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[Particle Physicist]

If he's made the guardian, yeah.

Would be incredibly ironic, no?

She should have moved in with the grandfather then and establish residence. I hate people who pull this crap. It's the reason for severe overcrowding in Philadelphia schools. When it's 200-300 kids a school it's a big deal and I can say that does happen.

She should have tried not being black as well. Sounds like it made her kids stick out like a sore thumb.

What are your thoughts about the 30-40 other cases that never went to trial?

 

[Jenga]

you know what, instead of blaming all of america for the decisions of one silly school district, i'm gonna blame the people that really deserve the shit

EUROPEANS

what the fuck europe?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

if the other schools are so shitty that the parents see their kids doing better in an overcrowded school then i just cant blame them.

sure, the ultimate solution to this is a shitload of good schools but thats just not gunna happen anytime soon in the US. and that isnt a solution that parents themselves can enact.

Then she should MOVE. Tons of parents make that sacrifice, why can't she? Causing overcrowding at another school is going to help how?

 

[suzu]

That school and judge have no heart..

If they're gonna prosecute her, why not any of the previous cases?

 

[Slavik81]

any mom that goes well out of there way to get their kids into a better public school deserves to have her kids let in there.

with a good school, and a mom like that you know itll work out.

besides, i doubt there isnt one extra damn chair in that school

Every single one of those children in the bad school deserve better. Not just her children.

Their grandfather lives in that district and pays taxes there. Why should his grandkids be barred?

I don't know. Perhaps they should amend the law to account for that and issue her a pardon.

 

[Sharp]

http://www.copley.oh.us/board-of-trustees

Its their own township? With their own board of trustees? Who serve as the legislative and executive part of a city hall? Obviously the judge is just as bad.

Its like a goddamn white paradise.

Wow...

This definitely needs more MSM attention.

 

[Sai-kun]

Wow, this is fucking awful.

Wow wow wow. :/

 

[-COOLIO-]

Then she should MOVE. Tons of parents make that sacrifice, why can't she? Causing overcrowding at another school is going to help how?

i doubt it's that easy and she's making a sacrifice already, probably much more of a sacrifice than the other parents of students at that school. the whole reason this is news is because of how upstanding the mom is.

this strikes the same chord with me as the whole illegal aliens debate. you have people who are pretty much just lucky trying to defend what they have from people who're trying harder.

 

[mavs]

I am just curious to what the school district demands when they catch you committing fraud.

$30,000 in tuition, according to that article.

 

[Cloudy]

Then she should MOVE. Tons of parents make that sacrifice, why can't she? Causing overcrowding at another school is going to help how?

Yeah it's real easy for someone to just move from a bad neighborhood to a good one! (Like they were there by choice)

 

[The Technomancer]

That she had to do that is the worst part. When we have schools that are so bad that people are driven to this...

 

[Particle Physicist]

According to my link I posted:




Obviously, the district confronted her with the evidence and there must have been some demands she wouldn't make and then they felt "forced" to take her to court. I am just curious to what the school district demands when they catch you committing fraud.

I'm looking through some of the earlier articles.. it's all kind of shady really:


http://www.ohio.com/news/112920979.html

However, court records show that Williams-Bolar and her father believed they had permission to keep the children in the Copley-Fairlawn schools, through June 2008, while a ''residency dispute'' issue was being investigated by the Ohio Department of Education.

In a letter from the education department, dated Jan. 17, 2008, the Copley-Fairlawn school district superintendent and an attorney for Williams-Bolar were informed that, after receiving input on the issue from only one side, ''the department is considering the matter closed at this time.''



Both sides were given two weeks to explain their positions to the state education department's assistant legal counsel, but only the attorney for Williams-Bolar did, the letter stated.

Fifteen months after the children were enrolled in another school district in the fall of 2008, Williams-Bolar and her father were indicted on the tampering and theft charges — without receiving any other communications from Copley-Fairlawn school officials, court records show.

 

[Devolution]

Then she should MOVE. Tons of parents make that sacrifice, why can't she? Causing overcrowding at another school is going to help how?

