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Mixed Martial Arts -- anyone into it here?

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Asbel

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Waychel said:
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Genki~! I wonder who he will be fighting? Do you think they are lined up with who their opponent would be? I still think it would be so cool to see Genki against Norifumi.

BTW, who is this Caol Uno guy?
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Won't know the fight order for awhile. Uno is a warrior. He just had a war with Hansen (top 3 LW) in the last Hero card. I had the fight on NLB2's Hero's link but it seems I deleted the event. He may still have it.

I forgot I had the Choi HL and I forgot how hilarious it was.
http://rapidshare.de/files/1882244/Choi_HL_K-1_Seoul2005.wmv.htm
Guess you missed the Fedor Fishdance courtesy of Fujita.
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Meh, Fedor owned him quickly after that.
 
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I take it you pay attention to the Shooto scene EviLore? So who's you're favorite to take the tourny, Gomi or Kawajiri or someone else
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Well I'm far from a Shooto expert; for example I've only seen kawajiri fight once or twice. So it's hard for me to say really. Gomi has impressed me in the Pride Bushido events & Shooto, though (where I've seen a majority of his matches, having taken an interest). Taking out Jens in an extended standup-oriented match definitely says something, and yeah, I'll be rooting for him to take it, but I can't say who I think will win.




As for Fedor doing his dance, he recovered quickly from a full-on fujita shot on the chin, and something like a minute later he pretty much knocked fujita out and sealed the deal with a choke (you don't take chances with a guy who's known for having an iron head). Fedor hardly loses his cyborg qualification thanks to that ;b
 
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I've been an MMA fan since my friend ordered UFC 40 a few years ago. I'm mainly a UFC fan, but I've recenetly been getting into Pride FC, K-1, and other crap. Plus, downloading a lot of crap. Other than random matches, the only Pride stuff I've seen was Total Elimination. Ordered it 3 or 4 weeks back.

Anywho, my favorite fighters are as follows: Bas Rutten, CroCop, Sakuraba, Liddell, and Sherk.

I haven't seen much talk about any UFC stuff, you guys aren't fans?

And what about Silva vs. Liddell. Everyone seems to think Silva would handle him easily, but I think it'd be a good fight. :\
 
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Blinky said:
I've been an MMA fan since my friend ordered UFC 40 a few years ago. I'm mainly a UFC fan, but I've recenetly been getting into Pride FC, K-1, and other crap. Plus, downloading a lot of crap. Other than random matches, the only Pride stuff I've seen was Total Elimination. Ordered it 3 or 4 weeks back.

Anywho, my favorite fighters are as follows: Bas Rutten, CroCop, Sakuraba, Liddell, and Sherk.

I haven't seen much talk about any UFC stuff, you guys aren't fans?

And what about Silva vs. Liddell. Everyone seems to think Silva would handle him easily, but I think it'd be a good fight. :\
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Well, Waychel has an Asian man fetish, so that's why she's mainly talking about Pride ;P

I'm as much a UFC fan as I am a Pride fan, as I make a note to make preview threads for every UFC event too, it just seems that there's usually more happening in Pride to talk about. The next UFC event is merely average, imo. Arlovski will run through Eilers. The only great matchup is Franklin/Tanner, which should be a great fight. I'm thinking Franklin takes it, like he did the first time they met.
 
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I'm a fan of the fighters, doesn't matter much where they fight to me to a degree. I would like to see more cross company matches as we've only got a taste of it with Ricco/Nog and Rampage/Liddell. You must have missed our TUF threads as those were all UFC. They will surely start again with the next season. As for Silva/Liddell, people are just playing favorites. The only safe bet on the outcome of that fight is that it would be a war.
 
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I don't know, UFC 53 should be pretty interesting. I was a pretty big TUF fan, so I'm interested in seeing the Carter/Quarry outcome. Especially since the only time I've seen Quarry fight was a boring, shitty ass decision losst to Ximu. Griffen/Mahood should be good too. I honestly, have not paid much attention to Heavyweights, so I dont know much about them.

But, as you said, Franklin/Tanner is the real star of the show. I pick Tanner, I know Franklin is really good, and beat him before. But a lot of people arent giving Tanner enough credit. Especially at the TUF forum. Everyone is like "omgz he nokked out shamrock!1! he cud b34t every1". They obviously have no clue who Tanner is.

