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[SpectreRT]

Well, thats why they are doing the TUF 2 show.... THEY NEED FRIGGIN HEAVYWEIGHTS....

Mir should not be injured too much longer. They will probably throw some cans at the NEW champ - then give Mir a title shot at his return....

.... Or maybe throw a can or two at Mir also, to add some drama....

" Mir is 2-0 after his big return! Now he takes on Andrei for his title that was 'stolen' from him! "

.....something like that :lol

Or I could be wrong, my predictions were god-awfully wrong on the UFC: UFN.

 

[CyberCooper]

Let me know what you think.

www.officeoctagon.com

 

[Boogie]

Well, thats why they are doing the TUF 2 show.... THEY NEED FRIGGIN HEAVYWEIGHTS....

Mir should not be injured too much longer. They will probably throw some cans at the NEW champ - then give Mir a title shot at his return....

.... Or maybe throw a can or two at Mir also, to add some drama....

" Mir is 2-0 after his big return! Now he takes on Andrei for his title that was 'stolen' from him! "

.....something like that :lol

Or I could be wrong, my predictions were god-awfully wrong on the UFC: UFN.

ASSUMING Mir becomes capable of fighting at some point, I don't think there's any chance they'll throw him at Arlovski right away. This definitely seems like a move to allow him to take some tuneup fights first.

Let me know what you think.

www.officeoctagon.com

uh, my verdict is...lame.

 

[Asbel]

Andrei is fighting Buentello at 55 for his first title defense. Paul's not a can but is easily the underdog. After Paul though, they better hope Mir is in fighting shape again.

 

[Boogie]

Andrei is fighting Buentello at 55 for his first title defense. Paul's not a can but is easily the underdog. After Paul though, they better hope Mir is in fighting shape again.

Nonsense, then Andrei can fight...umm....he can fight...help me out here.....

 

[EviLore]

...Bas Rutten can make his long-awaited return!

 

[SpectreRT]

Bas, lol. I am SO sick of ordering Pride events and hearing his voice.

Nothing against him, he was a great fighter. But I cant understand half the things he says, and he talks sometimes for no reason... reminds me of John Madden.

 

[EviLore]

Bas isn't the bad one. He doesn't even get a chance to say anything anymore, with Mauro spouting his bullshit.

I can't stand Mauro + Joe Rogan + Goldie, but they're all topped by Will Vanders. "Sensei" Will Vanders is the worst MMA commentator in the world.

 

[Spinning Plates]

Mir's trainer and mentor adds his 2 cents on the decision to strip Frank...

I want to clear few things:

Frank wanted to fight Arlovski, l am the one that did not let him fight, he wouldn't be ready in october, l wanted to get him in his best shape to take Arlovski, so after warning Frank about the risk of the UFC do what they did, l called Joe Silva (ed - matchmaker) and told him about my decision and asked him to postpone Frank's return to december, Joe was not happy and said that would not be possible. I understand the UFC position but l also want them to understand that we are not happy with that. Medical clearance was never the issue, Frank is recovered, their decision is for some other reason. Frank will be ready in december and we hope the UFC will have someone to fight him at that time.

Thank you all!

Ricardo Pires.

 

[Boogie]

Mauro is absolutely intolerable. Even Damon "the Dog" Perry was better than him, and he actually seemed to improve over the couple events he did.

I like Bas...most of the time. He can be annoying sometimes too though. I remember when Mirko beat Herring and Igor, Bas was spewing nonsense like "just wait, you'll be seeing him submit people too, you'll see..." as if he had some secret knowledge that Mirko was a whiz on the ground. :lol

Who's Will Vanders do commentary for?

Mir's trainer and mentor adds his 2 cents on the decision to strip Frank...

About what I'd expect to hear. They can't very well say they're satisfied with the decision, but I'm sure they'll appreciate Mir being able to get his feet wet again without the pressure of the title.

 

[EviLore]

Will Vanders does the commentary for Eurosport. I've only heard his commentary once, for K-1 Romanex, but once was enough. He sounded like william shatner on horse tranquilizers, had no idea how to discuss the actual fight and instead read the fighters' records line by line, and when he did attempt to call the action he called EVERY SINGLE GROUND POSITION "half mount." Full guard, half guard, mount, rear mount, side mount, north/south, scarf hold.... all "half mount" in the eyes of Will.

