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[WrathOfOtaibah]

Children should not be using steroids but first off, by everyone (especially ESPN, I am official boycotting their stupid asses) making a big deal about them, it exposes the underbelly of the MLB that really wouldn't be understood except for an effective but private MLB task force. Believe me, the NFL and NBA are juicing as much as the MLB but its secret because its under the disguise that there's testing going on (even though its fraudulent).

However since the media is throwing a huge shit fit about steroids, kids who once believed that it took talent to get in there, now see Canseco and say, "Wow, I didn't know he used steroids. Better find a source for Dianabol and Trenbolone." It negatively impacted youth and sports, all because these douchebags want is an extra fucking 100,000 viewers. Fuck those shitheads and everything they stand for.

Its a tough toss up between whats worse:

- The dumbass media
- The baseball players
- Children who use anabolic steroids

Edit: Something about baseball

I think that McGwire is officially a douche bag. His dancing around the questions pissed me off. Why not man up and admit it. He didn't have to a bitch like Giambi and apologize for it, just stated that he did inject. Although he gave it away.

I actually respect Canseco more for doing this. He's telling the stark truth about sports and steroid use in a society that knows jack shit about either. There's a lot of myths flying around that steroids kill people, gives them cancer. A crock of shit that has yet to be proven by reputable doctors (just assheads who don't know their asses from holes dug in the ground) but people believe it because who else is going to give a fair report, ESPN? Ratings whores won't report a fair story.

 

[Fifty]

Man, this was great. It was on at my gym, and I was going to just be there for 45 minutes, but between Canseco's fake nice guy/smartass routine, Big Mac's lack of intelligent thought, and Soso's lack of comprehension, it made for must see tv. I ended up staying there for 2 hours :lol

 

[Bat]

Believe me, the NFL and NBA are juicing as much as the MLB but its secret because its under the disguise that there's testing going on (even though its fraudulent).

That's simply not true. Football certainly has a steroid problem, though no where near as extensive, but to lay a blanket claim on the steroid use of other sports when there is no indication such use is anywhere near as prevalent as in the MLB is really inaccurate.

In no other team sport can I go through a team's lineup and with a glance of say whose been roiding. You don't see in any other sport players suddenly reaching their statistical and effective peak in their late 30s. Nor do you see, in the span of a few years, every big time star increase in size two fold. Really, the only other sport that I would say is anywhere near MLB in terms of its steroid problem is track and field.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Its pretty extensive for the NFL. Its just that the NFL has been a lot smarter about steroid use by being a lot more quiet about it. Steroids are common in the NFL. Just compare weights of running backs 30 years ago to now. I know diet and nutrition knowledge is much better but when RBs are 200+ lbs, you know they've shot up. You see how huge NBA players are? Weight lifting and nutrition only go so far. Again, they were just able to handle it a lot better.

The MLB I don't think has recovered since the 80s. Pete Rose, the strikes, Michael Jordan, ridiculously overpaid athletes, and now this. Nobody respects baseball. I don't think this shit is as much steroids as it is finding something else wrong with MLB.

 

[Bat]

Since when are NBA players so huge? Well, they're huge in the sense that they're 6'10"+ but you can't look at any top NBA player and say "wow, he's clearly using steroids". It's just not a big advantage to put on an unnatural 40 pounds of muscle when playing basketball. If anything, a lot of the players seem really long and thin if you see them in person (someone like Kevin Garnett).

With football, there is a problem, moreso among certain positions. However, I am positive it's not as extensive as baseball's. Football simply doesn't have that same "go it alone, gym junkie" culture to it. If it were as extensive, we would have heard more whispering about it, especially since the sport chews up and forgets about retired players a lot more than baseball does.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

These people involving the NFL are reaching like Dhalsim, Tagliabue will suspend your ass at moment's notice

 

[Shinobi]

hmmm, why did McGwire get a little extra choked up when he talked about other players' "Sexual preference"? I don't remember him ever playing on the Yankees?

"He better not name names..."

:lol :lol :lol

isn't Viagra a performance enhancing drug? Maybe thats why Palmiero is there.

:lol You pretty much made this thread.

So I'm watching the hearings, away from the computer, and I come back to find this message from a friend:

Quote:
Deerhu0---4 (5:23:55 PM): what are you slamming mcgwire for hes not the only one that did them and atleast he has enough courage to be their you need to join the real world and start slamming that punk ass bitch bonds also quit sucking his fucking dick

Auto response from InconspicuousLie (5:23:55 PM): McGwire: Steroids is bad.

lol... what an idiot.