And more TUF speculation...When Leben debuts (it's gonna happen, love him or hate him) at UFC, who should he fight? Even though there is a weightclass difference, Leben/Lawler would be insane.

On the Pride front. I'm just dissapointed with the Rampage fight. I was really hyped to see him fight and THAT happened.

Also, I downloaded a Mezger vs. Silva highlight reel, it was f'n awesome, apart from the music being "Bawitdabaw" by Kid Rock.
 
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Naw, Ring > Cage.

The Cage equals wrestlers grinding people into the cage. The ring is a far more neutral arena. The only downside is the stops in the action when Pride drags people back to the centre. I do think they're too quick on that most of the time.
 
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The benefit of a cage is that it's easier to ref...people don't fall out or get tied up in it.



The WVTC and other Vale Tudo stuff used rings, and it's plain to see that they struggled for a long time to figure out how to counteract people falling out underneath or whatever without stepping in and interfering with the action. Meca Vale Tudo IIRC used a net at the bottom and people got tangled even worse instead of falling out.

Pancrase, back in the open hand & silly boots days would restart back standing if fighters touched the ropes at all on the ground. Watching Bas's fight career he plainly had submissions sunk in but the ref would restart them standing without counting a lost point for his opponents, when they were up against the ropes.

Shooto, well, older-school shooto was a lot more standup-oriented so I don't recall much issue with the ring format. Nowadays they handle it similarly to Pride.


Anyway, it's plain to see that a ring needs good referee interaction to work well, but if that's available then I vastly prefer it to the cage. Giving takedown + L&P wrestlers the advantage is not something I really care for ;b
 
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EviLore said:
The benefit of a cage is that it's easier to ref...people don't fall out or get tied up in it.



The WVTC and other Vale Tudo stuff used rings, and it's plain to see that they struggled for a long time to figure out how to counteract people falling out underneath or whatever without stepping in and interfering with the action. Meca Vale Tudo IIRC used a net at the bottom and people got tangled even worse instead of falling out.

Pancrase, back in the open hand & silly boots days would restart back standing if fighters touched the ropes at all on the ground. Watching Bas's fight career he plainly had submissions sunk in but the ref would restart them standing without counting a lost point for his opponents, when they were up against the ropes.

Shooto, well, older-school shooto was a lot more standup-oriented so I don't recall much issue with the ring format. Nowadays they handle it similarly to Pride.


Anyway, it's plain to see that a ring needs good referee interaction to work well, but if that's available then I vastly prefer it to the cage. Giving takedown + L&P wrestlers the advantage is not something I really care for ;b
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Old Pancrase also had rope-breaks.

I don't see anything wrong with restarting the fight. That's a lot more neutral then a cage where that gives an advantage to wrestlers. Hell they make a strategy out of pinning opponents to cage. It clearly interferes more in a fight then a ring. Plus cage makes it look like a low-class barbaric spectacle. Not an image I like for MMA at all.
 
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I don't know, UFC 53 should be pretty interesting. I was a pretty big TUF fan, so I'm interested in seeing the Carter/Quarry outcome. Especially since the only time I've seen Quarry fight was a boring, shitty ass decision losst to Ximu. Griffen/Mahood should be good too. I honestly, have not paid much attention to Heavyweights, so I dont know much about them.
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Yeah, it could be very exciting, it's just not talent packed. People want both from shows like Pride and UFC.
And more TUF speculation...When Leben debuts (it's gonna happen, love him or hate him) at UFC, who should he fight? Even though there is a weightclass difference, Leben/Lawler would be insane.
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I thought they're both middleweights? Lawler is fighting Cote soon at middleweight.

I agree with Boogie and EviLore's points about the cage vs ring. I want as little ref interference in a fight as possible though. Also, the fighter on top usually seems bothered by restarts to me. I'm hoping non-wrestlers will soon learn enough defense against the cage where wrestlers would really have to work for that advantage (things like circling around like Chuck or push off it when on the ground like Diego vs Koschek). I wouldn't say the cage is interfering with the fight. That's like saying the ring corner interfere's with a boxing match because a boxer gets trapped there. It's part of the fight if you're going to fight there.
 
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Blinky said:
Lawler was at Welterweight a few months back. Must've went up.
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Was he? He fought Tanner at middleweight back in UFC 50. Even slammed Tanner.

And yeah, Leben/Lawler sounds like a good match to me.
 
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UFC 47 he was WelterWeight.

So, who are you guy's picks for Critical Countdown?

