Lets not get crazy. Looks to be as fast as a BMW 535i Twin turbo V6.
Motor Trend's 2013 Car of the Year is....
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Does that screen dim at night? Cus that would get annoying.
phosphor112
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I would, without a doubt, get one of those if I could.
Yeah it has settings for everything. It will auto dim at night, or you can dim it when you're not using it. The bottom section where the temp controls and whatnot stays on but dims at night. And the section where the speedometer is, is can be fully customized with weather, navigation, and other widgets.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure an M5 would beat out the Model S top end on most tracks simply as a function of its top speed.
Just checked the M5 acceleration, it's pretty much equal, 4.4 @ 60mph.
As a general rule of thumb, EVs have better torque at the low end - and the Model S is much touted in its weight balance and low center of gravity, which would lead me to believe that it has superior handling at the speed ranges where it can compete.
Only question mark is the braking; brakes on the model S are pretty good, not sure how it compares to the M5.
So your condescending and contentless reply really seems to be a sign that you feel the need to shore up your faltering arrogance.
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/10/09/tesla-model-s-vs-bmw-m5-drag-race-video/
Apples to oranges. And these cars are not really similarly priced unless you move to the low end Model S cars which simply will not preform in the range a 535i would.
I wouldnt really care that much for performance, as long as it performs decent. It would be nice not to worry if you have to fill up your gas to go to work, or take time out of your day to stop by and fill up... this way you just park it in the garage and when you wake up, its fully charged. Oh and it looks sick as f*ck. Ive seen two of them driving around here in the Portland area.
I guess it's a $5k down payment, then the rest on delivery. Also, while you wait for you vehicle to be built, you get to go to their HQ to drive one and learn all the bells and whistles.
I guess it's a $5k down payment, then the rest on delivery. Also, while you wait for you vehicle to be built, you get to go to their HQ to drive one and learn all the bells and whistles.
I6. BMW uses inline 6 cylinder engines, not V6s. And slow? Even 0-60 in 6.5 seconds is a couple seconds faster than the faster car I've ever owned. Granted, I haven't really gone for cars with...well, any performance.
Right, and by the way Enron, the M5 and Tesla Model S Performance are right about the same price. The Model S is actually $5k cheaper after the tax credit.
ClassyPenguin
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I can't wait until this takes off with more mainstream models.
Dodge is doing it a bit with the Dart which was really surprising.
I've always liked how the Cadillac CTS does it. The screen pops up when you use the nav, but when it's down, enough of the screen still shows to give you relevant information. Just dimming or not using part of the screen is probably better though. Less likely to have problems.
SteveMeister
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Tesla's next car is the Model X crossover, which will be priced similarly to the Model S but offer all-wheel drive. It is supposed to be available late next year. Also some time in 2013 they should be announcing their next car, which they hope to start at around $30k and I think the plan is to launch it in 2014 or 2015.
They're also planning a new roadster.
They're also planning a new roadster.
You said the Tesla Model S beats the M5 in ALL PERFORMANCE AREAS except Top Speed. Here it is lest we forget.
Here are some performance numbers for the 2013 F10 BMW M5, Tesla Model S, and a comparison. Got all these from Car and Driver test drives (same source).
Head-to-Head
M5
Model S
Despite what you saw in the drag race video, the M5 as tested by the same source as the Tesla S recorded a faster 0-60 time, a faster quarter mile time, a faster fig8 time (handling), more lateral Gs, and lost to the Tesla S in 0-60 braking by 5 feet.
That's a grand total of 1 "performance area" that the Model S bests the M5 in.
These numbers are all I need to shore up my "arrogance".
Drag race in a motor publication doesn't mean shit. There's been some extremely shady performance reviews and comparisons with the Tesla S from sources. Even that video linked several months back of the drag race between the two wreaked of dodgy shenanigans.
BMW M5 had launch control turned off, the Tesla S had a rolling start, and add to that when the M5 was clearly quite easily gaining ground, the drag race was stopped in what didn't even seem like a quarter mile.
Add to that, when you Google the Tesla S's 0-60 results, there seems to be lots of different times logged so I'm not really sure what's up. Different S models or something? I've seen as low as 3.9secs and as high as 6.5. Having said that, the new M5 is 3.7s so it's quicker either way. Guessing on the track it would destroy the Tesla S despite what some publications might say.
BMW M5 had launch control turned off, the Tesla S had a rolling start, and add to that when the M5 was clearly quite easily gaining ground, the drag race was stopped in what didn't even seem like a quarter mile.
Add to that, when you Google the Tesla S's 0-60 results, there seems to be lots of different times logged so I'm not really sure what's up. Different S models or something? I've seen as low as 3.9secs and as high as 6.5. Having said that, the new M5 is 3.7s so it's quicker either way. Guessing on the track it would destroy the Tesla S despite what some publications might say.
Yeah, I'm with you. My Dad bought a CTS last year and this was one of my favorite features.I've always liked how the Cadillac CTS does it. The screen pops up when you use the nav, but when it's down, enough of the screen still shows to give you relevant information. Just dimming or not using part of the screen is probably better though. Less likely to have problems.
Actually, I was surprised at how nice of an interior the CTS has. It absolutely crushes the current Mercedes C and E class sedans (which are terrible for their class). They did have a pop-up screen in the C class a couple years ago but it wasn't as elegant as the one in the CTS.
People don't need to surf Facebook while they're driving. I hope this is only visible while in park.
You said the Tesla Model S beats the M5 in ALL PERFORMANCE AREAS except Top Speed. Here it is lest we forget.