I like how you're demanding things of her without knowing her situation at all. Also are there people in here chiding her for real? You must not know what a shit school is, keeping her kids at that highschool isn't going to magically make it better, stop being idiots.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Every single one of those children in the bad school deserve better. Not just her children.

true, which is why i think every child should be let in until the schools are equally shitty. either theyll equalize to the same standard of education, or theyll all plummet and the issue of educational funding will be more prevalent for even the richer neighborhoods.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Would be incredibly ironic, no?

Life is full of irony.

What are your thoughts about the 30-40 other cases that never went to trial?

Apparently she shouldn't have been a hard case.

After not being able to resolve claims with Williams-Bolar, the district took the extraordinary measure of taking her to court where she was convicted on two counts of tampering with records.

Personally I don't find the jail time really needed or anything, just the kids kicking out and assigned to the proper school based on residence.

Still the action itself (confronting her) was right, when you tolerate this, the problem keeps spiraling.

 

[ToxicAdam]

$30,000 in tuition, according to that article.

Well, that's what they valued the tuition at for court reasons. But, I wonder what the REAL sum was they demanded of her.

 

[Slavik81]

true, which is why i think every child should be let in until the schools are equally shitty. either theyll equalize to the same standard of education, or theyll all plummet and the issue of educational funding will be more prevalent for even the richer neighborhoods.

Well, that's at least fair.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Apparently she shouldn't have been a hard case.

How so? Look at the post I just made, apparently there was very little communication with her before they decided to prosecute.

Still the action itself (confronting her) was right, when you tolerate this, the problem keeps spiraling.

Have I argued otherwise?

 

[suzu]

I just find it totally ridiculous that they are hitting her with a felony conviction. Wtf.

 

[zoku88]

Every single one of those children in the bad school deserve better. Not just her children.

Are you saying it should have been all or nothing?

Aka, it should be all of the kids or none of them at all?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yeah it's real easy for someone to just move from a bad neighborhood to a good one! (Like they were there by choice)

No one said it's easy, but that doesn't stop tons of parents (including my own) from doing it.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I'm looking through some of the earlier articles.. it's all kind of shady really:


http://www.ohio.com/news/112920979.html

Hmm .. interesting.


Let's hope she wins her appeal.

 

[Devolution]

Every single one of those children in the bad school deserve better. Not just her children.

And yet you're chiding her for the inadequacies of the original school district. Yes, all of those kids deserve a better education but the reality is, they're not getting it and she was going out of her way to try to get her kids a better chance.

Seems to me you should be pissing and moaning about the schools failing their kids without bringing what she did into the mix.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

How so? Look at the post I just made, apparently there was very little communication with her before they decided to prosecute.

I was just trying to find communicate what appears to be the difference between the other cases. Hard case was just sarcasm.

Have I argued otherwise?

No, it was a general retort.

 

[-COOLIO-]

No one said it's easy, but that doesn't stop tons of parents (including my own) from doing it.

for some it's pretty much impossible, who knows what her life is like though.

 

[thetechkid]

No one said it's easy, but that doesn't stop tons of parents (including my own) from doing it.

And people who can't just move to a better place, find other ways to deal with it. Its not like everyone who lives in a bad neighborhood can just move, and if that means falsifying some records so that your kids can go to a better school then they will do it.

 

[exarkun]

Isn't there some statute of limitations on this claim? Why'd the school wait so long? I smell terrible lawyering on the part of her defense.

That said, lets be real. How many black parents in government housing really care about their kids education? I'll let you know: not many. The mere fact that she was so astute to their quality of education and her trying to make more money is something you don't see in that many poor black parents. Thats why I'm upset. Mine weren't like that cause they are african. But my friends, not so lucky. And it started at home. This is the precise kind of parent that charter schools are looking for and what the government claims they are looking for in providing lower income housing (to help parents and the children's quality of life so they can concentrate on bettering themselves).

So yes, fuck you Akron Ohio.

 

[timetokill]

That sucks That's really terrible.

As somebody who went to school out of district, they are very obnoxious about making sure you go to the "appropriate" school.

