Moot resigns from Admin Position from 4chan

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...and so it ends... and begins

THE POWER VACUUM

zeemumu said:
There must always be a Lich King.
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Good riddance. He changed a lot after canv.as failure,trying it with the CEO-ish bullshit. 4chan will be fine without him.

Best of luck to him, though.
 
SliceSabre said:
I assume it was moreso because it, meaning the threads in /v/, was used as a staging ground to dox people since /pol/ and /b/ on a second by second basis say more disgusting things than gamergate.
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Exactly.

In any case I have a healthy respect for moot. His talk about internet anonymity really made me respect him more than his semi-hands-off-"let-the-community-kinda-police-itself" approach to 4chan did already.
 
Wait? I'm older than moot? Wait, 4chan was founded after I turned 20? I could have sworn I avoided 4chan as a teenager, but I guess not.

Makes a lot of sense as to why I haven't gone to 4chan very much, I was actually too old for it. WTF?

I'm also surprised moot didn't make any money. Could he even sell it? I can't believe NEOGAF is worth more than 4chan, but here we are.
 
Azula said:
Don't get me wrong, I agree with his decision. But what I mean is, what he was doing was at odds with the very thing he championed and created. I guess it took him being personally impacted before he realized that what he created isn't always great.

I guess all I'm saying is, 4chan as a concept, is at odds with his actions. I wonder if that is a reason he's stepping down.
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As someone that has been using 4chan since late 2006 I can say that 4chan was never about being a "lawless" place and more to be a counter culture type of site. There have always been rules to post on 4chan, most of it which were never put in practices, some that were created after the fact after thing the community did (like the no doxing or raiding).

4Chan was always primary a place where name,tags,status,longevity, etc etc in a community didn't matter at all and the only thing important was the discussion at hand. Sure anonymity brings out as well not just a raw discussion in is more pure state (where identity, work, place of residence, post history etc etc doesn't matter at all leaving only your statements) but also a filterless discussion where people isn't worry to be "nice" or that you like them.

4Chan isn't a place where you can do anything, the only thing is that most of the time you can get away with posting almost anything (on the proper places like /b/)
 
I remember being a part of the SomethingAwful direct connect hub and Moot was an admin in there. We argued about some anime called Planetes before he created 4chan.
 
Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
For real, I visit 4chan and I had a chuckle reading that.
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All the saccharine goodbye posts are even more hilarious.

jediyoshi said:
The hold up is that it's a community on the internet, right?
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Hm, not sure what you mean. I totally believe in positive communities online, if that's what you mean. I don't ingerentky hold a grudge against large groups on the Internet.

sega4ever said:
i'm not surprised someone like you would find freedom of speech vomit inducing.
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"Someone like me"? I'd love to know what that means, especially considering I have yet to comment on free speech in this thread.
 
Inorigo said:
All the saccharine goodbye posts are even more hilarious.



Hm, not sure what you mean. I totally believe in positive communities online, if that's what you mean. I don't ingerentky hold a grudge against large groups on the Internet.



"Someone like me"? I'd love to know what that means, especially considering I have yet to comment on free speech in this thread.
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k so it's all agreed that moot is at least 50?

LouisaFerre said:
I wonder if everyone will go to 8chan now. It seems to be a good website on a technical level, at least.
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Another revival of 7chan, 420chan, desuchan, and/or uboachan would be nice.
 
Led_Zeppelin said:
As someone that has been using 4chan since late 2006 I can say that 4chan was never about being a "lawless" place and more to be a counter culture type of site. There have always been rules to post on 4chan, most of it which were never put in practices, some that were created after the fact after thing the community did (like the no doxing or raiding).

4Chan was always primary a place where name,tags,status,longevity, etc etc in a community didn't matter at all and the only thing important was the discussion at hand. Sure anonymity brings out as well not just a raw discussion in is more pure state (where identity, work, place of residence, post history etc etc doesn't matter at all leaving only your statements) but also a filterless discussion where people isn't worry to be "nice" or that you like them.

