Mom jailed for fraudulently sending her kids to safe school
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this is fucking outrageousquadriplegicjon said:
I'm not even entirely sure I understand what she did.
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That is just terrible honestly, they've effectively destroyed her future for wanting her kids to have a better future, I can semi understand the jail sentence but to disallow her teaching degree, wow.
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is this some American law I'm unfamiliar with? you don't have the right to choose which public school you send your kids to? was she claiming some sort of government benefit?
the article is unclear.
the article is unclear.
Those examples are stupid as shit and have nothing to do with the case in question.Enosh said:
She just send her kids to a different school,wow that's some huge fucking crime here.
Thousands of people do that legally in Europe,so you really have to be hypocrite to support this law.
If it's the same as the UK then 'catchment' areas are assigned to you according to where you live. You can only choose schools inside that catchment area and it seems this woman went outside of her area. It's more complicated in the states because of the fucked up way they manage taxation. In essence, you have the right to choose a school, but only within a certain area (assuming it's the same as the UK).Rez said:
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Rez said:
Depending on where you live, you are placed into a specific school district. If you are going to public school, your kids can only attend school within their district of residence, and many districts only have one school. As a general rule, poorer neighborhoods have shittier schools, and thus the poor are stuck with poor education as well.
What she did (and what many parents do) is she falsified information about where the children lived in order to put her children in a district where a better public school was. The school found out and is now charging her for fraud.
In short: the public school system here is fucked, and the schools seem to like it that way.
Hopefully, it's been mentioned, but the idea that this mother is a hero or mother of the year is kind of silly.
Honestly, this like was the minimum she could do to ensure her kids have a proper education- like most criminal activity. Our town has the benefit of Magnet schools which accept from all regions, but you have to be a good student. However, the truly gifted criminal parent will give up their kids in order to show their kids are stayiong with relatives in a ceratin district. Now that is dedication. EDIT: Read the in depth article, she did do that. So she has become a more dedicated criminal so props to that....I guess.
Somewhere there is a mother who took another job, put her education on the backburner, and moved into a adequate/good school district. that is the true hero and mom of the year. This one not so much. With that said, it's ridiculous that it escalated to jailtime and the city should be ashamed of themselves. Sufficient punishment would have been to kick the kid out of school and fine the mother at worst.
Honestly, this like was the minimum she could do to ensure her kids have a proper education- like most criminal activity. Our town has the benefit of Magnet schools which accept from all regions, but you have to be a good student. However, the truly gifted criminal parent will give up their kids in order to show their kids are stayiong with relatives in a ceratin district. Now that is dedication. EDIT: Read the in depth article, she did do that. So she has become a more dedicated criminal so props to that....I guess.
Somewhere there is a mother who took another job, put her education on the backburner, and moved into a adequate/good school district. that is the true hero and mom of the year. This one not so much. With that said, it's ridiculous that it escalated to jailtime and the city should be ashamed of themselves. Sufficient punishment would have been to kick the kid out of school and fine the mother at worst.
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yes they do, they also commited a crimminal activity to better their live or the live of others in their familyKurtofan said:
my point being that even if it has good intentions, a crime is still a crime and has to be punished
it is, since beacose of using a false adress she defrauded the school of 30.000$ of payment they would have gotten otherwise, had she enroled her children from her real adress, that is outside the schools zoneKurtofan said:
When did the laws of European countries start to apply in Ohio?Kurtofan said:
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quadriplegicjon said:
What the fuuuuuck, have they completely forgot about the eight amendment?
The case of Furman vs Georgia clearly outlines the four factors that determine cruel or unusual punishment:
-"A punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity."
-"A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
-"A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
-"A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."
The last three undoubtedly apply to this case, the first one arguably applies considering the incredibly minor nature of the "offense".
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Wow at the picture
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exarkun said:
Send them an email with a link
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Report Card for Copley schools
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/2009-2010/DIST/049981.pdf
Akron schools
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/2009-2010/DIST/043489.pdf
Cant fault her.
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/2009-2010/DIST/049981.pdf
Akron schools
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/2009-2010/DIST/043489.pdf
Cant fault her.
Secks4Food said:
Forgery on official documents is a 5 year jail term. That's the law.
She was charged with 2 counts, so that's 10 years. She only has to serve 10 days of that. So, I have a hard time seeing how this is cruel or unusual punishment given how the law stands today.
I side with the woman, but if you want to be black and white about the issue, she committed forgery and received a lenient sentence under the sentencing guidelines of the law.
Not that I don't feel for her, but I wouldn't expect a school to just sit back and let people enroll in their school through illegal and fraudulent means.
I'd say this is a sign that things need to change, but that much is obvious, and the factors at play here are so numerous and complex that it would be decades before situations like this could be fixed, even if anyone were actually serious about solving the root issues here.
