squatingyeti
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DenogginizerOS said:
Am I the only one who thought the rubber band AI could get really crazy during certain races? That's the biggest fix (outside of ones they've already patched) I would want.
MotorStorm has sold 3 million copies? :o
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Am I the only one who thought the rubber band AI could get really crazy during certain races? That's the biggest fix (outside of ones they've already patched) I would want.
Madman said:
It has to do with the kind of game it is. Offroader racers aren't incredibly popular, it kinda has 1 market, and it sells to that market. To me it was like a Re Run of ATV offroad Fury ya know?
The 2nd one sold a bit less than the 1st (that was released early in the life cycle) besides a much larger install base, it was like the exact same people had bought it.
And i kinda see the same happening here. And just wanted to say that the only reason i say it achieved the sales it achieved because of bundles, is not because it was a simple bundle, like many other bundles are, no, there were long periods of time where the stores were only selling Resistance + Ps3 and MotorStorm + Ps3, and then the same with the Motorstorm+Resistance+2controllers bundle, it wasn't like "oh look there's a bundle in the middle of 5 consoles in the store" not, the bundles were it.
I bought motorstorm, really fun online, it was much less aggressive than i ever thought it would be, and the whole dynamic of bikes vs trucks vs cars was really cool, the 1st and only game imo where the motion controls really work.
Whenever my little cousin comes he has a blast playing motorstorm with the motion controls.
What exactly do people want? To me, it sounds like people want AI that they can out run to the point where they dominate the AI. The AI in Motorstorm was beatable, as long as you did great in the race.Firewire said:
I think a "light" mode would be good for those that want AI they can lap or get easy victories over.
I see what you mean, but Motorstorm wasn't just a typical offroad game like ATV offroad fury or MX Unleashed. I bought offroad games before Motorstorm, and I never felt like they really nailed the experience, which I do feel Motorstorm did.WrikaWrek said:
Whether or not it will have long legs and do as good the second time around as it did the first time aorund remains to be seen. I do think that it is a really solid racer and with the right upgrades, 2 could be much better then one.
cortland_andrus
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I'm sure I'm not the first to post this, but whatever. Saying it sold 3 million is obviously telling the story of its popularity in a completely incorrect way. At least half of those 3 million were bundled with the machine. That's like saying Wii Sports has sold like 17-18 million, which I'm sure would make a lot of fanboys cry or at least argue.
Let me guess the race. It was the buggy one, right?Ranger X said:
It seems that most people can't stand the idea of having AI that matches you throughout the race and don't like the concept of Motorstorm as a whole(that being the constant storm of motors that you are surrounded by while racing). For those that don't like that, there can be a easy or light version of the tickets so those that want to just have a glorified time trial mode can have one.
Maybe they should do a mandatory HDD install.WrikaWrek said:
I'm kidding, but I would not mind having an install option for the next one, since the load times in the first one were probably it's biggest flaw. I want a lot from the sequal, but I am keeping my expectations down to improved loading, better graphics, and more content, like 10 total tracks.
squatingyeti
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Madman said:
It's not about AI that isn't good, it's about AI that was really cheap. I can respect a good race, not a cheap one. Did we play the same game?
Ploid 3.0
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After thinking for a bit and letting this sink in. I see what the problem with this news is. It makes it seem like games on PS3 can sell well outside of resistance. Resistance selling well was already pushing it, motorstorm selling well also means something is up. How dare motorstorm do that. I hate bundles, I got motorstorm for free because of it, or did I pay for it without knowing... (motorstorm added value to buying this ps3 for me. I would have gotten the 40gig instead but extra hdd space, bc, and game won me over for 100 extra).
Broadbandito
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Lightning said:
It technically is. Is sony going to bring out an 80 gig for 450 without a pack in game or gonna pack something else in for 500 again?
Im pretty sure no matter what the case is, it will be 500
Ploid 3.0
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Madman said:
I understand his comment on the AI being cheap. Sometimes they'd get in front of you and slow down, or push you out of the way along with messing their own self up in the process to aid the other racer ai. I call it the Twisted Metal Black-Calling All Cars AI effect. It's you against the AI's. They are on a team, and you are by yourself, and they get a A+ in teamwork. It's frustrating but it does make it challenging, just feels cheap.
squatingyeti said:
Ummm...hey buddy...I think you're playing the wrong game. What is "cheap" AI anyway? The ones that are in huge trucks that run you over when you're in bikes? Around here, I call that smart AI.