Wanderlei Silva (Brazil) vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (Japan) - Silva, unfortunately. I hope Nakamura wins though.

Kazushi Sakuraba (Japan) vs. Ricardo Arona (Brazil) - Raba is gonna rape him.

Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (Brazil) vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (Brazil) - This should probably be the best fight. I pick Nogueira on instinct though.

Igor Vovchanchyn (Ukraine) vs. Alistair Overeem (Holland) - Good fight in the making. I honestly dont care though, because I dont particularly like either of these guys,
 
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Blinky said:
UFC 47 he was WelterWeight.

So, who are you guy's picks for Critical Countdown?

Wanderlei Silva (Brazil) vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (Japan) - Silva, unfortunately. I hope Nakamura wins though.

Kazushi Sakuraba (Japan) vs. Ricardo Arona (Brazil) - Raba is gonna rape him.

Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (Brazil) vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (Brazil) - This should probably be the best fight. I pick Nogueira on instinct though.

Igor Vovchanchyn (Ukraine) vs. Alistair Overeem (Holland) - Good fight in the making. I honestly dont care though, because I dont particularly like either of these guys,
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And at UFC 50 he was at Middleweight.

Pride GP:

Silva "Unfortunately"? What do you mean, "unfortunately"? How on Earth can anyone not be a fan of Silva?!

I think Sakuraba has a small chance at upsetting....aww, who am I kidding, Arona by boring decision.

I'm picking Shogun over Nogueira, and Igor over Overeem, if he can overcome the reach advantage.
 
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I'd have to rewatch the fight (something I cant do) to make any sort of compelling arguement, but last time I watched it. I thought Yoshida eeked it out by a bit.
 
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Here are my thoughts on the second round of the MW tourney from another board:

I'm really liking this lineup so far. Shogun/Nogueira in particular should be a whole lot of fun. On paper, I think you have to give the edge to Nog but anything can happen in a match with a Chute Boxe guy.

At first glance, I thought Arona would be a tough opponent for Sakuraba. After some consideration, though, I think this is probably the best matchup for him from a style standpoint. Sak seems to do much better against deliberate fighters instead of aggressive ones. Arona is more powerful and better at control though so I wouldn't be surprised to see him eke out a decision win. Really though, I expect Sak to try to keep it standing and out-strike him.

Overeem/Vovchanchyn is pretty interesting as well. They're both top strikers with incredibly different overall styles. Generally, Overeem is more of a rangy striker which leaves him susceptible to counter punches. For me, the real question is who will attempt to go to the ground first. I'd lean towards Overeem but Igor's last fight has me thinking otherwise. Hopefully, they're both content to stand.

Silva should walk through Nakamura. Basically, I think it comes down to the strength of Nakamura's chin. Can he weather the inevitable storm before getting a takedown? I doubt it but you never know.

Overall, a fine start to this show. I'm still upset about Cro-Cop and Fedor though.
 
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Good thread!! I practice Muay Thai and western boxing and I don't even try to keep up with this stuff. My level is mostly recreational now. I could still compete but I just don't have the time or enthusiasm, I guess when you get older your priorites shift. I do it to keep in shape and maintian my fighting abilities. I'm done fighting I'm 35 and just don't liked getting banged up anymore. And explaining it to my passive co-workers in meetings when I have bruises and such. Now I know how Ed Norton's character felt in Fight Club. :lol

I used to pay attention to UFC and Pride, but I haven't watched a match in som etime (been at least 6 or seven years). So this thread is proving to be very educational for me, and it's helping me get up to speed on what's going on in the MMA scene. Just wanted to say thanks and keep posting movies clips. anybody know where I can download some clips to review in my spare time?
 
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Bushido 7.... ZOMG.


If anyone had complaints about TE 2005 round 1, then DON'T WORRY ;b

Damn.
 
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EviLore said:
Bushido 7.... ZOMG.


If anyone had complaints about TE 2005 round 1, then DON'T WORRY ;b

Damn.
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Indeed. Although no real surprises among most of the lightweight fights, seems it was an action-packed card. Need to watch it myself.

Waychel, thanks for the fights. :D
 
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Takanori Gomi vs Luiz Azeredo!

OMG you have to see the end... :lol WTF beef do Gomi and Luiz have with each other?

EDIT: The end of the fight I mean -- not the end of the video. XD Sorrie, people were complaining before that the ending/beginning cut out too soon, so I included everything this time from the moment they walked in to the moment they walked out. LOL...
 