It's a shame you can't choose which school your children go to, and encourage competition between the schools to actually improve and not just soak up money.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

And people who can't just move to a better place, find other ways to deal with it. Its not like everyone who lives in a bad neighborhood can just move, and if that means falsifying some records so that your kids can go to a better school then they will do it.

Then they should be ready to accept the consequences.

 

[Gattsu25]

According to my link I posted:




Obviously, the district confronted her with the evidence and there must have been some demands she wouldn't make and then they felt "forced" to take her to court. I am just curious to what the school district demands when they catch you committing fraud.

Knowing this country, I wouldn't be shocked if having her give up custody of her children was one of the options to avoid the felony charge.

Either way, all the people involved in landing her with a felony conviction are heartless cunts.

 

[Devolution]

and encourage competition between the schools to actually improve and not just soak up money.

What money?

Continual testing (and No Child Left Behind, god what a troll of a name) and state economics have pretty much ruined the state of education.

 

[soundscream]

No one said it's easy, but that doesn't stop tons of parents (including my own) from doing it.

Single mother, going to college, doesn't scream a large amount of discretionary income.

 

[BlueWord]

This actually makes me angry. What the fuck is this shit, really?

 

[Oozer3993]

I wonder how the district "resolved" those 40 some cases in the past? Was there money exchanged and children forced out of the district? Did this poor woman get bad advice from her lawyer to go to court because the jury would never rule against her?


So many questions ...

Yes. Those families agreed to pay back the money or at least some amount of it. Williams-Bolar was the only one who refused. Hence the trial.

any mom that goes well out of there way to get their kids into a better public school deserves to have her kids let in there.

with a good school, and a mom like that you know itll work out.

besides, i doubt there isnt one extra damn chair in that school

It wasn't "one extra chair," the Copley school district lost out on $30,500 it would have gotten had she paid out-of-district tuition like she was supposed to. She falsified the documents to show that her kids lived in Copley so she wouldn't have to pay.

What money?

Continual testing (and No Child Left Behind, god what a troll of a name) and state economics have pretty much ruined the state of education.

The Copley schools (the school she committed fraud to get her kids in) spend less money than Akron schools, where her kids should have gone. By a significant margin.

Some would argue the whole problem boils down to the state's unconstitutional formula for school funding. That's a problem, but only part of it. Copley's annual per-pupil expenditure is $9,928 (only $2,071 coming from the state), while Akron's is $13,200 ($6,601 from the state).

Note that despite spending less money per pupil than Akron, they take in more money from taxes in their district than Akron.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Then they should be ready to accept the consequences.

same with the guy who got his hand cut off for stealing bread in the middle ages eh?

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Fucking sick. What she did was fraud and it is in their right to take her to court, but honestly, where is the common sense or decency?

 

[-COOLIO-]

Yes. Those families agreed to pay back the money or at least some amount of it. Williams-Bolar was the only one who refused. Hence the trial.



It wasn't "one extra chair," the Copley school district lost out on $30,500 it would have gotten had she paid out-of-district tuition like she was supposed to. She falsified the documents to show that her kids lived in Copley so she wouldn't have to pay.

does anyone actually consider that as a viable option though?

 

[Kusagari]

Then they should be ready to accept the consequences.

I'd love to know if any other case of this has EVER resulted in a felony.

 

[thetechkid]

Then they should be ready to accept the consequences.

The consequences from this story are fucking retarded, and I believe there shouldn't be any consequences for doing this.

 

[Slavik81]

Are you saying it should have been all or nothing?
Aka, it should be all of the kids or none of them at all?

Maybe. She at least has some connection to the district she was going for.

But yes. I think that it should be fair. This sort of thing should not be exclusively for people who flout the law. Either everyone should be able to or nobody should be able to.

Presently, the rules are that nobody should be able to, and if that's how things are going to be, the rules should be enforced. If you're not going to enforce the rules when people break them, then the rules are wrong and need to be changed.

I'm don't have much preference for either option. But pick one set of rules and enforce them. Though perhaps with more sensible penalties than were chosen here.