Deerhu---4 returned at 5:23:55 PM.
Deerhu---4 (5:24:23 PM): and thats the facts
Deerhu---4 (5:24:26 PM): punk

:lol :lol :lol He does know that Bonds wasn't asked to be there right? And that McGwire tried to get out of this deal? Hell, Bonds held his half hour press conference two weeks ago and took the shit head on, and came out smelling like a fucking rose compared to Big Mac.

i feel bad for selig, i think his image is tainted because donald fehr is a slimey son of a bitch. i really think selig is trying to make the game better, and he's being sincere.

did mcgwire go from first ballot hall of famer to possibly never getting in today?

Don't agree about Selig...though I don't hate him like other people do, the fact of the matter is that his office was made aware of the steroid problem some ten years ago by the FBI, and they chose to do nothing about it. Ultimately the commissioner is the one that's running the league, and is in charge of the league...and should therefore take the most heat if something's run afoul.

Children should not be using steroids but first off, by everyone (especially ESPN, I am official boycotting their stupid asses) making a big deal about them, it exposes the underbelly of the MLB that really wouldn't be understood except for an effective but private MLB task force. Believe me, the NFL and NBA are juicing as much as the MLB but its secret because its under the disguise that there's testing going on (even though its fraudulent).

However since the media is throwing a huge shit fit about steroids, kids who once believed that it took talent to get in there, now see Canseco and say, "Wow, I didn't know he used steroids. Better find a source for Dianabol and Trenbolone." It negatively impacted youth and sports, all because these douchebags want is an extra fucking 100,000 viewers. Fuck those shitheads and everything they stand for.

Its a tough toss up between whats worse:

- The dumbass media
- The baseball players
- Children who use anabolic steroids

Edit: Something about baseball

I think that McGwire is officially a douche bag. His dancing around the questions pissed me off. Why not man up and admit it. He didn't have to a bitch like Giambi and apologize for it, just stated that he did inject. Although he gave it away.

I actually respect Canseco more for doing this. He's telling the stark truth about sports and steroid use in a society that knows jack shit about either. There's a lot of myths flying around that steroids kill people, gives them cancer. A crock of shit that has yet to be proven by reputable doctors (just assheads who don't know their asses from holes dug in the ground) but people believe it because who else is going to give a fair report, ESPN? Ratings whores won't report a fair story.

Best post in the entire thread...don't neccessarily agree with all of it, but much of it has merit. Why is it just MLB that's being singled out here? Everybody knows that the NFL had a huge roid problem in the 80's and probably still continues to have one looking at the size of those athletes now (Lawrence Taylor would be a fucking midget in today's league), yet it's MLB that's getting taken to the woodshed. It's nothing more then political grandstanding, and while it was entertaining to see McGwire squirm like I knew he would, it's ultimately pointless. If all these people care about is the truth, grant Canseco's wish and give him immunity, and offer that to others. Not doing so just made this nothing more then a circus.

And I've suggested a few times before that 'Bron looks like a roider...nothing else explains his freakish physique. Not that I care.

 

[Incognito]

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Don't agree about Selig...though I don't hate him like other people do, the fact of the matter is that his office was made aware of the steroid problem some ten years ago by the FBI, and they chose to do nothing about it. Ultimately the commissioner is the one that's running the league, and is in charge of the league...and should therefore take the most heat if something's run afoul.

Nope. According to Selig himself, it wasn't until 1998 when BigMac was showing off his Andro in the locker room that Selig became "aware" of the problem.

He said this multiple times during the hearing, and each time he said it, I laughed. :lol

"Dur, didn't realize there was a problem. At least, not until McGwire had the Andro in the locker..."

I mean, come on. :rolllllleyes

 

[Shinobi]

:lol Well what did anyone expect from these guys, to come clean?

McGwire: Yep, I was on the juice all those years...that magical home run chase in '98 was straight up bullshit.

Selig: Yeah, I knew all about it...but since we were stupid enough to wipe out the World Series, we needed something to bring the suckers back into the ballpark. So I stuck my head up my ass...no big deal, I do that all the time anyway!

 

[cubanb]

:lol Well what did anyone expect from these guys, to come clean?

McGwire: Yep, I was on the juice all those years...that magical home run chase in '98 was straight up bullshit.

