Coffee Dog
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hypothetical white lives >>>>>> real black ones
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MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge
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Kid Kamikaze10
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He probably would. And they'd be disruptive as hell and make people hate him.
Just as they did back then.
Why should the protesters think otherwise?
EDIT: Also, he's fucking dead. The government made sure of that, because he was disruptive.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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He's dead though
DontBeThatGuy
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You should be a little more careful with your ignorant mud slinging and asinine comparisons, because it's a terrible look.
Sure, but by that logic, everyone who isn't already supporting BLM is worthless for not picking a side and giving a shit by now; so why have the protest at all?
Like it or not, those people are voters, they're part of the culture you're trying to change. They're not going to be fired up by your zeal if you try to make them pay attention to you by tripping them up.
Tesseract
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ok i guess we're done, was fun guys
Gordon Shumway
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Tesseract..you playing this one well, homie lol.
Coffee Dog
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guys
protests are not about making people agree
they are about forcing people to make the protests stop
Vicetrailia
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You said I vilified you. But nothing that you are saying makes sense, and now it is getting worse.
MiniBossBattle
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I guess it wasn't Black Lives matter but Black Health Matters including black transgender people.
But whatever please continue with your tit for tat posting.
But whatever please continue with your tit for tat posting.
Jeffolation
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How would you keep people from protesting?
I just said that I accept that my ignorance to the exact roads plays a factor. Do you want me to go to the city, look at the roads, see the hospitals, etc, come back, and then post what I think? I said in an earlier post that I draw the line with disruptive protests when they disrupt important services like fire fighters and ambulances. From the outside perspective, this protest absolutely appears to cross that line. Obviously, a part of that perspective is based on assumption, since I don't know the major roadways or locations of hospitals/fire stations.
The thing is MLK looked at how other forms of protests worked around the world and saw what was effective. And to this day,t he most successful protests are still ones that disrupt the lives of the complacent and force people to take action. It is a strange thing to know what MLK did and think that he would do something differently than what continues to be very effective.
Even in the 60s it wasn't instant success. After endless ass beatings and headlines the Civil Rights Movement barely got what it wanted and still had to compromise. BLM has been at it for two(three?) years so it can't be said that they're ineffective since these moves take huge amounts of time in the United State be they for the rights of racial minorities, gays, children or women.
A Link to the Past
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Can you elaborate?
Like it was pointed out in this thread MLK 35% approval rating. And he made progress, shit won;t change over night. But it will change, folks just got to decide what side of history they want to be on.
I'm not sure it matters how you'd define on over the other, I'd imagine most people would be complicit in serious moral abuses by the standard used in this thread.
Is there a point to this?
BLM forced both candidates to acknowledge police brutality by interrupting campaign events. There wouldn't even be any questions related to police violence in these debates if BLM protested "the right way" because when you protest "the right way," people are content to ignore you.
Do you feel like explaining how? In 1965, people still had places to go and things to do. That hasn't changed in the slightest.
You keep saying this and then keep coming back a few minutes later.
How are they not the same thing? Genuinely curious as to how they are not the same.
I gave reasoning as to why such a protest is actually LESS disruptive nowadays than it would have been in the 1960s. Before the advent and unbiquitous distribution of such traffic monitoring technology emergency vehicles would have been caught. Now, they have advanced notification and can avoid the protest - and if they are caught at the very front right as the protest begins, the protesters can let them through.
That's so not the point. LOL
What doesn't make sense? I am against blocking important services. This protest appears to do that. I don't know the roads, so I can't really say for certain how it impedes the services, but it seemed like a safe assumption. If I am wrong and the roads blocked don't impact those services, then my view on the protest will change.
Subpar Spatula
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People have been telling you for a while that this does not occur and you keep going on about it.
It's quite obvious you know you're wrong on this matter.
Where is the vote to stop police targeting and killing black Americans?
Listen, you shouldn't need to be convinced that it is wrong. I think most people know that it is. But the apathy among Americans who are not the ones being targeted is what is causing no change to happen. Order over change. Protests need to shake people from their apathy.
A Link to the Past
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Because you're conflating ignorance with willful ignorance?
Willful ignorance is a choice, it's not something that just happens. If you're willfully ignorant, you're making a conscious effort to be ignorant.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Against blocking public service?
Dude, Montgomery Bus Boycott?
Dude, Montgomery Bus Boycott?
I'm pretty sure it will just make the people inconveniences annoyed by a particular group of peoples choice of protest.
It's only arm chair racists that try to use this to downplay a larger issue. I think it can at least be acknowledged that it's a privileged position when you can withhold support for a disenfranchised demographic on account of them not protesting in a 100% sanctioned pre-approved non-confronting manner.
adamsappel
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I just want a sandwich, and these Negroes are taking up all the counter seats!
That's an excellent point. I can't disagree, and I appreciate the wake-up.