 

[Kai Dracon]

The fact that she was studying to get into education is proof enough that she was cognizant of determining school quality. I'm only guessing here, but I'd assume she would be better qualified than most parents to help supplement her children's education at home. And the fact that she didn't settle for just that, but felt it necessary to get her children to a different school altogether is then probably a very significant comment on the schools in her district.

 

[exarkun]

Yes. Those families agreed to pay back the money or at least some amount of it. Williams-Bolar was the only one who refused. Hence the trial.



It wasn't "one extra chair," the Copley school district lost out on $30,500 it would have gotten had she paid out-of-district tuition like she was supposed to. She falsified the documents to show that her kids lived in Copley so she wouldn't have to pay.

Omg please don't tell me thats for one year? For that amount, she could have sent her kids to one of the best college preps that I know of. I highly doubt any primary education you get in Akron, Ohio is going to be worth that much.

 

[totowhoa]

http://www.ohio.com/news/112920979.html

Patrick Gallaway, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Education, said the department has no research showing how many times such cases have resulted in criminal prosecutions in the state.

''It's definitely something that's not a common occurrence. It could have happened, but we just don't know about it in other parts of the state,'' Gallaway said.

The DoE has no idea, except that it's rare and may have possibly happened before? Yeah, I hate one to pull the race card, but a poor black person sending their kids fraudulently to a predominantly white and safe school. The school itself went on the record saying that this happens 15 - 20 times per year... but there's not hardly ever a felony charge? Fucking stupid. Dealing out punishment is understandable. You can't go around breaking the system without a punishment of some sort. This is fucked up, though.

Reminds me of the poor (financially) black lady who got 13 years for stealing a purse. (Well, it's not that harsh, though. Still bad).

Probably better, more legal ways to do this, but I'm sure it was far from easy... single mother of two, probably working. Chances are, some event(s) at her children's previous schools spurred her to do this as quickly as possible, and this was the most convenient way to do it before finishing her degree and getting to move out with a good job elsewhere. Welp, there goes that. Enjoy the impoverished part of town for the rest of your life; hopefully your kids turn out well! Fuck

 

[thetechkid]

does anyone actually consider that as a viable option though?

From my experience no, everyone always chooses to find some way to say they live somewhere in the district.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Knowing this country, I wouldn't be shocked if having her give up custody of her children was one of the options to avoid the felony charge.

Either way, all the people involved in landing her with a felony conviction are heartless cunts.

Come on, man.

Yes. Those families agreed to pay back the money or at least some amount of it. Williams-Bolar was the only one who refused. Hence the trial.

That's what I figured. Thanks.


That's still a hell of a bill for anyone not "expecting" it.

 

[Oozer3993]

Omg please don't tell me thats for one year? For that amount, she could have sent her kids to one of the best college preps that I know of. I highly doubt any primary education you get in Akron, Ohio is going to be worth that much.

No, that's over the length of time the kids were in the schools (2 years x 2 kids x roughly $7000 a year per kid).

 

[-COOLIO-]

No, that's over the length of time the kids were in the schools (2 years x 2 kids x roughly $7000 a year per kid).

that still doesnt sound anywhere near reasonable

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

same with the guy who got his hand cut off for stealing bread in the middle ages eh?

Same with the man who raped a pregnant woman. Hey if we're doing strawman arguments lets get creative at least. lol

that still doesnt sound anywhere near reasonable

http://putourkidsfirst.com/kidsfirst/nat_money.asp

It's actually on average $8,000

 

[exarkun]

No, that's over the length of time the kids were in the schools (2 years x 2 kids x roughly $7000 a year per kid).

Ok I guess, but that must be some quality ass public education.

http://www.copley-fairlawn.org/copleyfairlawn/site/default.asp

The school districts website. Bleh. Honestly, she should have done what a lot of parents do. Drop the kids off at the school/bus stop. Tell the kids to go to granpa's afterwards. Let them stay there for a few hours, pick them up. I know it inconveniences grampy, but it would have made things hard for the school to prove.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Yes. Those families agreed to pay back the money or at least some amount of it. Williams-Bolar was the only one who refused. Hence the trial.

Then sue her. All those other families conducted fraud as well.. If money was the issue, make a lawsuit, but pushing for criminal charges is disgusting.