4Chan isn't a place where you can do anything, the only thing is that most of the time you can get away with posting almost anything (on the proper places like /b/)
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Thanks for the post. I guess I didn't understand 4chan.
 
LouisaFerre said:
I wonder if everyone will go to 8chan now. It seems to be a good website on a technical level, at least.
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4chan isn't closing down. Though there is fear that the nature and essence of 4chan will change without Moot as the head. Since Moot is on of the few that defends internet anonymity and also had a site with a huge community.
 
Azula said:
Thanks for the post. I guess I didn't understand 4chan. For the record, I wasn't saying 4 chan was about lawlessness and criminal activity. Rather, it was about complete freedom. And with that, comes bad things like sexism/harassment. That's kind of the problem of having a community with no law and order, and allowing people to be whatever they want to be.

It can bring out the best in people, and bring out the worst. But you are right about their being rules. I mean, the fact that they have to comply with fed law, alone means it wasn't 100% free.

But I still think Moot censoring something like GamerGate, is just odd like when you take in everything 4chan is. It seems very at odds with the concept of it. I can understand Moot stepping and closing threads that were organizing Doxxing for instances. But eh.
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/v/ isn't even about video games, really, it was off topic
 
Azula said:
Thanks for the post. I guess I didn't understand 4chan. For the record, I wasn't saying 4 chan was about lawlessness and criminal activity. Rather, it was about complete freedom. And with that, comes bad things like sexism/harassment. That's kind of the problem of having a community with no law and order, and allowing people to be whatever they want to be.

It can bring out the best in people, and bring out the worst. But you are right about their being rules. I mean, the fact that they have to comply with fed law, alone means it wasn't 100% free.

But I still think Moot censoring something like GamerGate, is just odd like when you take in everything 4chan is. It seems very at odds with the concept of it. I can understand Moot stepping and closing threads that were organizing Doxxing for instances. But eh.
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The website has had rules since day 1, and for years it had rules preventing the posting or discussion of anything that could get 4chan in legal trouble. Harassment campaigns like gamergate are just falling under the no raid rule that's been around forever. It's not odd when that's always been how 4chan is.
 
Azula said:
Thanks for the post. I guess I didn't understand 4chan. For the record, I wasn't saying 4 chan was about lawlessness and criminal activity. Rather, it was about complete freedom. And with that, comes bad things like sexism/harassment. That's kind of the problem of having a community with no law and order, and allowing people to be whatever they want to be.

It can bring out the best in people, and bring out the worst. But you are right about their being rules. I mean, the fact that they have to comply with fed law, alone means it wasn't 100% free.

But I still think Moot censoring something like GamerGate, is just odd like when you take in everything 4chan is. It seems very at odds with the concept of it. I can understand Moot stepping and closing threads that were organizing Doxxing for instances. But eh.
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GG consumed a giant portion of /v/ for a while. Unlike something like TORtanic, nothing amusing came from people arguing and shouting about an event llike that. If moot hadn't stepped in and actually had done something, actual videogame discussion would be drowned out in cacophony of severe stupidity and sexism.

Surface of Me said:
/v/ isn't even about video games, really, it was off topic
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Late night /v/ is totally about video games.
 
Azula said:
So you are saying nothing Moot did there was anything that hadn't been done before. And for some reason, people decided to lose their shit over this thing (even though they have done raids and harassment campaigns for decades).

People are weird.

EDIT: I'm confused. I know there has been rules from Day 1, but I was told that 4chan didn't enforce them. I thought the side was known to do activities that technically break the rules, without any kind of heavy moderation. Or am I wrong about that? The site has always been heavily moderated, and always tightly enforced the rules?

