Missouri School District UNANIMOUSLY bans Slaughterhouse Five

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PsychoRaven said:
Not a fan of censorship. I firmly believe that everyone on that board should have actually read the damn books before they voted. If you haven't read it then you have no business deciding if it's appropriate or not.


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lawblob said:
I wonder if on the other end of the spectrum, some overly-liberal school districts in Berkeley are having high school students read Naked Lunch.

I read Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood for the first time by picking it off a list of acceptable books to write reports on in high school. Compared to O'Connor, Vonnegut's work is shiny, happy, and puritan.

What I find strangest about these cases is that none of the people making the decisions seem to know anything about the books that are being taught. There's nothing in Slaughterhouse-Five that approaches some of the casual horrors you'll find in the Southern Gothic writers, which used to be heavily taught down here.

If they had any idea what they were actually allowing, they'd beg kids to read Slaughterhouse-Five.
 
UltimaPooh said:
Missouri people quit embarrassing me!

Yup.

"...where they use their condoms to have sex."

Did this actually come out of someone's mouth? You could have all kinds of grammatical fun with this one. They used condoms to have sex, and not their genitalia? How does that work?
 
Sharp said:
That's not why they banned it, they hadn't even read it.
I know. Doesn't mean it won't have the effect I mentioned.

But I do so love the dichotomy of needing to understand how to destroy human beings, provided there is no naughty language.
 
Why would they consider 20 Boy Summer in the first place for their curriculum, it sounds terrible and without literary merit compared to something like Vonnegut. Slaughterhouse 5 is absurd as well, hell the cursing is mild compared to what our vocabularies were at the time we read it.

But I suppose reading the book before deciding on banning it makes too much sense.
 
Wait... what exactly is wrong with Slaughterhouse Five? I read that in high school and it was totally fine. I... I am outraged, but I don't have anything to else to say. They are terrible people, those who ban books.
 
besada said:
I read Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood for the first time by picking it off a list of acceptable books to write reports on in high school. Compared to O'Connor, Vonnegut's work is shiny, happy, and puritan.

What I find strangest about these cases is that none of the people making the decisions seem to know anything about the books that are being taught. There's nothing in Slaughterhouse-Five that approaches some of the casual horrors you'll find in the Southern Gothic writers, which used to be heavily taught down here.

If they had any idea what they were actually allowing, they'd beg kids to read Slaughterhouse-Five.

I think that's what is most infuriating, the laziness of a governing body like this deciding wholesale what is acceptable and not, without any context of what they are doing, because none of them could even be bothered to read through a short book like Slaughterhouse to divine any deeper meaning than some bullet point summary probably produced by some evangelical church and posted on the internet, if I had to guess...
 
SciencePilot said:
Wait... what exactly is wrong with Slaughterhouse Five? I read that in high school and it was totally fine. I... I am outraged, but I don't have anything to else to say. They are terrible people, those who ban books.

There are some sexy scenes in the book. Nothing crazy or drawn out. Also there is the firebombing of Dresden which set the whole city ablaze. That particular aspect of WWII doesn't really paint the Allies in the best possible light.

Revisionist history at work, maybe. Like what happened in 1984.
 
Dyno said:
There are some sexy scenes in the book. Nothing crazy or drawn out. Also there is the firebombing of Dresden which set the whole city ablaze. That particular aspect of WWII doesn't really paint the Allies in the best possible light.

Revisionist history at work, maybe. Like what happened in 1984.

Well, really, what didn't we bomb during WW2?
 
DMczaf said:
Looking up Twenty Boy Summer...

I had to stop there.

Pretty much. They use it in high-school English classes?
 
SciencePilot said:
Wait... what exactly is wrong with Slaughterhouse Five? I read that in high school and it was totally fine. I... I am outraged, but I don't have anything to else to say. They are terrible people, those who ban books.

I have a feeling it might be the large illustration of a womans breasts.
 
lawblob said:
I think that's what is most infuriating, the laziness of a governing body like this deciding wholesale what is acceptable and not, without any context of what they are doing, because none of them could even be bothered to read through a short book like Slaughterhouse to divine any deeper meaning than some bullet point summary probably produced by some evangelical church and posted on the internet, if I had to guess...

And I promise that I could stroll through their library and pick out a dozen books they'd find more offensive if they read them. The Western Canon is full of books with really troubling themes and scenes (as it should be) and yet Vonnegut, in part because he's so readable and popular with young people, gets an enormous share of these attacks on literature.

As Chichikov upthread pointed out, if you want really heinous scenes of murder, rape, and incest, you can always rely on the Bible. Just once I'd like to see a school district ban it.
 
