Torre did some unfathomably dumb things (batting A-Rod 8th lololol) but even I don't think he'd outright bench his best player in an elimination game and use him as a pinch RUNNER with the game on the line.
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MLB 2014 Postseason |OT| Where Chokes Happen
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Torre did some unfathomably dumb things (batting A-Rod 8th lololol) but even I don't think he'd outright bench his best player in an elimination game and use him as a pinch RUNNER with the game on the line.
Dusktildawn48
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Just like the cards wouldn't beats the tigers or rangers...
lazybones18
Banned
you're right. The Royals will....probably
as a yankees fan that watched every game of his tenure. i beg to differ.
Dominican Power
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Baseball players drinking beer? What kind of message are you trying to send, Baseball?
GG Dodgers, take good care of Kershaw in the off season because he's legit. Next time pitch him in non-clinchers? Because that's a lot of weight to carry two years in a row.
Meanwhile that's the most subdued Budweiser celebration ever, I like it though, the road keeps going from here.
Meanwhile that's the most subdued Budweiser celebration ever, I like it though, the road keeps going from here.
You said it, brother. Good luck AL teams. Fuck, I can't believe its gonna be the Cards or the Giants again. Gross.
Amory
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They would've just headhunted him next at bat like they do with all of our best hitters.
Jack Remington
Banned
6-1 lead in Game 1. That will haunt me forever. I left work with the score 6-1, and was sitting in LA traffic as the nightmare unfolded. Worst drive of my life.
Maddocks
Member
I'm still proud of the dodgers, shame we couldn't go farther but that is what happens when you don't have a solid pen. No blame on kersh, he came through when it mattered and he got us here in a sense, without him we wouldn't even have been in the playoffs probably.
See yall next year.
See yall next year.
evil solrac v3.0
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payback for destroying the rivalry.
we all watched the games, you're choosing to remember things differently.we'll leaev it at that. every single manager does dumb things, it's almost a part of Baseball but Mattingly just did not give his team a chance to win. he panicked and made dumb moves as a result. he also doesn't have much of a bullpen so that didn't help.
no fun allowed!
Dominican Power
Member
Let's not act like The Rangers didn't choke.
I'm glad the Caridinals have finally come around! I look forward to lots of bat flips and curtain calls against them next year!
To people second-guessing Mattingly: at some point you need the players to take responsibility for their play too. Maybe Don affected the odds negatively, but it's not like guys like Baez don't have a place on a big-league roster as we saw tonight. Sometimes you have to let the sport of the whole thing take-over and accept that dudes will get lit sometimes.
Like Rosenthal for instance? I would be wrecked if he blew the game tonight but at the same time I don't think that Neshek should be throwing two innings every night either. Maybe C-Mart can get something going but maybe he can't, either. It comes down to trusting a guy to hit or pitch better than his opposition.
Like Rosenthal for instance? I would be wrecked if he blew the game tonight but at the same time I don't think that Neshek should be throwing two innings every night either. Maybe C-Mart can get something going but maybe he can't, either. It comes down to trusting a guy to hit or pitch better than his opposition.
Not to mention those two hits before the HR barely got by the infielders. Pretty sure both made contact with their gloves!
Baseball™
BFIB
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I think the two things that Mattingly is going to be questioned for, and rightly so, is not starting Turner in at least one of the games, especially with Uribe not playing well, and bullpen management, which has been the one part of the Dodgers that's suspect. No doubt about it, the Cards got lucky that the Dodgers were caught off kilter on offense. This series easily could have went in the other direction.
EDIT: I can't stop staring at zychi's gif.
Dusktildawn48
Member
And you know the Orioles won't?
It was a close one, and yeah that will make it seem more likely that a different move would have yielded a result that might have given the Dodgers the W, but second-guessing all this minutia seems sort of anti-sporting. I like baseball because you can question a manager/GM but at this point you stand on the merits of the team you're fielding. Maybe the Puig benching gets around this because he wasn't put out there but otherwise it's sort of everyone's fault, not just Donny Baseball imo.
If the Dodgers have a league average defensive short stop they probably win this game.
Jeter would have made that catch for donnie
Not much imo
Conor_Fool
Banned
Go Cards! Hell yeah. Wish I was in St. Louis to celebrate
HarryDemeanor
Member
Nobody is saying that the Cardinals didn't play their asses off, they did. Dodgers offense stunk the entire series with RISP. Nobody is denying any of that. The team played badly.
The problem is when you don't have the absolute pleasure to sit through an entire year every single season and watch this guy manage. I've had enough. The entire Dodgers fanbase has had enough. It's time for Don to go. We aren't going to a World Series with him on board. It just isn't possible.
Dominican Power
Member
They won't.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Fuck it. GO ROYALS.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Would you trade Mattingly for Mike Matheny straight up?
Yeah I can't say I envy watching however many wins slip away and then see more happen in postseason play, that's for sure. But at the end of today which calls do you think he really dropped the ball on? Just using Howell and Baez and the benching of Puig? Or is it more endemic than that?
HarryDemeanor
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I haven't seen an entire Cardinals season with him at the helm. Only when his team kicks our ass.
I'm convinced it'll happen as soon as Selig steps down.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
If youre into closers batting with men on in a tie extra inning game, Matheny is for you
evil solrac v3.0
Member
If the Dodgers have a league average defensive short stop they probably win this game.
any shorstop could have missed that.
Dusktildawn48
Member
Don't you have Nelson Cruz?
It won't. It will never happen.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It's a shame Kershaw is going to catch so much shit about "choking" when the shit should really fall on Mattingly and Coletti (how do you have a $200 million payroll and not have the resources to develop a half decent reliever outside of Jansen?). You can say that guys didn't perform but that shouldn't let Maggintly off the hook. He knew how bad the bullpen was yet still went to them rather than trusting his starters. He knew how well Turner had played but refused to play him over Uribe or Crawford. The Puig benching is the best example yet that Mattingly is just another chump who prefers to manage with his "gut" rather than using evidence. Mattingly bought into the narrative. Oh he struck out 7 straight times! He's too young and hot tempered! He's moody and uncontrollable! Forget the fact that he's actually been one of the few good offensive performers and the numbers bear that out, let me sit him for a guy with a .600 OBP who is not even replacement level because...baseball reasons. Both guys should be fired before the team plane lands back in LA.
HarryDemeanor
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Benching of Puig (even though I stupidly called for the same thing last night) and not utilizing one of the best offensive weapons from the end of the year in Justin Turner until an absolute pressure moment with the season on the line. The bullpen is what it is. They're all shaky as hell.
Did they put Brian Wilson out there?
Nobody would have been able to handle his 82 mph fastball.
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