freeofgreed
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To you. But go look at that thread, plenty of people considered that protest to be bad for whatever reason. Sadly Metrotab's view on what's a good or bad protest isn't the standard.
MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge
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To you. But go look at that thread, plenty of people considered that protest to be bad for whatever reason. Sadly Metrotab's view on what's a good or bad protest isn't the standard.
theignoramus
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aaaaw sheeeit.
There is some middle ground between do something with full disregard of potential outcomes and don't do anything until the outcome is certain.
MHWilliams
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I didn't answer your hypothetical because I figured you wouldn't answer mine. Because it's a random hypothetical.
Gordon Shumway
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Robert E. Lee festivals to attend ;P
BreezyLimbo
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And I would say peacefully blocking a road with no malintent lies in that middle ground. It's too easy coming up with hypotheticals.
"You can't block that road! What if a doctor is passing through here!?"
"You can't block that crosswalk! What if a car plows through you?"
"You can't block that sidewalk! What if a bicyclist carrying a baby crashes into you?"
etc.
Whether it's a road they block, or a sidewalk, or a park, or an entrance to a building, people would find an excuse to attack the protesters.
theignoramus
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The protesters didnt block the emergency service road, which is the road the cops used to pull up, cut their chains and arrest them. This "but what if" nonsense about an ambulance potentially being impeded is precisely that;nonsense.
I think it's more that too many people would find themselves homeless real quick if they try to do it, way before rich people are impacted in any meaningful way.
As Johann Most said - "it is the lash of hunger which compels the poor man to submit".
Gordon Shumway
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He must hate dogs too..
And gas being as extensive as it is right now in Florida, I can totally understand..
#1 is different from #2 and #3 because it takes some form of action on the non-protester. A car driver should see people on the crosswalk, and a bicyclist carrying a baby should pay attention on the sidewalk.
However, blocking a road can cause traffic jams, and emergency surgeons/people who need medical attention can get stuck in traffic jams, without any fault of their own but taking a bad day to require traffic to actually flow through that specific point.
Captin Quacker
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BreezyLimbo
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The point is
All of those are random events, just like these emergency surgeons who need medical attention are stuck on the bridge. All hypothetical, all unrelated.
Jeffolation
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So if this is accurate then I guess the people expressing their worries about babies being on fire or whatever convoluted arguments they had against this protest should evaporate shortly.
Zomba13
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and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
Oh wow. What a shit bag.
TheOctodad
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and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
That's disgusting.
EatinOlives
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and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
The police encouraging violence against black protesters, who are protesting that black lives are to be valued...on MLK Day...
Can't make this shit up.
Crimson_Gold
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and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
When there's a will. He's just saying the protesters are nothing more than humanoid speed bumps. Upon further reflection, the system views them that way as well.
theignoramus
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and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
Gross. I'm sure he'll apologize and talk about how he isn't racist and only had a moment of lapsed judgement or some bullshit.
Gordon Shumway
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How do you read a single page of this thread and think facts matter to those people?
this. they're so ingrained in their bullshit they'll just move the goalposts.
By shortly you mean another 5 or so pages?
"One of them"? I doubt you read into that thread.
MHWilliams
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Do others believe that that previous protests, including the Selma-to-Montgomery march or the Chicago Freedom Movement were wrong? Given the same problem inherent in those actions, do you believe those actions shouldn't have happened and the gains made through them are the positive results of a negative action?
nah, I read it. you're exactly what I think you are.
TheOctodad
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I'm sorry, but I'm against this attitude. They may, but writing people off isn't going to win people over. And I've seen so many people in the past come around (people that I never thought would) when people were kind, consistent, and patient with them.
Guess I'm just a prisoner of hope though
I'm sorry, but I'm against this attitude. They may, but writing people off isn't going to win people over. And I've seen so many people in the past come around (people that I never thought would) when people were kind, consistent, and patient with them.
Guess I'm just a prisoner of hope though
I'll believe it when I see it. The ones I'm speaking of in here show no signs of that. They double down on that atrocious shit. They're just speedbumps on the way to progress.
TheOctodad
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I'm for them, I'm for BLM, I'm for protesting.