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Yeah, but I didn't see the vid you posted because I couldn't get it to play.

Luiz was out before hitting the floor. It's reasonable to keep hitting a guy before the ref stoppage so I don't fault Gomi for that. But Gomi was acting like KID, attacking the guy while the ref was holding him back. Chute Boxe (Luiz's team) had every right to be pissed and you don't want to mess with Chute Boxe. Gomi has never done something like this before as far as I know and did apologize afterwards. The vid I saw ended here but apparently Gomi said he was caught up in the moment and he and Luiz hugged to show no hard feelings. I don't believe there was any beef between the two before the match so Gomi was apparently riled up during the match. Gomi also hasn't been very receptive of every lightweight calling him out either, but that's the price of being on top.
 
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Gomi vs Azaredo

Yeah, he was definitely unprofessional. This is more something you see out of Bob Sapp. Really thought it's *not* a big deal. A better man would've stopped after the 2 punch combination, but it's within his rights to continue until the ref stops it. He landed I think three punches before the ref touched him, and one punch landed while the ref was pulling him off. Plus he did apologize afterwards, and I've heard that Luiz was talking some shit a minute prior. Chute Box guys have done worse.
 
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EviLore said:
Gomi vs Azaredo

Yeah, he was definitely unprofessional. This is more something you see out of Bob Sapp. Really thought it's *not* a big deal. A better man would've stopped after the 2 punch combination, but it's within his rights to continue until the ref stops it. He landed I think three punches before the ref touched him, and one punch landed while the ref was pulling him off. Plus he did apologize afterwards, and I've heard that Luiz was talking some shit a minute prior. Chute Box guys have done worse.
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This is what I was going to ask about: what did Luiz say (if anything) to upset Gomi that much? I keep hearing rumours that he made a lot of racist statements prior to the match about Gomi being Japanese, but have any sources actually confirmed this? I just don't see what else could have made Gomi go berserk like that. I mean, he was still trying to go after Luiz even after the ref and three of his own people came to pull him away, so it doesn't really seem to me that he got "lost in the moment" (especially since Luiz was practically out cold for awhile there).
 
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http://rachel.nu/mma/adcc-highlight.wmv

This is a highlight from a submission grappling tournament called ADCC that is held in LA. There are some great slams and a bunch of really cool chokes (air, blood, triangle, guillotine). I'm not sure if anyone has seen it before, but it is still a cool video. =D There's even a guy in it that looks like Genki (he gets his ass handed to him, though).
 
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Waychel said:
http://rachel.nu/mma/adcc-highlight.wmv

This is a highlight from a submission grappling tournament called ADCC that is held in LA. There are some great slams and a bunch of really cool chokes (air, blood, triangle, guillotine). I'm not sure if anyone has seen it before, but it is still a cool video. =D There's even a guy in it that looks like Genki (he gets his ass handed to him, though).
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Hehe, random thought after reading your description; I wonder if you can actually tell the difference between the chokes you described yet :lol ;)
 
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Yep! I owe it all to my downloads of the Gracie family's introduction to BJJ videos. :lol

Although, whether I'm accurate or not is another issue entirely. =[

I still have no idea WTF an Anaconda choke looks like...

Hey, Boogie, maybe when I visit Ryan you can give me a demonstration? :lol
 
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Waychel said:
Yep! I owe it all to my downloads of the Gracie family's introduction to BJJ videos. :lol

Although, whether I'm accurate or not is another issue entirely. =[

I still have no idea WTF an Anaconda choke looks like...

Hey, Boogie, maybe when I visit Ryan you can give me a demonstration? :lol
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Haha, okay, in that case, good for you ;)

And of course I'd be willing to give a personal, thorough demonstration of the various chokes (on Ryan, of course :lol)
 
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I was downloading some K-1 fights recently and was introduced to Kaoklai (Muay Thai fighter from Thailand); what do you guys think of him? This guy has some AMAZING kicks from what I've seen of his fights with Ignashov and Mighty Mo (downloading his fight with Musashi as I write this).

kaoklai-ignashov.jpg


??? Hey why aren't images working...
 
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Asbel

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You really wanna keep this thread alive don't you. My K-1 knowledge is limited but Kaoklai is in the Choi HL at the top. Feel free to post his other fights as I'd like to see these kicks.

I'll have Crocop vs Bonjasky and Igor vs Hoost uploaded in about an hour.
 
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