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MIT researchers: If things continue this way, "Global economic collapse" by 2030
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Except humans are very generally quite stupid and unable to see beyond their immediate actions. The 2005 book Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive underlines this chillingly. There's lots of these vanished societies where people utterly destroyed themselves by not limiting their growth. You can't trust common sense or last-minute rescues.
Because the current system is actually working, it just has some bumps in the road that need to be worked out.
Harry Dresden
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Nothing inspires the human race to do amazing things better than approaching zero hour.
HarryHengst
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I dont think the problem is fear for GM food, but companies like Monsanto. As long as such companies can exist i too really do not like GM food.
There is a big distrust for GM food though. I doubt most people would know what Monsanto even is, but many of them would still be put off by the idea or principle of GM food.
Anecdotal, but I heard more arguments against GM food in my college bio classes than arguments for it. There's fear about ingesting something perceived as artificial, and a fear that "super crops" would wipe out existing crops and grow uncontrollably.
Tesseract
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the part where they gathers data and do such and so forth to forecast an event. it's nonsense. it's intimidation by so-called experts in a field without laws. they ride the coattails of real scientists. they and everyone like them (social scientists) bring great shame to the scientific community.
Rubbish King
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Global economic collapse by 2030 predicted? thats not really a bump, more a rather large mound
Onstage at TED2012, Peter Diamandis makes a case for optimism -- that we'll invent, innovate and create ways to solve the challenges that loom over us. "I'm not saying we don't have our set of problems; we surely do. But ultimately, we knock them down."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BltRufe5kkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BltRufe5kkI
David Incorporated Esq.
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Lighten up, folks. Is the Caldari State really that bad as a model for governance?
Of course. Personally, I'm rooting for nuclear, and perhaps one day fusion, as the main workhorse for our energy supply, with renewables filling in the gaps. I'd also love to see us make more progress on tidal, thermal-solar, and artificial geothermal power for the grid, and hydrogen fuel cells and ethanol from cellulose for transportation.
The solutions are definitely out there, we just need a fire lit under or collective asses to make it all work. If fossil fuel prices get high enough, expect people in high places to party more and more attention to this stuff.
razgriz417
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Pretty sure there was a thread about this video, but its completely relevant here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umFnrvcS6AQ&feature=watch_response It's long so if you're only interested in Energy, start ~ 49:00
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Looking-Back-on-the-Limits-of-Growth.html#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umFnrvcS6AQ&feature=watch_response It's long so if you're only interested in Energy, start ~ 49:00
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Looking-Back-on-the-Limits-of-Growth.html#
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Time to ball so hard until the bottom falls out.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Wait, so a controversial study ends up with the same results/model as a previous controversial study that it was based on, and that's a "warning bell"?
See, shit like that is part of why people tend not to give much regard to studies like this.
See, shit like that is part of why people tend not to give much regard to studies like this.
Dahellisdat
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Better get to work on finishing my apocalypse scenario kit.
Someone is going to make a profit off of GM foods, but with proper regulation and oversight companies like Monsanto can make a tidy profit while still providing safe and effective product.
shinobi602
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You don't even need a study, just common sense to see that the global economy and the direction the world is going today is fucked and we're headed towards a mountain pile of shit.
We've been going this way for the past few decades and no one is doing a damn thing about it.
Fixed that for you.
I'm taking a geography class that covers environmental issues, geopolitics, globalization, population demographics, world agriculture and production, human geography/culture and even some rough global history. My professor works with the local and national governments for Texas/U.S. and England.
After taking this class, there's no way shit isn't going to boil within 20 years. Basket cases in Europe, Africa, and Asia, with their exploding populations, terrible history, and turbulent economies are going to bring the world down with them.
Haiti's TFR is at a stable 4.7 and Niger's is at 7.5, isn't it? Good grief, our generation is in for a world of hurt.
And man, if Greece goes down...all the PIIGS will go down...
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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We only change when we have to. Human ingenuity will rise to the challenge, it always does. Nothing to worry about.
I'm glad you're an expert on the global economy after taking a class.
I'll direct all my specific questions to you from now on.