Doesn't mean I won't occasionally question a specific protest though.
I'm not sure the bridge effort was the most effective, nor am I sure it will garner any appreciation from critics. That said, when I heard about it I thought, "Good for them, I hope the outcome is what they hoped."
I'd just probably be hesitant to choose it for myself if I was going to protest.
TheOctodad
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I refuse to dehumanize anyone to the point of calling them "speed bumps on the way to progress."
and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
I wonder if that piece of garbage posts here...
hmm...
I'm a black guy who got changed schools in middle school and high schoolto a more urban area where I was mocked and bullied by people of all races for not "acting black". These people were of different races but came from the same environment. Those that bullied and stole from me had some similarities due to the area. Growing up, I developed a bias against people that shared those attributes. As I got older, I started to notice that my bias wasn't fair, even if I didn't explicitly acted on those biases. I decided it would be good for me to be open about my bias because I felt talking about it would help me avoid it. I figured it would be better than trying to deny it or downplay it. That thread was made over a year and I think I've made a lot of improvements on making immediate judgements like I used to before.
Is that the kind of person you thought I am?
MHWilliams
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of course
Gordon Shumway
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Just being honest..
It makes me feel better about it. I guess the way I look at it is if I were in charge of the protest, I'd still be the guy saying "lets find another way of doing a disruptive protest". I've never been on the side of people saying these protestors are bad or anything. I just felt from the start that theyir methods crossed a line I felt shouldn't be crossed. Not due to moral reprehension, but due to an unease of wanting to do the same.
MHWilliams
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Understandable. I get that. One can certainly look at the protest and decide if it was the right time or venue for it.
Backlash, I'm less worried about, because in the end, most past protests have caused a significant amount of backlash, as society tends to prefer holding onto a status quo.
Given this protest today on MLK Day for BLM and the relatively short nature of the thing before arrests were made? I'd say that's a solid protest action.
WordsintheWater
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The only reason I would take issue with any of this is if they blocked emergency access, because they did not then more power to them. Drastic measures such as these need to be taken in order to get the point across because it seems like not enough people are understanding of the kind of struggle others are going through. I'm not black so I can't relate to the race part of the struggles, but I am a human who can directly relate to the inhumane treatment of black people by the police. Being able to shut this out because it's not happening to you isn't valid in my opinion, we are all apart of the human race and injustices to our fellow man should make us all mad, not just those who are directly affected.
I'm not racist, but...
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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"I don't like your protest, so you should be run over, and then you'll certainly be found at fault by the system you're protesting against."
and here we are wasting time with hypothetical nonsense
Judging past protests isn't useful because their results are set in stone. I'm assuming that nobody was denied medical attention due to those protests, so obviously they were positive events.
However; traffic obstruction potentially endangers lives completely unrelated to the protest every time it happens. It seems I'm just much less willing to play those odds than the people in this thread. I don't think any specific form of protest is worth causing hypothetical loss of life.
It's good to hear that they left the emergency road open. That's an important caveat. I hope BLM protesters will make sure that emergency traffic can reasonably proceed in every traffic blockade they organize.
I'm sorry, but I'm against this attitude. They may, but writing people off isn't going to win people over. And I've seen so many people in the past come around (people that I never thought would) when people were kind, consistent, and patient with them.
Guess I'm just a prisoner of hope though
We've had thread upon thread of the same shit, with the same posters posting the same shit and receiving the same rebuttals. There are a bunch of civil rights groups that do exactly what diet racists ask: protest in protest zones, fight against black on black crime, lobby for the fixing of gerrymandering districts so as to allow blacks to maybe one-day integrate into society. But the Two Worlds of America don't give a shit. They believe the lie of the American Dream and think that we're just complaining, because they had it hard too, and why can't we just see that? Meanwhile, the "bold" get to terrorize us and be humanized.
MHWilliams
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The potential remains the same. The only difference is those events have passed and nothing happened. (Actually, we have no clue if nothing happened without looking through old newspapers.)
The bolded is the core of the matter from your perspective. On that point, the "hypothetical" is the part where many quibble with you because it's such a broad concept and they may have more attachment and experience with the cause being expressed in the protest.
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