 

[Boogie]

That's hilarious :lol

Though not at the time, I'm sure.

 

[Asbel]

Marquardt positive for roids. Gotta give a guy the chance to defend himself but damn, he was going on about his God given abilities in his post fight interview. :/

And per Ivan, he's still on the UFC roster. Just no contract.
http://www.ivansalaverry.net/news/pr_20051015.asp

 

[Boogie]

Marquardt positive for roids. Gotta give a guy the chance to defend himself but damn, he was going on about his God given abilities in his post fight interview. :/

And per Ivan, he's still on the UFC roster. Just no contract.
http://www.ivansalaverry.net/news/pr_20051015.asp

Ouch. Nate, Nate, Nate. You know you're getting tested. Why would you be such an idiot? And sheesh, if you're going to juice, at least put some 'roid rage aggression into your fight to make it worth it :lol

athough I guess we should wait for more official word, since for now his camp is completely denying the steroid allegations...hmm, I'd like to believe there's an explanation for it, but I'm inclined to be sceptical.

Good to hear Ivan say that Dana compensated him for not allowing the Team Punishment, and stemcells.com sponsorship. None of the tards on the forums seem to have mentioned that tidbit.

 

[Asbel]

Ouch. Nate, Nate, Nate. You know you're getting tested. Why would you be such an idiot? And sheesh, if you're going to juice, at least put some 'roid rage aggression into your fight to make it worth it :lol

:lol But apparently, if it's deca, then they can detect it up to 18 months later.
http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I know you guys are waiting for Fedor vs CroCop, but what do you think of the upcoming K-1 match between Bob Sapp and Hong-Man Choi on September 23rd? I still can't believe that Choi is actually bigger than Sapp (Choi is 7'2" and 353 pounds while Sapp is 6'7" and 350 pounds). I'm leaning towards Sapp winning after seeing his win at K-1 Japan Grand Prix, because he has better stamina IMO from what I have seen. Then again I am not a big fan of Choi either after seeing his K-1 point win over Kaoklai. Choi didn't land a single hit on Kaoklai from what I could see in the fourth round and it just reminded me of his fight with Musashi (Kaoklai clearly landed more hits but the decision didn't go in his favor). I'm seriously wondering if K-1 is racist against Thais.

Also on the card is Ray Sefo vs Kaoklai Kaennorsing. RIP Kaoklai. =[

 

[Boogie]

Sapp'll win, if only because he has faced legitimate opponents within 150lbs of him. :lol

Can't stand Choi, he represents just about everything that sucks with K-1 these days.

I'm not sure that K-1 is racist against Thais, but their judging is shady all-around at times.

 

[Zaptruder]

Are there any good Sapp fights floating around the net?

Is he like the king kong of MMA or what? Could he take out Fedor?

 

[Boogie]

Are there any good Sapp fights floating around the net?

Is he like the king kong of MMA or what? Could he take out Fedor?

Man, I should slap you silly for even daring to say something that ri-god-damn-diculous on my thread.

...

Anyway, if by "King Kong of MMA", you mean that he's, well, really big, then yes, he is the king kong of MMA. If you meant that phrase to indicate his quality, as in he reigns over all, then see my previous comment.

And alas, I'm not sure of where to find some Sapp fights out on the net. I'm not even sure if I've got any on my computer at the moment.

 

[Zaptruder]

Man, I should slap you silly for even daring to say something that ri-god-damn-diculous on my thread.

...

Anyway, if by "King Kong of MMA", you mean that he's, well, really big, then yes, he is the king kong of MMA. If you meant that phrase to indicate his quality, as in he reigns over all, then see my previous comment.

And alas, I'm not sure of where to find some Sapp fights out on the net. I'm not even sure if I've got any on my computer at the moment.

Sorry, I'm a MMA outsider, so all I hear are the names that have been thrown around... right now I'm not sure how they all fall together.

So... where do people like Sapp or even Butterbean fall into the MMA ranking continuum?

 

[dem]

Bob Sapp is cool

His fight with Nogueira was awesome. =P

 

[Boogie]

Sorry, I'm a MMA outsider, so all I hear are the names that have been thrown around... right now I'm not sure how they all fall together.