Regardless of this study, I'm not sure if "it'll work itself out" is the best approach to take.
Tesseract
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this times infinity. we rise to master every challenge.
We're such procrastinators. "Ehhhh, global collapse? I'll get on that tomorrow."
teruterubozu
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Religion: End times is near
Science: End times is near
Kooks: End Times is near
Let's party.
Science: End times is near
Kooks: End Times is near
Let's party.
I do trust in human ingenuity, but a reactionary approach to this idea would lead to bad news for some people I think.
There are genuine economic incentives for governments and companies to research and develop green technology so it's going to happen.
MightyHedgehog
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Probably open war among the classical first world and second world before that, so a WW or similar, with sides being drawn by multiple nations. Resources are tight and tightening without a massive change to our direction of consumption. I hate that it's basically inevitable, but it should make people aware of what they do take for granted now.
I'm not an expert but it's been an enlightening class on what's going on in the world and my professor is incredible. Right now there are a few important issues going on that could trip the global economy fairly quickly, considering the way things are headed. I'm just gonna say I was fairly ignorant about any and all of this until I took this class; it makes me want to take more classes on it.
I mean, there's plenty of things that signal a bright economic future for places like the EU, like Britain's march towards a new stage in deindustrialization, but other factors like Greece and the PIIGS could take it down quickly if their economies collapse. It could go either way, but I wouldn't be surprised if stuff got crazy in 20 years.
shinobi602
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When many of these "changes" occurred in history, a lot of people fucking died bro.
el retorno
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That's exactly what it is. That is 18 years from now and I love how it states based on current patterns like they won't change. 18 years ago the Internet was in its infancy, not many people owned cell phones. Things are changing even faster now. This won't happen. Though what will happen is there will be predictions like this in 2030
ThoseDeafMutes
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WeAreStarStuff
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I was a finance and economics double major in undergrad. I remember after taking my first few economic classes I thought I had it all figured out ..in reality I was just regurgitating theory from someone that was regurgitating theory from someone else.
razgriz417
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Yea I'm expecting this as well. This will probably be the biggest reason why global population drops.
I agree to a point. I don't subscribe to the "worst case" mentality, but I also disagree with the idea of accepting that success is an inevitability. There's another thread on the first page right now about internships and how unpaid positions exist to exploit workers. I see a connection between this thread and that one. "We'll make it" or "things will get better" is a concept everyone wants to hold, but you can't put blinders on and focus on just that or nothing will improve. Foresight is just as important as confidence is.
replicashooter
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I can understand that, what I can't understand is who is it in debt to? Who owns the pinkslips to everyones souls?
Escape Goat
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werent we also supposed to have run out of oil back in the 90s?
WeAreStarStuff
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It's good to be king.
Dreams-Visions
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We will invent solutions to problems. We always do.
Keep the doom and gloom.
Keep the doom and gloom.
shinobi602
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We've been going down this road for a few decades now, no one's doing anything to stop the snowball. I don't see something drastically changing that in the next decade.
Malthusian predictions have been wrong for CENTURIES.
It's great that you want to take more classes and you should, but don't expect to know anything about how complex the global economy is from one 3cr course. I would be extremely surprised if anything like a global population and economic collapse happened in 18 years.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
I know I don't have it all figured out...but everything I've learned has been backed up with demographics and statistics and research that he has shown us, and my professor recommends us academic sources to check out (and plenty of his own authored books as well) if we want to know more about the subject at the end of every lecture.
Anyway, I'm not here to convince people that I'm an expert on global economies or that my class was anything but an introduction to those issues, but it was a wildly fascinating class and I have an A in it and it's given me an interest in these issues.
And there's a good chance that my professor would lean towards thinking that a global economic collapse won't actually happen in 20 years (but could). He's just presented us with some interesting problems that our generation will have to figure out if we want to avoid things like global economic problems. Hopefully we will work to do that.
ThoseDeafMutes
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The planet Earth has a carrying capacity, so they have to be right eventually!
More Fun To Compute
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Well personally I think that economic growth can go on in an unlimited way forever because it would be convenient if it did and I hate inconvenience.
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