If so, then why was GG the straw that broke the camels back (where people lost their shit, and left en masse).
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4chan enforces rules, and has enforced rules for quite a while. I know a lot of boards have pretty strict moderation and self moderation that keeps dumb shit in check, but boards like /b/ are practically impossible to comb through. You really can't moderate some weird isolated IRC channel that plans raids and DDoSes.
GG really only affected people who are submerged around the /v/ board. Other boards really didn't give a shit about what the hell was going on, but it was amusing to see /v/ implode. It wasn't an en masse leaving because it was just a group of vocal jackasses who wanted their hate for certain things be spread around the world that left.
 
Astarte said:
4chan enforces rules, and has enforced rules for quite a while. I know a lot of boards have pretty strict moderation and self moderation that keeps dumb shit in check, but boards like /b/ are practically impossible to comb through. You really can't moderate some weird isolated IRC channel that plans raids and DDoSes.
GG really only affected people who are submerged around the /v/ board. Other boards really didn't give a shit about what the hell was going on, but it was amusing to see /v/ implode.
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Cool.

So basically, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll go edit out my posts then. Thanks for clarifying. I don't post on 4chan, and I'm extremely anti-gg. But I saw a lot of people lose their shit over Moot's actions during it.

Not knowing the situation...while I supported his actions, I just thought it was hypocritical and went against the concept of 4chan. But I guess I didn't actually know what 4chan is. My bad.
 
Azula said:
Thanks for the post. I guess I didn't understand 4chan. For the record, I wasn't saying 4 chan was about lawlessness and criminal activity. Rather, it was about complete freedom. And with that, comes bad things like sexism/racism and whatever kind of hateful view points. That's kind of the problem of having a community with no law and order, and allowing people to be whatever they want to be.

It can bring out the best in people, and bring out the worst. But you are right about their being rules. I mean, the fact that they have to comply with fed law, alone means it wasn't 100% free.

But I still think Moot censoring something like GamerGate, is just odd like when you take in everything 4chan is. It seems very at odds with the concept of it. I can understand Moot stepping and closing threads that were organizing Doxxing for instances. But eh.

That said, you are right there were always rules. So it's not like it was always 100% free from some kind of order. But because they didn't enforce the rules, and because the perception of most that posted there was that was a place of complete freedom, it feels very at odd (as a concept), to have the creator step in and start moderating heavily, when it becomes an issue that impacts him.
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To be honest I avoided /v/ during GG threads but about the doxing and rading I always thought that moot only took the easy way out by banning GG under those pretext because on previous years different boards organized raids (the one that comes to mind now is the big haboo raid) or doxing (The consequences will never be the same!) without moot intervention (with the exception of Project Chanology)...

I still think that moot was on his right to ban GG off /v/, but the true is that the ban did nothing but make matter worse where the spam became rampant and the shitposting trough the roof for days/weeks until GG finally moved to 8chan. Again Moot was in his right but I don't share or understand his reasoning in completely banning GG from all boards (even /b/ and /pol/ which is name is Politicaly Incorrect)
 
I really don't know how to feel about this. 4chan for the longest time has been the top place I go to online for years. I stopped going on boards like /v/ or /co/ as they and otehr boards have gotten a bit too-stormfronty for my tastes. I still frequently go to /a/, though :3

Anyway, I'm hoping the change in management includes some well deserved purging. I never cared much for /pol/. That board pretty much ruined the entire site for me.
 
Azula said:
Cool.

So basically, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll go edit out my posts then. Thanks for clarifying. I don't post on 4chan, and I'm extremely anti-gg. But I saw a lot of people lose their shit over Moot's actions during it.

Not knowing the situation...while I supported his actions, I just thought it was hypocritical and went against the concept of 4chan. But I guess I didn't actually know what 4chan is. My bad.
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Mhm. Hell, alot of /v/ hates GG and hates the mention of it, whilst at the same time mocking anyone who tries to bring it up. Really, censoring GG was good for everyone. After all you see the bastards who went and created 8chan in retaliation.