So... where do people like Sapp or even Butterbean fall into the MMA ranking continuum?

No prob.

Where does Sapp lie? He's not a contender, either in MMA, or in kickboxing (and it's been kickboxing that he seems to have been focussing on recently, and where he's had comparatively more success).

When he first burst on to the scene, he wowed people. Here was this huge, powerful man, full of raw aggression. It was thought that as he became more skilled and trained, he might become unstoppable. His biggest MMA fight was against Nogueira, who was Pride Champion at the time, and still ranked #2 or 3, depending on who you ask.

They had one of MMA's most epic wars, with Nogueira finally winning by armbar.

However, apart from that amazing fight, Sapp has not done anything competitive in MMA.
His record is 7-2-1. It breaks down like this, with his opponents' records in brackets:
Win over Yoshihisa Yamomoto (6-13)
Win over Kiyoshi Tamura (13-8) Tamura only weighs 195 lbs, Sapp weighs about 350.
Loss to Antonio Nogueira (25-3-1)
Win over Yoshihiro Takayama (0-4)
Win over Stephan Gamlin (0-2)
Win over Sumiyabazar Dolgorsuren (0-2)
Loss to Kazuyuki Fujita (10-4)
Draw with Jerome LeBanner (1-1-1). This fight was half-MMA, half-kickboxing
Win over Min Soo Kim (0-2)
Win over Alan Karaev (0-2)

So he only has one win over an opponent with a winning record, and he outweight that fighter by over 150lbs. The opponents he has beaten/drawed have a combined record of 20-34-1, while the two who have beaten him have a combined rank of 35-7-1.

Butterbean is a complete joke. He's only had 2 MMA fights, and is 0-1-1. He lost quickly to Genki Sudo, who is a top-10 155 lbs fighter (Butterbean weighing about 350 lbs), and scored a draw with a guy who is 3-0-1.

 

[3kuSaS]

You can get plenty of Pride fights on DC++...but you better order the damn PPVs!

Bob Sapp is a beast, but he isn't unstoppable by any means. I think if he learned some actual technique he could be unstoppable. But he seems to get by ok on just widly punching and stomping his opponents :lol Though I think he has a couple of wins via submission.

Boogie- Didnt he also lose to Ernesto Hoost?

 

[Boogie]

Boogie- Didnt he also lose to Ernesto Hoost?

I was only detailing his MMA record, since that's what Zaptruder specifically asked about.

And no, Sapp actually beat Hoost twice in kickboxing, by far his most impressive wins.

 

[Zaptruder]

Thanks for the info Boogie... just hoping you can gimme a crash course in understanding the sport by answering some questions.

I mean exactly how good are these guys in your opinion? How do they stack up against icons like say... Bruce Lee or wrestling heroes like... bret hart?

Or old martial arts masters? Are these guys high ranking individuals within their respective fields?

I watched a few of the fights that rachel posted and... been an outsider the fights just kinda seem a bit lack lustre... but my frame of reference is heavily distorted by the media fed to me by popular fiction.

I mean, the guys, they don't go for any spectacular moves or combos... like say a flying kick.
Also they tend to stand back alot to assess what's about to happen.

What exactly is it that's going through their heads while they're fighting? I watched a fight with Genki Sudo and Royce Gracie, and I could kinda start to see what the fight was about; the way the pressure was been applied from the way royce positioned himself and how genki tried to get out.

But then another fight I watched, was like a 10 second KO; the combatants fall over, and one tries to get the other into some kind of hold; it goes wrong for him and the other competitor is perfectly positioned to land a jackhammering of knees against his opponents head.

So yeah... watching this stuff, especially without commentary is definetly confusing for someone not used to watching live fights I guess. I do like Hajime no Ippo though.

 

[Minotauro]

I'm not Boogie but I'll try to tackle some of your questions..

I mean exactly how good are these guys in your opinion? How do they stack up against icons like say... Bruce Lee or wrestling heroes like... bret hart?

Things like this are hard to answer because, obviously, they've never competed in a MMA fight. That said, Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do could be considered a precursor to MMA because it focused on taking what works from any available martial art much like MMA does today.

Or old martial arts masters? Are these guys high ranking individuals within their respective fields?