Selig: Yeah, I knew all about it...but since we were stupid enough to wipe out the World Series, we needed something to bring the suckers back into the ballpark. So I stuck my head up my ass...no big deal, I do that all the time anyway!

:lol :lol :lol
I think that will the uncut version on their website. With their trend of charging for everything on mlb.com(I remember when you could listen to games online for free, now they charge $3 for a friggin highlight), I bet they could make a killing with: steroid testimony, this time its for real!

 

[Bat]

And I've suggested a few times before that 'Bron looks like a roider...nothing else explains his freakish physique. Not that I care.

I don't want to sound like a blind protector of all things NBA, but if you see Lebron in street clothes he doesn't seem abnormaly muscular or anything. He's 6'8" and 20 years old and looks like someone who is a porportionally 6'8" should. Consider that Barry Bonds weighs 10 pounds less than him and is probably a good 8 inches shorter (and 40 years old).

"I look like a roider????"

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

These people involving the NFL are reaching like Dhalsim, Tagliabue will suspend your ass at moment's notice

Its true but I don't really care too much who uses and who doesn't.

I personally think steroids should be used on by:

- AIDS victims
- Females (birth control are steroids)
- People who are responsible users (who know about stuff like PCT, juicing lengths)

I don't think sports should be using steroids at all. I can't believe its that tough to where a great meal plan and an effective workout regimen just aren't enough.

Not doing so just made this nothing more then a circus.

These hearings are nothing more than politicians asking questions and looking important so they can say they are out for the people. MLB has become the sports media's whipping boy since the 80s and its not going to end. Even if an airtight testing plan is set in place, the media will be salivating for another MLB screwup. They'd rather be in denial about anything the NFL does. Some Linebacker beats his wife. It makes the sports page and then is forgotten the next day. If someone in the MLB did that, they would have a huge field day with it.

I think MLB is just going to have to realize that the media is always going to be breathing down their necks and if they want the media off their ass they're going to have to do everything perfectly because secretive juicing is still too risky.

 

[Spectral Glider]

Baseball is the whipping boy because they are the only major sport with an antitrust exemption.

http://www.cbaforfans.com/antitrust.html

http://slate.msn.com/id/2068290/

And since the Supreme Court passed the buck off to Congress they've been reluctant to make major changes. But as player salaries sky rocket, the rich, fat cat owners of big market teams get richer and fatter while smaller markets squander, and now this accusation of the club houses being little more than a bunch of syringe popping parties......some are getting fed up with what MLB is putting out on the field.

Whether it's important or not is a whole other argument. As somebody who doesn't care that much about baseball, I don't put much stock into the whole thing. But really, I'm sure we'd all be shocked at the amount of other unimportant crap congress wastes its time on.

 

[MrPing1000]

american sports ..... :lol :lol :lol

 

[Brofist]

And I've suggested a few times before that 'Bron looks like a roider...nothing else explains his freakish physique. Not that I care.

Umm he most certainly does not share the body of a roider. He's cut, where as most guys on roids have straight up huge muscle mass, but aren't lean looking.

 

[Cloudy]

I'm more suspicious of Bron's "real" age over any 'roids :lol

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

1) Taller people won't be able to lift as heavy of weights because their arms and legs are longer. So people can juice at 6'10" and look completely different than someone who is 5'10".

2) Steroid use is pretty flexible and can be used in all different ways. Arnold used them to retain muscle mass while cutting fat. It all depends on how much you eat really. Track stars are known for juicing and they certainly don't look like Bonds.

 

[BigGreenMat]

1) Taller people won't be able to lift as heavy of weights because their arms and legs are longer. So people can juice at 6'10" and look completely different than someone who is 5'10".

2) Steroid use is pretty flexible and can be used in all different ways. Arnold used them to retain muscle mass while cutting fat. It all depends on how much you eat really. Track stars are known for juicing and they certainly don't look like Bonds.

Um are you kidding me? Have you seen track stars in person? The sprinters are freaking HUGE and extremely muscular. Check out Gatlin and some of the other top guys. They are quite large. Anabolic Steroids no matter how you take them aid in gaining muscle mass which is REQUIRED for strength gains. Now they also have to some degree an unlocking effect in which muscle contraction seems less inhibited, but still steroids work through increasing protein uptake and incorporation which means quicker recovery and growth.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I'm more suspicious of Bron's "real" age over any 'roids :lol

No shit, he was basically diesel in HS