But the gist of 4chan isn't to have raiding or doxxing, but a discussion where your name or post history doesn't matter. And to alot of people, it's freeing. There's nothing wrong with that. And the community has become one that well, if you can't stomach the words they use, then it's a sort of high threshold for posting and reading there, as words are spoken freely and without hindrance.

Many crave that in a world today where everyone is socially connected and, with a click of a button, you can discover who that person is.
 
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Moot summed up his interview well. It's helped people get through some stuff and it's raw. If you can't deal with it or find it offending then don't go there if words without any punch behind them get to you it's not your thing. It's a nice counter beacon to the extreme PC on other places on the internet.

FWIW I feel like it's made me extremely tolerant and informed to prejudice as well, so obviously it's a great community.
 
BreezyLimbo said:
Mhm. Hell, alot of /v/ hates GG and hates the mention of it, whilst at the same time mocking anyone who tries to bring it up. Really, censoring GG was good for everyone. After all you see the bastards who went and created 8chan in retaliation.

But the gist of 4chan isn't to have raiding or doxxing, but a discussion where your name or post history doesn't matter. And to alot of people, it's freeing. There's nothing wrong with that. And the community has become one that well, if you can't stomach the words they use, then it's a sort of high threshold for posting and reading there, as words are spoken freely and without hindrance.

Many crave that in a world today where everyone is socially connected and, with a click of a button, you can discover who that person is.
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Oh I think censoring GG was a great idea. Just thought it was at odds with the concept of 4chan. But I guess I didn't really know what 4chan was (or my perception of what it was as concept was wrong). My apologies. So basically, nothing they did there was out of the norm. And people raging out over Moot and the GG stuff, were just...GG people raging out because that's what they do.
 
Azula said:
Oh I think censoring GG was a great idea. Just thought it was at odds with the concept of 4chan. But I guess I didn't really know what 4chan was (or my perception of what it was as concept was wrong). My apologies. So basically, nothing they did there was out of the norm. And people raging out over Moot and the GG stuff, were just...GG people raging out because that's what they do.
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Mhm. There are some places you should give a shot, though. There's a great LGBT board, anime, cosplay, cooking...something for everyone. All the boards are relatively populated. The real 'shit' holes that require a thick skin, to my knowledge, are /v/, /pol/, and /b/.

Give it a shot if you really wanna learn about it. There's something about posting anonymously and carrying a conversation with others who have no name.
 
Astarte said:
4chan enforces rules, and has enforced rules for quite a while. I know a lot of boards have pretty strict moderation and self moderation that keeps dumb shit in check, but boards like /b/ are practically impossible to comb through. You really can't moderate some weird isolated IRC channel that plans raids and DDoSes.
GG really only affected people who are submerged around the /v/ board. Other boards really didn't give a shit about what the hell was going on, but it was amusing to see /v/ implode. It wasn't an en masse leaving because it was just a group of vocal jackasses who wanted their hate for certain things be spread around the world that left.
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ZeroGravity said:
He already betrayed his vision of what 4chan is when he started censoring shit last year, so he might as well leave.
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This post is relevant to this. It never really was supposed to be a no holds barred, free speech platform.
https://archive.moe/q/thread/580080/#580135
 
Dr.Acula said:
Wait? I'm older than moot? Wait, 4chan was founded after I turned 20? I could have sworn I avoided 4chan as a teenager, but I guess not.

Makes a lot of sense as to why I haven't gone to 4chan very much, I was actually too old for it. WTF?

I'm also surprised moot didn't make any money. Could he even sell it? I can't believe NEOGAF is worth more than 4chan, but here we are.
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4chan was pretty much always this huge money sink because, even though he could sell ad-space like NeoGAF, very few companies would want to take out ads on 4chan. I think J-List was really one of main ones that did. The only publicly known attempt to buy 4chan was a while back:

So do you make any money from the site?
Technically, yes. Functionally, no. The site is technically profitable. We do a little more than break even, but no-one is taking a paycheck.

So how do you make money?
The site breaks even, and I do some odd jobs.

