effective and morally justified, which he never did and which he was careful not to let opponents of the civil rights movement pin on him.
He must have meant to use the word "oppressed" right? Either that or he was literally saying they need to strap on some bootstraps.
Gordon Shumway
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Honkey Luther King back, y'all..
As a rabblerouser that has been going to various protests for a decade.
The Black Bloc anarchists are a thing and it would be really hard to see if they were legit or plants. I would side on them being real ones.
Not sure where I fit on this one on one hand I would probably take a swing at him in public. On the other there is no need to burn things.
The Black Bloc anarchists are a thing and it would be really hard to see if they were legit or plants. I would side on them being real ones.
Not sure where I fit on this one on one hand I would probably take a swing at him in public. On the other there is no need to burn things.
EatinOlives
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This was, after all, his ultimate dream: for him to become immortalized as the Model Minority Jesus so that finger-wagging moderates can shove his face into every conversation about civil rights and tell the oppressed how they "should" behave.
Good and Just people must be ready to stand up for what is right and if it comes to it take up arms when the oppressors or those who seek to oppress make their moves.
This is not just a case of differing opinions that can be remedied by letting nature take its course or ignoring it. These people advocate for the complete Eradication of Human lives because they do not meet their standards of what is acceptable.
No one wants violence to be a necessity. The Colonists repeatedly tried to talk common sense to the British Crown and were brushed off as less than citizens who did not deserve all the proper rights. So it came to a point where violence was the answer.
If You have people whose "differing opinion" is Genocide there is no middle ground to try and talk it out. There is Resistance to those beliefs and whatever it takes to prevent those beliefs from being acceptable.
This is not just a case of differing opinions that can be remedied by letting nature take its course or ignoring it. These people advocate for the complete Eradication of Human lives because they do not meet their standards of what is acceptable.
No one wants violence to be a necessity. The Colonists repeatedly tried to talk common sense to the British Crown and were brushed off as less than citizens who did not deserve all the proper rights. So it came to a point where violence was the answer.
If You have people whose "differing opinion" is Genocide there is no middle ground to try and talk it out. There is Resistance to those beliefs and whatever it takes to prevent those beliefs from being acceptable.
You make it sound as if Anarchists aren't Socialists.
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He was acknowledging that there's an ideological difference between him and his peers on how to handle the issues they were facing, but that it's more important to continue to focus on what they're fighting against instead of wagging your finger at your allies for "doing it wrong" like you are.
While moderates and conservatives are quick to lecture protesters on how best to make it comfortable for fascists, the state is enacting laws that allow to drive over and kill protesters, and Trump supporters have shot 7 people between inauguration and the end of the month, and that's not counting all the hate crimes.
Gordon Shumway
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LucidMomentum
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http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9658-violence-is-the-last-refuge-of-the-incompetent
It's a quote from an Asimov novel.
Wait.. Shouldn't it be the first refuge? Like, if you're incompetent you'd jump to violence far quicker. If you're choosing violence as a last option you can't be that incompetent.
Thanks.
I don't like it though because it seems to imply to me, that the oppressed just didn't try hard enough and therefore it's somehow their fault if things get so bad that violence is the last resort. How about focusing instead on the people that keep oppressing?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Yes, and I still think that poster thought he was super clever for using it.
LucidMomentum
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In the novel it was used by a character who was an interstellar merchant who couldn't of course start wars so he had to think his way out of situations.
In the context of the book it worked well, but it became one of Asimov's favorite quotes. Outside the novel it kind of falls apart once it's taken at face value.
Palette Swap
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To be fair, the violence quote does apply to Trump, he ran his whole campaign on threats and violent promises, he's the silent majority punching back.
Im only speaking to those who rioted hence why I specifically mentioned that. Taking that he was given the platform I would fully support protesting him just not via riots. Rioting can spill over quickly and it paints the actual message of protest in a negative light.
The escalation to violence by the founding fathers was a very slow, deliberate, and measured process. They were well organized and had a central base of opposition. Moreover, they purposefully did everything they could to avoid conflict. The war happened when they petitioned G3 for redress of grievances and his pithy ressponse amounted to "Shut up, or I will send the troops and kill you." Thereafter the British marched on Lexington to seize our guns.
It's bananas to appeal to them as justification of our "violent origins" in the context I've seen here. But then, few people even recognized the Asimov quote, which is another tragedy altogether.
It's bananas to appeal to them as justification of our "violent origins" in the context I've seen here. But then, few people even recognized the Asimov quote, which is another tragedy altogether.
Dr. Benton Quest
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"You know guys, I don't think beating up the people who want to exterminate other races is cool. Makes us just like them you know?"