Motorstorm is a no-holds-bar kinda racing game. that's what it is. that's what it set out to do. If you want the "oh, we're all polite" racing game, go play Forza or something. but Motorstorm is the, get out of my way or I'm gonna run you out of my way kinda racing game.
The only way an AI can be cheap in motorstorm is if it got unlimited boost, or knew of secret routes that's impossible to see without a guide to tell you.
Ploid 3.0
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Yea I think this game makes a point in letting you know where your place is. The balance of the game is given to you. To use my sig as finding this picture again is a pain.
This center picture is from one of the loading screens. The text is sharpened (looks out of place due to it). Rock, scissors, papers dudes!
MX bikes: Lightweight, agile and thin. Mx Bikes have a good degree of acceleration and average speed, but are vulnerable to damage.
ATVs: Similar to the MX Bike, but heavier and bulkier. ATVs are more stable and durable, but not quite as agile.
Buggies: A good combination of speed and ability to cross rough terrain, these vehicles are one or two seat space-frame contraptions, custom-built to rugged specifications.
Rally Cars: Fast and relatively light, but limited by the types of terrain they can cross. Anything too rough or boggy and these will suffer. Made of lightweight materials, they are not very durable.
Racing Trucks: These modified pickup trucks are powerful, heavy machines. Good ground clearance means they are capable of crossing rough terrain, but do not have the acceleration of the lighter vehicles.
Mudpluggers: The biggest of the cars, these imposing vehicles have big wheels and heavy-duty suspension letting it deal with even the worst terrain. Speed is their biggest weakness.
Big Rigs: Large, powerful and pretty much unstoppable. Low on speed and agility, but who cares when you can just drive over anyone?
(From the manual)
This center picture is from one of the loading screens. The text is sharpened (looks out of place due to it). Rock, scissors, papers dudes!
MX bikes: Lightweight, agile and thin. Mx Bikes have a good degree of acceleration and average speed, but are vulnerable to damage.
ATVs: Similar to the MX Bike, but heavier and bulkier. ATVs are more stable and durable, but not quite as agile.
Buggies: A good combination of speed and ability to cross rough terrain, these vehicles are one or two seat space-frame contraptions, custom-built to rugged specifications.
Rally Cars: Fast and relatively light, but limited by the types of terrain they can cross. Anything too rough or boggy and these will suffer. Made of lightweight materials, they are not very durable.
Racing Trucks: These modified pickup trucks are powerful, heavy machines. Good ground clearance means they are capable of crossing rough terrain, but do not have the acceleration of the lighter vehicles.
Mudpluggers: The biggest of the cars, these imposing vehicles have big wheels and heavy-duty suspension letting it deal with even the worst terrain. Speed is their biggest weakness.
Big Rigs: Large, powerful and pretty much unstoppable. Low on speed and agility, but who cares when you can just drive over anyone?
(From the manual)
SolidSnakex
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Tideas said:
Yeah I think this is what people miss about MS. The AI reacts the way it does because it's always suppose to be a competitive race. If you were able to always get out in front and dominate it'd become boring. So instead you're always having to fight to keep your lead or to stay in the race.
Mammothtank
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I hope LAN is in Motorstorm 2. I'd love to host that!
squatingyeti
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SolidSnakex said:
It's not about being able to dominate. You guys have this idea stuck in your head. It's exactly like ploid said. Hell, we could go back and read the Motorstorm official thread and a bunch of people were saying the same thing. It's the AI (and I mean all of them) on a "team" against you. The AI will cheap it's way into hurting your race. It won't just out race you, it will sacrifice itself so other AI racers can win.
For the last time, I don't want to be able to dominate. I just don't want the AI to be cheap.
Ploid 3.0
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squatingyeti said:
Yep it does this. Not all the time but from my experience it's randomly and spread out like a "Why is this car slowing down. Is he pressing brakes? I wish it's tail lights wasn't busted so I can see if he's pressing brakes". 3 races later, "Oh crap, this rig followed me up to this bike path just to keep pushing me into this here wall. Stop stalking me John Madden".
Madman said:
Ah, I mostly pay attention to myself. My mistake on AI team vs the player.
squatingyeti
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Madman said:
Yeah, they would attack each other, on the basis of attacking you 10 times, and the other AI 1. Seriously, I know me and ploid aren't the only ones that saw this. Go back and read the official thread.
Hit the gas and the crash scene cuts and your back on the track.Bebpo said:
Also game was awesome, bring on MS2 with Cockpit view, rain, wind and headlights for night races. Also some sort of stunt events like the footage they have playing in the menus would be awesome for online.