Has anyone offered to buy 4chan?
When I was 17, I was approached by an online Japanese toy store and they offered me $15,000 for the Web site. I told them I wasn’t interested in selling, so they bumped the price up to $45,000. I said No. I haven’t received another offer in the past five years.

Would you sell the site today?
It depends. If someone was looking to gut it for traffic, then absolutely not. But if they were committed to the site and its goals, then I’d consider it.
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http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/one-on-one-christopher-poole-founder-of-4chan/?_r=0
 
FelixOrion said:
4chan was pretty much always this huge money sink because, even though he could sell ad-space like NeoGAF, very few companies would want to take out ads on 4chan. I think J-List was really one of main ones that did. The only publicly known attempt to buy 4chan was a while back:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/one-on-one-christopher-poole-founder-of-4chan/?_r=0
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Even though I hate the communities that fester in 4chan, I appreciate his candor and backbone in sticking it out and forgoing a paycheck just for the principles of the site.

But, I bet if 4chan was offered big money, he'd gut it in a heartbeat.
 
Dr.Acula said:
Wait? I'm older than moot? Wait, 4chan was founded after I turned 20? I could have sworn I avoided 4chan as a teenager, but I guess not.

Makes a lot of sense as to why I haven't gone to 4chan very much, I was actually too old for it. WTF?

I'm also surprised moot didn't make any money. Could he even sell it? I can't believe NEOGAF is worth more than 4chan, but here we are.
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"Too old for 4chan" lol. Why do people act like 4chan is a total cesspool? Do they only know of it from hearing about how bad it is? Plenty of great discussions and threads on 4chan...very minimal moderation works wonders.
 
Exr said:
"Too old for 4chan" lol. Why do people act like 4chan is a total cesspool? Do they only know of it from hearing about how bad it is? Plenty of great discussions and threads on 4chan...very minimal moderation works wonders.
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Yeah, it sure does work wonders. Nothing like visiting a board and having the first thing you see be child porn.
 
Exr said:
"Too old for 4chan" lol. Why do people act like 4chan is a total cesspool? Do they only know of it from hearing about how bad it is? Plenty of great discussions and threads on 4chan...very minimal moderation works wonders.
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I just meant I was "too old" when it came around so I missed it kinda. Sort of like how I'm "too old for snapchat." Like, I just haven't grown up with it so it doesn't occur to me as a place I'd go to. The community is pretty complicated and codified so I just never put in the time to lurk and understand the culture. Reddit or GAF are much more easy to "dive into."
 
BreezyLimbo said:
Mhm. There are some places you should give a shot, though. There's a great LGBT board, anime, cosplay, cooking...something for everyone. All the boards are relatively populated. The real 'shit' holes that require a thick skin, to my knowledge, are /v/, /pol/, and /b/.

Give it a shot if you really wanna learn about it. There's something about posting anonymously and carrying a conversation with others who have no name.
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I like visiting /an/ from time to time and those conversations can last years. I'm glad that the initial reactionary new board invasions are over with for /lgbt/ though.

Kinsei said:
Yeah, it sure does work wonders. Nothing like visiting a board and having the first thing you see be child porn.
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Nothing like visiting nothing but /b/ and basing an entire community based off of one cesspool.
 
Astarte said:
I like visiting /an/ from time to time and those conversations can last years. I'm glad that the initial reactionary new board invasions are over with for /lgbt/ though.



Nothing like visiting nothing but /b/ and basing an entire community based off of one cesspool.
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A community that allows said cesspool to exist.
 
Dr.Acula said:
I just meant I was "too old" when it came around so I missed it kinda. Sort of like how I'm "too old for snapchat." Like, I just haven't grown up with it so it doesn't occur to me as a place I'd go to. The community is pretty complicated and codified so I just never put in the time to lurk and understand the culture. Reddit or GAF are much more easy to "dive into."
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Ah my bad, interpreted it as writing off the place as trash like some.
 
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