I'd say this is a sign that things need to change, but that much is obvious, and the factors at play here are so numerous and complex that it would be decades before situations like this could be fixed, even if anyone were actually serious about solving the root issues here.
kiunchbb said:
It's ridiculous she was jailed.
Rather than writing an angry letter to the school district, write one to the Governor of the state. Unlike most of the people involved, he has the power to pardon crimes.
http://www.governor.ohio.gov/ShareYourIdeas.aspx
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Korey said:
Same! I wonder what fund they tapped into in order to hire this person?!
The curriculum is only part of what makes it a good school. Their attitude plays a role too.Steelrain said:
If they let any Tom, Dick, & Harry's kid into their school district, their numbers would go down if the the curriculum never changes. Plus they would get more complaints from the parents whose kids can't cope.
Until there is a federal/universal standard, which was reviled the last time, there's going to be inequities in the system.
My mom did this for me, the school in my district was terrible so she sent me to another one.
Except she didn't do it illegally. You can go to the school and pay them a fee to let your child go to that school district instead.
Edit: I should say it was not $30k! I went to a private school from Kindergarten through 8th grade and I don't think all of that added up to $30k. For switching districts when I went to High School, I think the fee was only like $300/yr.
Except she didn't do it illegally. You can go to the school and pay them a fee to let your child go to that school district instead.
Edit: I should say it was not $30k! I went to a private school from Kindergarten through 8th grade and I don't think all of that added up to $30k. For switching districts when I went to High School, I think the fee was only like $300/yr.
SmokyDave said:
Public school districts derive their funds from local taxes. If you live in City X, then you pay taxes to City x which go to X School District.
If you pay taxes to City X, but send your kid to Y School District, as someone else said, you may as well be writing hot checks to a private school. At least, that's this city's take on things. They expected to recoup those funds and it looks like they usually drop the charges, but the defendant usually agrees to pay them.
Of course, this is part of the problem with public school districts anyway. No one should have to deal with double pay: giving tuition to a failed school before being able to pay for a desirable one.
Does a Felony w/ jailtime seem excessive? Sure. Should she be fined for her fraud? Yeah, probably, though... there is also a systemic problem - money is being wasted on this other school.
Wow. This is crazy. What was it? 39-40 previous cases? You think if they wanted to send a message they would have done it on the 20th case, or earlier. I am not throwing a race card but they just so happen to convict the black woman with a felony charge without budging.
I think the punishment is excessive and if they wanted the tuition for the years her daughters attended school, they could have sued her instead of convicting her. Sad.
I think the punishment is excessive and if they wanted the tuition for the years her daughters attended school, they could have sued her instead of convicting her. Sad.
I'm assuming that they are saying these were 2 extra kids that didn't deserve it since they weren't contributing to the cost (Especially if they were leeching off other things like lunches and such). Since it's broken down by child, there is still a cost related to them that could have went to someone else or could have been used on other programs.mcrae said:
It's not made completely clear.
She may have cost them the most money or fought the hardest consider the comments her dad said, it was their right to send the kids there since he helped them.tirminyl said:
I think race is inevitably involved because the bad school may be predominantly black. The judge also has a screw loose imo. However, there's obviously blacks in the neighborhood for the grandfather to be there. His home looked rather modest to boot.
EDIT: I guess she could have been the straw that broke the camel's back too. 40 seems a bit high of a figure to have to deal with. I'm still going with the thought that she lied the most and thus costs the most to deal with.
What if everybody does it?Baconbitz said:
The good school becomes overcrowded, underfunded, and ceases to be a good school. The bad school dies on it's arse due to a lack of funding and the only pupils attending the school are the true 'bottom of the barrel'. That makes the results of the bad school look even worse.
It isn't as simple as 'I want to, so I will do'.
Edit: This is still unfair as fuck, predominantly because others were allowed to get away with exactly the same thing. Punish all or punish none.
Actually, the bad school will be better off since her taxes would contribute but her kids would not be there.SmokyDave said:
I think this is a result of the weird ultra localisation of everything in the US, it is so splintered that heaps of stuff changes when you move a small distance.
Based on where you live, is where you go to School at. You pay the District's Tax rate to say. So if you are in a shitty district, your normally pay much less in taxes, then a nicer one(Hell, this is probably the biggest distinction between good and bad areas). So if she is sending her kids to a school where people pay high taxes to live there, yet she isn't living there. It is fraud since your not paying for the services.Rez said:
It's basically bullshit all around.
In no way, should she have to transfer her kids out of a school due to safety reasons. The quality across the nation sorely needs to be standardized. Where everyone and anyone who wants to learn in a safe environment can. Federal, State, and District, the largest amount of budget should always go to fucking education. Yet, they continue to flail on it year in and out. Where some school might as well be waste zones.
But at the same time, there will always be people with more money than others and if they want to invest more into Schools. Then I really don't think the schools should be force to take on people who can't afford it either, and eat the losses. Dragging down their own system.
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