A lot of times they are, yes. For instance, there are numerous competitors that've medaled in the Olympics that now participate in MMA. At the same time, there are a great number of fighters who never focused on one, single martial art and instead cross-trained from the very beginning.

I watched a few of the fights that rachel posted and... been an outsider the fights just kinda seem a bit lack lustre... but my frame of reference is heavily distorted by the media fed to me by popular fiction.

Absolutely. You shouldn't go into an MMA fight expecting to see something like you'd see in a kung fu movie. This is more due to the unrealistic portrayal of fighting in kung fu movies though.

I mean, the guys, they don't go for any spectacular moves or combos... like say a flying kick.
Also they tend to stand back alot to assess what's about to happen.

MMA values function over flash. Period. The reason you don't see anyone trying flying kicks (well, not a lot of people at least) is because they simply don't work in competition. Most likely, trying something like that would just leave you open to a counter attack. Ask Alexander Otsuka or Daijiro Matsui about that.

At the same time, there are certainly fighters that put somewhat flashy techniques to good use. Take for instance the increase in spinning back kicks and fists in recent months in the UFC. Or, look at the stance Genki Sudo uses...it certainly isn't a traditional boxing stance by any means.

What exactly is it that's going through their heads while they're fighting? I watched a fight with Genki Sudo and Royce Gracie, and I could kinda start to see what the fight was about; the way the pressure was been applied from the way royce positioned himself and how genki tried to get out.

See, this is something you only really learn by watching. There is a certain level of nuance to the grappling that might be confusing to a layman. If you want to learn some of the basics, there are any number of online resources to look at. To begin with, you might want to start with bjj.org.

But then another fight I watched, was like a 10 second KO; the combatants fall over, and one tries to get the other into some kind of hold; it goes wrong for him and the other competitor is perfectly positioned to land a jackhammering of knees against his opponents head.

It's something of a cliche but styles make fights. If you put two fighters together who favor striking, you're likely going to get a fight that predominately features striking.

So yeah... watching this stuff, especially without commentary is definetly confusing for someone not used to watching live fights I guess. I do like Hajime no Ippo though.

Yeah, commentary would definitely help. If you're really interested in learning more, I'd recommend watching either the Pride of UFC PPVs that are coming up. Or, if you aren't willing to spend any money, the next season of the Ultimate Fighter is starting this Monday. They were somewhat light on explanation during the first season but it's still a good introduction to the sport.

 

[3kuSaS]

Absolutely. You shouldn't go into an MMA fight expecting to see something like you'd see in a kung fu movie. This is more due to the unrealistic portrayal of fighting in kung fu movies though.

Yeah, if real fights were like the movies then the fighters would get tired faster than they already do. Once you get the illusion of flashy high flying kung fu fights out of your head, then you will enjoy MMA. Shit, its better than boxing..that's for sure.

 

[Minotauro]

To expand a bit on why you won't see people doing flying kicks and whatnot in MMA:

In the early days of MMA, most everyone who competed favored one specific style and knew little to nothing about any opposing one. Eventually, this led to a natural evolution of the sport where practitioners started taking parts from a variety of styles in order to be competitive. Today, techniques are by and large taken from the following martial arts: boxing, kick-boxing, muay thai, Brazilian jui-jitsu, wrestling, judo, and sambo. These were the styles that were shown to be effective in the early period. At the same time some styles--karate, taekwondo, kung fu, etc--were shown to be largely ineffective. This is something of a simplification of things but overall should ring true.

Also, I would highly suggest not taking the few fights you saw (whatever they were) to be absolutely indicative of MMA as a whole. MMA fights can play out in any number of ways depending on the competitors. Sometimes, you'll get fights that are slow and deliberate. Other times, you'll get ones that are fast and aggressive. This variety is what makes the sport great in my opinion.

 

[Apharmd Battler]

Where did this thread come from?! I can't believe I've missed this (but I have been busy finalizing my wedding plans).

Thanks for starting this thread and I'd like to thank everyone who contributed thus far. I used to keep up on this stuff many moons ago but I just havem't made it a priority. It's hard to get info on this stuff if you're not in the loop. I myself am a practitioner of Muay Thai (& boxing), but my competitive days are long over. I'm 36 and I just don't have the time, will or motivation to train for competition or informal bouts. I don't do it for a living, and I at my age it's to the point of diminishing returns (even though there's a guy at my gym who's older than me and still competes and wins actively). I got tired of explaining the bruises and injuries to people at work. They just don't get it.