Here are some performance numbers for the 2013 F10 BMW M5, Tesla Model S, and a comparison. Got all these from Car and Driver test drives (same source).
Head-to-Head
M5
Model S
Despite what you saw in the drag race video, the M5 as tested by the same source as the Tesla S recorded a faster 0-60 time, a faster quarter mile time, a faster fig8 time (handling), more lateral Gs, and lost to the Tesla S in 0-60 braking by 5 feet.
That's a grand total of 1 "performance area" that the Model S bests the M5 in.
These numbers are all I need to shore up my "arrogance".
Hmmm. Looks like I've been mislead.
But the numbers are pretty damn good nonetheless; nearly on par with one another. I'd say the purchase really comes down to other more tangible factors such as usability, styling, cost of operation, etc.
Some of those points are subjective, others are in favour of the Model S (usable storage space & operating cost been a couple).
My biggest issue with this car after the price is that stupid touchscreen center console. A car should at least provide basic functionality like HVAC and basic stereo controls with tactile buttons so you can use them without looking away while driving.
I'm sure they went ahead with it because it looks cool, but I know they'll change it in a few years, just like how BMW changed the first iteration of the horrendous iDrive system to something a bit more useful now.
I'm sure they went ahead with it because it looks cool, but I know they'll change it in a few years, just like how BMW changed the first iteration of the horrendous iDrive system to something a bit more useful now.
It's worse than that. Brake, suspension settings, etc are also buried on a menu somewhere on that display.
SteveMeister
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Is the software at least solid? The Fisker Karma featured one of the slowest, least useful pieces of software I've ever seen in a car rendering it almost useless. If this is at least fast and fluid I could see it being somewhat pleasant to use.
SteveMeister
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Haven't read this myself yet, but a google search brought me to a Tesla Model S owners message board here.
All videos I've seen and impressions I've read point to yes, very solid. Responsiveness looks to be on par with an iPad and all the buttons are big enough and well spaced enough to be pressed with ease. There's no comparison between it and the Karma's screen.
AstroNut325
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That's because there are different variants of the Model S. The base model has lower horsepower motors than the Performance/Signature model.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Pft..
All GAF Gold members have one.
WeAreStarStuff
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Not anymore.
dear lord that is an awful interior
also what are the reliability ratings on this thing?
nobody knows yet. and wont know for a year or two. or three. But I think we can expect them to not be stellar.
timetokill
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They really messed up on that giant screen by using a shitty UI and not making a sleek great one. It's like, why have a huge screen like that if you're not going to make the UI beautiful?
Duracelllll
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And there's also a German Roadster owner with over 250k kms without any problems, but keep trolling EV hater.
Agreed. They need to hire a decent UI designer.
I'm sure there's an AMC Gremlin somewhere with that many miles as well.
its not FUD, the reliability of any new model is generally poor. in this case its a brand new model, with brand new tech, from a fairly untested name in cars. reliability is generally not covered in auto journalism pieces.
with all the attention that "doritosgate" got around here its interesting that no one questions the automotive journalists, who are even chummier with PR than the VG ones.
Let's compare:
60-100 mph acceleration
60-120 mph acceleration
100-150 mph acceleration
Miles you can travel in 24 hours
When it beats the M5 on those metrics, then we can talk.
I don't understand why Tesla gets so much cynicism from Americans when it is one of the most promising companies in years! It has hired around a thousand workers just this year alone. It is receiving endless amounts of praise, yet people still shout from the rooftops that it doesn't deserve the merit it is receiving. They (Enron) know nothing about EVs, just that these new cars are trying to compete in the same space as their precious ICEs. Change is good, people, it makes us better. Don't be afraid, your precious engines aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
It is absolutely FUD when it is unfounded. If something is wrong with the car it will be discovered, otherwise the Model S deserves praise for what it has accomplished. The award has nothing to do with long term reliability, just the best new car for 2013.
It is absolutely FUD when it is unfounded. If something is wrong with the car it will be discovered, otherwise the Model S deserves praise for what it has accomplished. The award has nothing to do with long term reliability, just the best new car for 2013.
Your previous metrics are unrealistic. How often do you go 60-120, let alone 100-150? How often do you drive for 24 hours straight?
The Model S can recharge 150 miles in 30 minutes. It's good, not as good as refueling, but it's only going to get better. That recharge is free, too.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Pft..
That's gaudy.
its not unfounded to assume that a new car model will have reliability issues. its realistic.
Duracelllll
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And for many others, myself included, returning home, plugging in a cord for the night is far more desirable than waiting for 10+ minutes at the fuel station to refuel....
Maybe realistic, maybe pessimistic. The Model S has significantly less moving parts than an ICE. The test cars have been driven thousands of miles without incident. Time will tell.
Doesn't matter how often. Most M5's aren't driven faster than 528i's most of the time, but you're paying for the M5 to have that capability when you need/want it.
1. 30 minutes for 150 miles is completely unacceptable for a $15k car let alone a $100K one. I would like to make a day trip to Atlantic City (150 miles each way) without having range anxiety, which is impossible in a Tesla.
2. Electricity isn't free. Especially when you have more and more electric cars clogging up the grid. Not to mention those charging stations don't exist today.
3. That kind of fast charging drastically reduces battery lifespan.
1. Perfectly doable in a Model S, you would charge once you got to Atlantic City assuming you'd be doing something once you got there.
2. Electricity is free when you're using Tesla Superchargers and the Model S. Free.
3. This kind of fast charging does not affect battery life because the supercharger tapers the charge as the battery fills. Clever, no?
Nice, absolutely no relevance to Tesla or its batteries.
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