Another thing, make online rankings actually mean something, have some sort of leaderbaords and make it so if you come 2nd or 3rd you get some points. The way it is now 1st or bust sucks.
I read it back when it was active. I think the reason it felt like the AI attacked you more is because you were much more heavily affected when it attacked you. You would hardly notice when they attacked eachother, but you would damn well know when they attacked you.squatingyeti said:
no one posted this yet ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROpSEiR9nZw&feature=related
3 million , good for an N64 game :lol
every thing that Diggnation guys hates turn into big success
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROpSEiR9nZw&feature=related
3 million , good for an N64 game :lol
every thing that Diggnation guys hates turn into big success
Segata Sanshiro
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party foul for those bagging on MS to prop up SEGA Rally or EXcite Truck, and party foul on kittonwy for its response. All 3 are good games with flaws, and are sufficiently different to be appreciated for their unique qualities.
Now that MS has proven so successful, I expect the devs won't be rushed on MS2. I expect big, big things from that one given the obvious talents of the devs.
Now that MS has proven so successful, I expect the devs won't be rushed on MS2. I expect big, big things from that one given the obvious talents of the devs.
AdventureRacing
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I don't mind the aggresive ai, in fact it makes the game a lot more fun. It just seems to fit in with the theme of the game. My only gripe is with the rubber band effect. I have no problem with an ai opponent keeping up me (or beating me) but i would prefer they were the same all along. Not wait till i get a bit of a lead and then speedup up heaps to catchup.
My favorite part of racing games is being stuck in a pack trying to get to the front. With rubber band ai what tends to happen is i shoot to the front and then just have the ai stuck on my tail for the rest of the race. The only way i lose is by some unexpected crash near the finish. I would prefer if the ai started that fast and i had to work my way past them.
Don't get me wrong i really liked motorstorm i just don't want the rubber band effect in the sequel.
My favorite part of racing games is being stuck in a pack trying to get to the front. With rubber band ai what tends to happen is i shoot to the front and then just have the ai stuck on my tail for the rest of the race. The only way i lose is by some unexpected crash near the finish. I would prefer if the ai started that fast and i had to work my way past them.
Don't get me wrong i really liked motorstorm i just don't want the rubber band effect in the sequel.
Mr.Potato Head
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i knew there was a catch to this PR but none the less..its still goodklee123 said:
Wax Free Vanilla
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Ranger X said:
:lol
If you want a hard racing game from Evolution Studios go and play a full championship in WRC 2 Extreme at the highest level.
800km of pure awesomeness
MrTroubleMaker
Member
wow! I'm glad its doing this well! good game 
So MS being in the starter pack which costs more than the bare bone pack and competes with other starter packs which do not include MS magically gives one the right accuse 3m for being a BS number? :S
It's not like MS was given away for free unlike ie. the two first Halo titles (what a hard choice that was, get the bare bone xBox or the Halo pack which did cost the same), and we all know how the Halo bundle helped paving the road for future sales of the next installments (it's boring when xBox hardcore fans talk about how the first console made it easier for the 360 but at the same time overlooks how MS will help MS2 sales). ^.^
It's not like MS was given away for free unlike ie. the two first Halo titles (what a hard choice that was, get the bare bone xBox or the Halo pack which did cost the same), and we all know how the Halo bundle helped paving the road for future sales of the next installments (it's boring when xBox hardcore fans talk about how the first console made it easier for the 360 but at the same time overlooks how MS will help MS2 sales). ^.^
Jonnyram said:CurlySaysX said:
What's the difference since it's obviously true
^.^ All I know is that the D.I.C.E. summit acknowledge MS as the best racing title of the year and I bet they played Dirt, PGR4, Forza2, GT5P, that Wii thingy and so on.
If you dispute that you'll also dispute the other awards.
InterMoniker
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Not even close to as fun as Motorstorm. No damage no jumps and the controls in Sega Rally feel like shit it really feels like you are sliding the whole damn time.I AM JOHN! said:Uh...
Says "hi!"
It will probably be an improved engine like how Insomniac has used the Resistance engine for R&C:ToD and R2GeoramA said:
InterMoniker
Member
I seriously want to slap both those bitches.Totobeni said:
"Just better draw distance thats it!"
Fucking jackasses. "Dur dur dur 1080i!!!! you've got to be kidding me I'm not!"
That show must have some weird fans.