Anyway, this thread is a good way to catch up someone who's not in the loop. I'd like to be in the loop form hence forth. how do I catch up on some of these bouts. Any websites, torrents, or retail footage I can purchase available? I've been out of the loop on UFC and Pride as well, I stopped like 10 years ago ad I see it's turned into something pretty cool. I keep hearing the guys at my gym talk about K-1, and watching footage as well. We've got a team heading down to Orlando this week to fight in a big Muay Thai tourney. After reading this thread, I see I need to get back in the loop and step up my training a bit.

Thanks for all the info, just point me to where I can get my hands on some footage and such.

BTW....here's where I work out 3 times a week:

http://www.indianapolismartialartsclub.com/

http://www.roningym.com

 

[Zaptruder]

cheers for the explanation mino.

Wondering if you can go into anymore detail about what made the effective techniques effective and the not so effective techniques not so effective.

From what I gather the striking and agility based styles would lose their effectiveness due to the ring based nature of the fights... also because they're up against opponents that can take blows, the fights go to ground much more readily.
but does that also mean they just suck relative to other styles?

 

[EviLore]

The thing you'll notice about the styles Minotauro mentioned -- boxing, kick-boxing, muay thai, brazilian jiu-jitsu, wrestling, judo, and sambo -- is that they are all styles that have been honed through looking at what works in competition, and not what the "The Great Master" says. What worked for "The Great Master" probably did because he was a natural fighter with certain physical attributes and fine-tuned his forms specifically for what worked for him in his fights. Or you have some ancient form from hundreds or thousands of years ago that has been passed on unchanged and is so revered that its practioners and especially its masters would not think for a moment to incorporate anything new, or remove anything that doesn't actually work.

Anyway, generally how things go is that the master will prohibit sparring/fighting outside schools in order to be able to claim superiority without any blemishes on his style's record. So his disciples will only spar with each other, and then eventually the style will be dulled into utilizing what works against itself and not what works against everything else. Then you have the styles with schools that are further built around profitability; if they're too hardcore in their training methods, then most students won't stay and pay their dues. So you have soft training with inbred technique.

In MMA we can see the "it worked for The Revered Founder, but it probably won't work for me" concept in practice. For example, Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera has an amazing MMA grappling technique, but he excels through it in significant part because of his iron chin & ability to withstand anything without wavering (+ killer cardio and a pace that increases steadily as the other person gets tired). If another MMA grappler (besides his twin brother...) copied his specific style, that person would probably get knocked out in short order unless they had very similar physical attributes and willpower.


Getting to the heart of the matter, though:

From what I gather the striking and agility based styles would lose their effectiveness due to the ring based nature of the fights... also because they're up against opponents that can take blows, the fights go to ground much more readily.

Flashy moves can be countered easily, either with a takedown or with more efficient strikes, and they're also usually easier to block. They also often lack the power that MMA-standard strikes have, despite taking longer to perform. Likewise, "agility" sort of techniques...wing chun?...can be said to be flawed in that while the agile fighter throws his flurry of strikes, he wears himself out and has little chance of KOing his opponent. The MMAist, having trained in open sparring extensively (unlike the wing chun practicioner), can take light punches without becoming overwhelmed and just counter with something like a couple powered hooks to the chin (or play defense and wait for the other guy to tire, or go for the takedown, etc.).

 

[EviLore]

Phil Baroni, the most intelligent, humble, well-respected fighter in MMA (...) edited an interview of Tank Abbot by the pride folks and inserted his own comments in Tank's place. He then posted it on sherdog.

Pride: Mark Coleman, a legendary fighter who also came from the UFC, hasn’t done well in PRIDE recently. It seems like the current situation, not limited to Coleman, is that the American fighters aren’t winning.

Baroni: Wake the fuck up. Where have you been? Didnt I just KTFO two of your Aces. Im pretty shore I stomped on Minowas head and sent him to go get his fucking shine box. And that wise ass fish head didnt I show him what a champion class American fighter is all about.