Nazis should be afraid to go outside.
Nazis should be afraid to go outside.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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"You know guys, I don't think beating up the people who want to exterminate other races in cool. Makes us just like them you know?"
Nazis should be afraid to go outside.
This will be an extremely useful image in the days ahead
Snowybreak
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"You know guys, I don't think beating up the people who want to exterminate other races in cool. Makes us just like them you know?"
Nazis should be afraid to go outside.
Know what? Let's make them afraid. Make it known that if you're gonna be a fuckin Nazi piece of shit, you better be fucking afraid of every black person, gay person, trans person, Jewish person or Muslim person that you pass on the street.
This. If these fascists are met with pacifistic resistance they'll be marching in the streets before you know it. Make them afraid to assemble and espouse their nazi beliefs.
*sigh* games industry people are showing their ass throughout this thing:
"I have no idea who this Milo guy is but I'm going to give my opinion anyway."
Snowybreak
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*sigh* games industry people are showing their ass throughout this thing:
Oh for fucks sake... And I was gonna buy The Witness. Well great, I'll just get Talos Principle instead.
*sigh* games industry people are showing their ass throughout this thing:
Example #329465203746 why white supremacy can't be beaten. Always enough white people willing to throw themselves on the pyre to protect it.
Dr. Benton Quest
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I know I'm quoting myself here but damn.
*sigh* games industry people are showing their ass throughout this thing:
And? It still sucks shit in this context.
tearsintherain
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So people who want to listen to Milo talk are now nazi's and want to exterminate other races? Its ok to punch anyone who says they voted for Trump?
Is the reverse true then too? Are Trump voters supposed to punch anyone who didn't vote for Trump?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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No but honestly: why the fuck would you want to listen to Milo
kame-sennin
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Dude, read a book.
The successful defeat of Nazi sympathizer Oswald Mosley's march through the East End, known as the Battle of Cable Street, is being commemorated this year by marches, talks and other events in this corner of London. The anniversary is being recognized at a timely moment, after Britain has endured a summer of increased hate crime reports following the EU referendum in Britain, and charges of an anti-Semitism problem in the opposition Labour Party. Coming also as far-right parties are gaining in electoral successes across Europe, it's a good time to re-examine the forces behind the Battle of Cable Street.
”Among the impoverished workers of the East End, the British Union of Fascists (BUF) built their movement in a horseshoe shape around the Jewish community," says author and historian David Rosenberg, whose relatives owned a stationery shop on Cable Street at the time. Throughout the mid 1930s, the BUF moved closer towards Hitler's form of fascism with Mosley himself saying that ”fascism can and will win Britain". The British fascists also took on a more vehemently anti-Semitic stance, describing Jews as ”rats and vermin from the gutter of Whitechapel".
On Sunday Oct. 4, 1936, Mosley led his Blackshirt supporters on a march through the East End, following months of BUF meetings and leafleting in the area designed to intimidate Jewish people and break up the East End's community solidarity. Despite a petition signed by 100,000 people, the British government permitted the march to go ahead and designated 7,000 members of the police force to accompany it. The counter-protest from the Cable Street community involved members from the Jewish and Irish communities, local workers and local Labor and Communist parties, who succeeded in disbanding the BUF march.
”Among the impoverished workers of the East End, the British Union of Fascists (BUF) built their movement in a horseshoe shape around the Jewish community," says author and historian David Rosenberg, whose relatives owned a stationery shop on Cable Street at the time. Throughout the mid 1930s, the BUF moved closer towards Hitler's form of fascism with Mosley himself saying that ”fascism can and will win Britain". The British fascists also took on a more vehemently anti-Semitic stance, describing Jews as ”rats and vermin from the gutter of Whitechapel".
On Sunday Oct. 4, 1936, Mosley led his Blackshirt supporters on a march through the East End, following months of BUF meetings and leafleting in the area designed to intimidate Jewish people and break up the East End's community solidarity. Despite a petition signed by 100,000 people, the British government permitted the march to go ahead and designated 7,000 members of the police force to accompany it. The counter-protest from the Cable Street community involved members from the Jewish and Irish communities, local workers and local Labor and Communist parties, who succeeded in disbanding the BUF march.
http://time.com/4516276/cable-street-battle-london-east-end-80-years/
People in this thread have no idea what anarchists are.
Yes.
1. Why else would they want to listen to Milo live otherwise? Transcripts are a thing.
2. If you hadn't noticed they're already doing this months ago? We're just finally joining them on the playing field.
Karsticles
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Against the stupid, force is the proper recourse.
I wonder if anyone can find the...source!
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