Fuck that one was actually interesting. Can someone just get around to banning the melodramatic piece of shit that is Ethan Frome. That made me want to put novels down for a long time.
 
That's not even the raciest Kurt Vonnegut book, not by a long shot; let's find out if Slapstick is still in there and tell them about the neanderthal incest (or something like that, been a long time since I read it).
 
dave is ok said:
There is sex in The Scarlet Letter, and violence in In Cold Blood and The Stranger. Better ban those too
The Color Purple had lesbian sex.
The Once and Future King endorsed adultery.
The Good Earth has whores and opium.
Mythology has incest and patricide.
Lord of the Flies... lol.

The list goes on and on.
 
dave is ok said:
There is sex in The Scarlet Letter, and violence in In Cold Blood and The Stranger. Better ban those too
No reason to go that far, the Good Old Bible is a stupendous compedium of savagery, incest, enslavery, genocide and rape.

Edit: Either I'm one unoriginal fuck or it is true that great minds think alike. I prefer the latter.
 
Devolution said:
Fuck that one was actually interesting. Can someone just get around to banning the melodramatic piece of shit that is Ethan Frome. That made me want to put novels down for a long time.

And Ethan Frome has young people engaging in a suicide pact, which seems considerably more harmful for teenagers than reading about people fucking.
 
SmokyDave said:
Jeez, what more do you want from these people, integrity and basic common sense?

Yes yes damn it. I want some common sense back in the world. It's so goddamn rare now that it should be a fucking superpower.
 
besada said:
And I promise that I could stroll through their library and pick out a dozen books they'd find more offensive if they read them. The Western Canon is full of books with really troubling themes and scenes (as it should be) and yet Vonnegut, in part because he's so readable and popular with young people, gets an enormous share of these attacks on literature.

As Chichikov upthread pointed out, if you want really heinous scenes of murder, rape, and incest, you can always rely on the Bible. Just once I'd like to see a school district ban it.

Im' pretty sure the story of God striking Onin dead for ejaculating on the floor of his hut is just an allegory for the dangers of gay marriage, or something...
 
besada said:
And Ethan Frome has young people engaging in a suicide pact, which seems considerably more harmful for teenagers than reading about people fucking.

I forgot about that but you're right. Ugh. Just another reason to get rid of that piece of shit. Never have I felt so offended by a novel, I swear. Get it in school, considered a classic, read it and I'm just like "what the fuck is this?"
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
That's not even the raciest Kurt Vonnegut book, not by a long shot; let's find out if Slapstick is still in there and tell them about the neanderthal incest (or something like that, been a long time since I read it).

Or Galapagos, which has hand-delivered semen transfer from an old uterus to very young ones.

Oh, and evolution. Lots and lots of evolution.
 
Devolution said:
I forgot about that but you're right. Ugh. Just another reason to get rid of that piece of shit. Never have I felt so offended by a novel, I swear. Get it in school, considered a classic, read it and I'm just like "what the fuck is this?"

For me it was Return of the Native by Thomas Hardy. I finished it and realized I'd been tricked into reading a shitty soap opera. I didn't discover until years later that the happy ending had been tacked on to appease readers, which didn't improve my opinion of Hardy.
 
That one quote makes it obvious that the person driving this ban has never had sex, or at least condoms seem like some alien device to him. Seems like he thinks they are something akin to dildos/strap-ons or something...
 
As someone who grew up in St Louis, it's always depressing to see the shitheel rural morons make the state a laughingstock. But the head of the school board hilariously raises the bar for stupid comments when discussing the case. He first said: “We very clearly stayed out of discussion about moral issues. Our discussions from the get-go were age-appropriateness,” followed a little later by “I just don’t think it’s a good book. I don’t think it’s consistent with these standards and the kind of message that we want to send,” he said. “…If the book had ended on a different note, I might have thought differently.” Yes, clearly you stayed out of moral issue territory, fucktard.
 
Aselith said:
I find this to be an incredibly charming choice of words. The only way to make it better would be to add a "the" before sex.
Folks in Missourah can only be expected to speak at a certain level.
 
Kuro Madoushi said:
Romeo and Juliet has underaged premarital unprotected sex though! D:

Shakespeare's allowed to be perverted though. He can have murder and patricide and regicide and whatever the hell he wants.
 
Embarrassing.

DeathNote said:
How about you use the Missouri flag?
So generalize all of Missouri instead? This little hick town doesn't represent all of Missouri, it represents itself.
 
A person shouldn't even be allowed to vote unless they've read the novels in question. Public education is fucking garbage in this country.
 
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