Pride: Even so, Kevin Randleman, Josh Barnett and the current Champion, Chuck Liddell, all originally UFC fighters, haven’t been able to win in PRIDE recently. What do you think the problem is?

Baroni: I dont know and who gives a fuck really. Its how you come back from a loss that shows your true character. Its easy when things are going your way. Its about having the courage not give up on yourself when everybody else is. To believe in yourself when things aren't going your way.

Pride: Do you think there is any difference, in terms of the level of fighting, between the FC and PRIDE?

Baroni: PRIDE has more international talent. So its more like the Olympics where the UFC is more US home grown talent. Pride has a bigger talent pool. So When your the best in PRIDE your considered the best in the World hands down.

PRIDE: Do you

Baroni: Shut the fuck up. No more questions. After I win the Grand Pri you can ask me that question about American fighters again

Can someone in pride PLEASE beat the shit out of Phil Baroni?

 

[dem]

Well they were stupid questions

That post made me like jabroni baroni a bit more.

 

[Boogie]

Baroni is a douche, but that "interview" made me laugh. When I first saw the original Tank interview, I thought right away that those questions were stupid because, like Baroni points out, they overlook the Americans who've been winning recently.

 

[Boogie]

Pride has announced the matchups for its 185lbs tournament:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=3277

Ikuhisa Minowa vs. Phil Baroni
Dan Henderson vs. Ryo Chonan
Daniel Acacio vs. Akihiro Ghono
Murilo Bustamante vs. Masanori Suda

Reserve Bout:
Paulo Filho vs. Ryuta Sakurai

A pretty solid tournament, but it just doesn't excite me like the Pride Heavyweight, "Middleweight", and, probably, the Lightweight tournaments do. I guess it might be because, unlike those three tournaments, the winner of this one will not necessarily have automatic claim as the absolute top fighter in that weight division, because of how strong the UFC Middleweight division is right now.

I am excited to see Henderson finally competing at 185lbs for this tournament, and I think he's got to be considered the favourite, with Bustamante solidly seeded second. If anyone other than those two win this tournament, I'll be shocked.

 

[SpectreRT]

lol, Ikuhisa Minowa vs. Phil Baroni again....

Baroni had a post on Sherdog about his performance in PRIDE, and I completely agree with what he said.

If you care to read it, go there and do a search, but this is the summary...

He basically said that PRIDE brought him in, believing that he is an average fighter. They want to build up new asian superstars, since sakaruba ( sp? ) is getting old and injured in every fight pretty much..

DSE's plan is to build up superstars by having them fight well known, but not spectacular fighters. Baroni was the first choice, and he knocked out both asian fighters he was presented to.

NOW, they are going to advertise this first round of the tourny as a chance for Minowa to get revenge....

And I COMPLETELY believe this. PRIDE is running out of japanese stars. Granted they have PLENTY of japanese fighters, but they need a star again.

 

[EviLore]

A pretty solid tournament, but it just doesn't excite me like the Pride Heavyweight, "Middleweight", and, probably, the Lightweight tournaments do. I guess it might be because, unlike those three tournaments, the winner of this one will not necessarily have automatic claim as the absolute top fighter in that weight division, because of how strong the UFC Middleweight division is right now

Yup. Quality fighters in this tourney but it's not nearly as stacked as a "dream tournament" would be, and Pride is damn close to having the equivalent of that with its hw/lhw/lw talent pools.

It's also unfortunate that saku's been pushed by sakikabara to bulk up rather than competing in this. Though I suppose it's really too insignificant a tournament for him to participate in. Not big enough for the win potential to make it exciting ("COME ON SAKU WIN THE CROWN AND BE #1 BEFORE YOU RETIRE" doesn't really enter my thoughts with something of this caliber), and enough quality opponents that the chances of losing are still high.

 

[Asbel]

It's good to see Hendo fight at his more natural weight. I know I've been asking to see it. But now Kondo is mia. :/

Now in Middleweight news that only makes me happy. Tanner/Loiseau is official for UFC 55. Ohh Shittt. Did somebody ask for flying kicks and flashy moves? In celebration, I watch the Loiseau/McCarthy match again and I thought it was a good example of what it takes for fancy moves to survive in mma: lightning fast execution, suprise factor and recovery ready for sprawl/clinch. Couple solid takedown defense with even better ground defense and you're a threat even in a talent packed division.