NoblesseOblige
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I consider myself somewhat proof that these sort of protests have value. The first time I read about BLM disrupting something my first thought were "that was stupid, they're not doing themselves any good acting like that." But then I did this thing where I took a step back, shut-up, and listened where others are coming from and came to realize that this is exactly what needs to be done. Disrupting those who oblige the status quo. Sure there's going to be some people who just get mad and throw fit about it, but those people were already apathetic and weren't going to do any good anyway. I'm at least more personally committed to listening and even voting with the struggles of others in mind.
I believe that eventually something good cannot be vilified in the ultimate end. It's a battle of persistence.
That's good - that angle needs to continue to be pushed. Maybe try to schedule interviews on popular day time television shows. I feel that's the road to positive changes.
Stop trolling the thread. I can safely say that people of all color where stuck in traffic and disrupted by this blockage.
Who said that? And who said it's okay for black people to lose their lives?
Yes, I made a thread where I said that I think I sometimes made judgements on people from their appearance. I attributed certain patterns of clothing, speech, mannerisms, and so on with some sort of criminal life style. It wasn't ever due to a racial thing. I'd say it stemmed from my interactions with people who were either thieves or bullies having that kind of persona when growing up, both black or white. It was evident from that thread that people took "ghetto" to be code word for "shady black people", but that wasn't my use for it at all. I made that thread to be outspoken about it because I felt that I shouldn't feel that way about it. I didn't like that a white or black guy could dress or talk a certain way, and I would treat them like they were shady in the back of my head. I felt that it was a behavior that had become ingrained into me without me realizing it and I wanted to change it and felt openly talking about it would help.
The point of protests is to fight back against the establishment and to act as a means of non-violent attack on their interests and power structure. Only through disruption of what they control can you begin to see capitulation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is looking through rose colored glasses IMO
Like I said, which by this threads standard is probably something everyone is guilty of. If you want to get into the weeds of what qualifies as what it's not going to help your case.
Tesseract
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you kinda have to when you're name dropped so much, but i meant it this time. not worth the blood pressure, i'll get back to protesting for blm in ways that honor mlk's legacy
A Link to the Past
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What standards? I truly have no idea what you are trying to communicate. Why are people inherently willfully ignorant, and by what standards? Please don't continue giving me super vague posts that require I ask you again.
Coffee Dog
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it's not about saying it's okay
it's about bending over backwards to justifying keeping things the way they are, which you have been demonstrating beautifully
the people inconvenienced and the fantasy of the suddenly endangered white populace do not outweigh what is being accomplished. full stop.
Voysa Reezun
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Uh huh, I bet. You seem like you care quite a bit about helping the monsters and pieces of shit who would just like to stop being wantonly shot by police.
**holds fist up**
Thanks for being so into the struggle unless you can't get where you want to go on your bus route for a day! True commitment there!
No I haven't. I have been arguing for alternate solutions and approaches. Yet again you throw around absolute statements which aren't true.
Subpar Scrub
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By the way, if people interpreted my previous comments to mean that I dislike the BLM movement or won't support it now or something, that isn't the case at all.
Just wanted to clarify that for the people who may have thought that was the case.
Just wanted to clarify that for the people who may have thought that was the case.
freeofgreed
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Well nobody has time for Americans to suddenly realize that killing black people is wrong, immediate action is needed and that some times requires drastic measures. Instead of wasting your time in this shaming these protesters why don't you talk to your friends and family and tell them how they shouldn't be mad at the protesters but ultimately what is causing the protests.
Coffee Dog
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lollllll
i'm sure MLK is honored by the dogwhistles of "wrong time, wrong place, not yet"
I'm not sure why you're having such a hard time, and you're the one who brought up the digression about definitions. I responded to someone who mentioned willful ignorance and said he's probably guilty of the same. The implication being he shouldn't be so quick to judge.
It hasn't stopped. But, celebrity co-signs can only take a movement so far and the vast majority of work is done by people whoa re on the ground everyday organizing protests and recruiting. The most effective way to keep an item in the news is to create news and it's very easy for people to ignore Beyonce tweeting some BLM support or Kendrick Lamar dropping by The View and very hard to ignore traffic coming to a crawl in one of the largest cities in the world.
Big Baybee
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So you are saying that these protesters doing something MLK was known for, beaten for, and arrested for is dishonoring him? Are you just trolling?
I don't think appealing to King is useful at all -- not just because he's dead... But also because people have whitewashed his legacy.
People aren't going to pay attention to a protest that isn't disruptive. But it's okay when the protest is for a righteous cause.
Yes, the powerful driver of social change that is the daytime television audience
Thanks. Not often do I make good points. haha
I didn't think that was the case. Just remember to stay focused on what is important in the long run.
If you think that BLM blocking traffic during a protest is an affront to MLK's legacy, you clearly have no idea what that legacy even means.
Since I'm sure you're going to be back eventually, I'll go ahead and (again) ask the question you keep ignoring: how is today radically different than the 1950s and 60s? What makes it so much faster?
He says King wouldn't have protested in this manner today because 2016 is so much "faster" than the 1950s, but he refuses to explain how it's faster.
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