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MLB - Official 2012 Season Thread: Bringing in Bobby V to Change Our Culture |OT2|
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Haha, I am not, truly, but if we are unloading, I want as close to a sure thing prospect as I can get! Lee is still an elite pitcher...I wish we could keep him. If they are committed to trading him, then it's time to loot someone's system. No more Phillippe Aumonts or J.C. Ramirez(s).
I'd take Profar and Ogando and call it a day...he could take over for Jimmy in 2 years and be the franchise shortstop -- although a lot of teams could say the same thing. I think Texas wants him more than they are leading on...to get to the World Series twice and lose twice has to have a sour taste. They want to finish the deal.
I'd take Profar and Ogando and call it a day...he could take over for Jimmy in 2 years and be the franchise shortstop -- although a lot of teams could say the same thing. I think Texas wants him more than they are leading on...to get to the World Series twice and lose twice has to have a sour taste. They want to finish the deal.
What is the Rangers plan with Profar, seriously? Elvis Andrus is only 23 years old. Are they going to trade him? A proven commodity at SS, entering the prime of his career? The Rangers would get a top of the rotation starter (at a discount, considering the Phillies will probably pay a chunk of the salary). Then, the Phillies who also need some bullpen help could ask for Ogando, who has had injury issues and some inconsistency. I think it isn't THAT big of a stretch. Granted, it would be a tough deal, but if the Rangers want their man, they'll pay up.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-hypothetical-rangers-trade-for-cliff-lee
Fangraphs predicts candidates to come to Phillies if Lee trade to Texas happened.
They did a pretty good job of predicting the return for Greinke. For people who watch a lot of minor league baseball, how good would this deal be for the Phillies?
Fangraphs predicts candidates to come to Phillies if Lee trade to Texas happened.
They did a pretty good job of predicting the return for Greinke. For people who watch a lot of minor league baseball, how good would this deal be for the Phillies?
Jim Salisbury said:
https://twitter.com/JSalisburyCSN/statuses/230018368206405632
I'm nervous about what Amaro is going to do at this deadline.
I guess I don't understand it. Wouldn't most teams kill for Andrus? This guy is the proven player...Profar (although he looks legit) is still an unknown. Why not trade the question mark and sign Andrus to the extension?
I'm not saying this to help make my argument, I'm just honestly curious as to the thinking behind it. Rarely do you see two guys so close in age at the same position in one system.
I'm not saying this to help make my argument, I'm just honestly curious as to the thinking behind it. Rarely do you see two guys so close in age at the same position in one system.
Mr. Enigma
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Scott Miller of CBS Sports says the Dodgers and Cubs are "gaining momentum" on a deal that would send Ryan Dempster AND Alfonso Soriano to the Dodgers. However, Dempster's still hanging up things and isn't communicating with the Cubs as much as they'd like, despite the Dodgers being Dempster's "first choice". He says the Cubs are "bending over backwards" trying to deal Dempster to a playoff contender, but he's really frustrating them with his lack of decision-making.
Braves and Nationals are still rumored to be in it for Dempster, although the Braves will now not offer Randall Delgado.
Braves and Nationals are still rumored to be in it for Dempster, although the Braves will now not offer Randall Delgado.
If I were a Rangers fan, given their financial situation, it'd be a tough pill to swallow to allow Andrus to walk as an FA.
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Me to. I dont want them trading for a bunch of future pieces. Get guys that can help next year. Their window is going to close fast, they should be going all out for next year.
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/statuses/230022272826621952Howard Eskin said:
If the Phillies can get a big return for Blanton, that could be a precursor to some great value trades. I hope.
Having him at the helm is both exciting and terrifying at the same time. You don't know what he's going to do. You really have to praise his first Lee deal, giving up garbage prospects. Then, the Halladay deal worked out pretty well.
On the flipside, we have the two Houston deals which were fucking terrible.
All I know is that it keeps things interesting, at least.
EDIT: Dylan Bundy for Blanton. Who says no?
If they lose Andrus it would almost certainly be through a huge trade and a decision Texas would make to go in another direction. How could they let him go for just compensatory picks?
yankeehater
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It will be sad to see Blanton go, guy has pitched really well this year and is a great 2nd half pitcher, but no way were they going to resign him after the season so they had to move him.
Andrus is a great player imo. Spectacular defense and with a good bat, and mature approach. The thing is though, Profar is just better.
Keith Law on Profar
The Rangers would want to keep both if they could, but I don't know if that's really possible since Andrus becomes a free agent at the end of 2014, the same time when Jeter should be ready to retire for the Yankees.
Keith Law on Profar
The Rangers would want to keep both if they could, but I don't know if that's really possible since Andrus becomes a free agent at the end of 2014, the same time when Jeter should be ready to retire for the Yankees.
yankeehater
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Yeah but he was forced into that by management who thought that no way would Lee resign.
That's my point, exactly. That's why Profar is even more valuable as a trade chip.
Mr. Enigma
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Blanton is a free agent after this year. Don't expect much in return.
They didn't have to make the trade right after the Halladay trade. I can't believe that was the best package they could have gotten for Cliff Lee.
They obviously wouldn't. An established SS is massively valuable in today's MLB.
This makes zero sense to me in the context of this conversation.
Well, I see your point that he won't be cheap, but you agreed with me that they are likely to keep Andrus when he becomes a FA. So that's why I think Profar should be valued as a super-prospect that could net a top-tier current MLB player. Granted, this will not be Cliff Lee, but I think it could happen down the road.
EDIT: Coincidentally, Ben Badler was just asked this question on Twitter, and he believes they will trade Andrus once Profar is ready.
Ahhh, my mistake! I took your "On what planet would they let that happen" to mean they'd keep them. Misunderstanding on my part. Well then, it's safe to say Andrus will be in pinstripes by 2014.
Dominican Power
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Harper needs one.
For Profar, Olt, or both?
Greinke
Profar and Andrus in case Profar doesn't work out.
Dominican Power
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He deserves better.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/7/30/3200876/chipper-jones-retiring-best-last-seasons-bravesRob Neyer - Memo To Chipper Jones: Please Don't Quit! said:
He needs a day or two off. You always hate to see a player in a slump.
Mr. Enigma
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Marlins just announced that Wade LeBlanc will start Wednesday against the Braves and Carlos Zambrano is being moved to the bullpen.
damn, Leblanc is a lefty too. well there goes that game.
Mr. Enigma
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John Axford cut all his hair off. Eznark will be pleased.
I don't think he'll be fully pleased until Axford's blood is spilt.
Mr. Enigma
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Jayson Stark says Phillies/Rangers talks for Cliff Lee have ended, but will be revisited in the offseason.
Well that was fun. Next rumour please.
Mr. Enigma
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His two very easy-to-obtain options for 2016 and 2017 would push him past what the Rangers were offering.
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Still, it's pretty obvious he likes it in Philly, and they just keep pushing him away.
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