Here's the fight: http://rapidshare.de/files/4134160/Loiseau_vs_McCarthy.wmv.html

Also, part 2 of the offensive but joking Parisyan interview:
http://mma-fighter.com/interviews/Karo_Parisyan_Interview_Part_2/

Brad – So who do you think is the best Judoka in MMA right now?

Karo – Me.

:lol

 

[Boogie]

:lol

Man, Karo is one crazy, cocky guy. He always seems to make for an entertaining interview.

The 170lbs division seems to be stacked with cocky contenders. You've got Karo, Trigg, now Diego, and Diaz. And then you've got Mr. Polite and Respectful, Georges St. Pierre, who will beat them all

edit: Oh, and big thanks for the Loiseau-McCarthy fight. Great fight.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

And no, Sapp actually beat Hoost twice in kickboxing, by far his most impressively fishy wins.

Fixed.

Then you have the styles with schools that are further built around profitability; if they're too hardcore in their training methods, then most students won't stay and pay their dues. So you have soft training with inbred technique.

better known as a McDojo.

 

[Boogie]

Fixed.

Oh, let me guess, they were WORKS, right? :lol

The stoppage in the second fight was definitely premature. If you want to cry about a K-1 conspiracy to build up Sapp through those fights, so be it.

 

[Vinzer Deling]

Oh, let me guess, they were WORKS, right? :lol

The stoppage in the second fight was definitely premature. If you want to cry about a K-1 conspiracy to build up Sapp through those fights, so be it.

5th degree blackbelt in Workwando.

 

[WARCOCK]

Bah i think the reason why america dosent have top fighters is that nobody really gives a shit about mma in america . I.e. Soccer syndrome. Let me rephrase that, mma does not have a substantial following for investements to be made in the sport from America(fucking shcick and konami :/). imo.

50 on fedor. win or die. broken finger

 

[Boogie]

5th degree blackbelt in Workwando.

So tell me straight up: You think Ernesto Hoost would throw a fight?

 

[Boogie]

Bah i think the reason why america dosent have top fighters is that nobody really gives a shit about mma in america . I.e. Soccer syndrome. Let me rephrase that, mma does not have a substantial following for investements to be made in the sport from America(fucking shcick and konami :/). imo.

50 on fedor. win or die. broken finger

Well, sure, except America does have top fighters. I mean, you're right that if there's a reason for it, it would be because the support isn't there, but you've got American fighters in the top 10 of every division, especially in the 170 and 185 pound divisons.

I'd like to start betting on fights, but I don't like the online sportsbooks with their fees for payouts.

 

[Asbel]

Bah i think the reason why america dosent have top fighters is that nobody really gives a shit about mma in america . I.e. Soccer syndrome. Let me rephrase that, mma does not have a substantial following for investements to be made in the sport from America(fucking shcick and konami :/). imo.

50 on fedor. win or die. broken finger

No country other than Japan really cares about mma. What is popular is wrestling in the US, bjj in Brazil and judo almost everywhere else (judo is the second biggest sport in the world but also suffers the soccer syndrome in the US). Now the days of wrestling ruling the HW division has pasted but it's still holds strong in the lower weight classes: Couture, Babalu, Hughes, and even Gomi.

 

[Boogie]

No country other than Japan really cares about mma. What is popular is wrestling in the US, bjj in Brazil and judo almost everywhere else (judo is the second biggest sport in the world but also suffers the soccer syndrome in the US). Now the days of wrestling ruling the HW division has pasted but it's still holds strong in the lower weight classes: Couture, Babalu, Hughes, and even Gomi.

And kickboxing in the Holland

(Okay, and Muay Thai in Thailand, but that goes without saying)

 

[EviLore]

Pride FC Manga (panels are read right to left, top to bottom)

 

[Boogie]

That looks awesome. Care to give a translation for those of us who aren't fluent in Japanese?

heh, this is finally a comic (sorry, manga) where the muscles of the characters aren't really exaggerated :lol

Who was the guy fighting Silva supposed to be? Kondo? Or is he fictional?

 

[EviLore]

Japanese guy is fictional I think. And maybe someone else can translate, since I wouldn't be able to work out the kanji.