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[Doom_Bringer]

What else is new? Remember the PS2 launch? It was crap. Everyone said the DC looked better and they were right for the most part.

No, people who said the DC stuff was better were fanboys.

 

[Razoric]

Thing is that the first games will be develloped on those. Those games won't get their graphic redone at the last minute when we'll receive the official kits later that's for sure.
What does that mean? --- most first 360 games won't look all that hot and/or are going to be "present gen upgraded games".

PGR3? Ghost Recon 3? They look pretty damn hot and "next-gen" to me.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

No, people who said the DC stuff was better were fanboys.

I got a PS2 on launch. The launch titles looked no better than anything on the DC IMO. I was sitting there wondering why I spent 300 bucks on the thing when the games didn't look any better. Sorry, I don't buy that. PS2 launch titles were nothing special at all and I was no DC fanboy either. I was totally stoked to get that PS2.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I got a PS2 on launch. The launch titles looked no better than anything on the DC IMO.

What DC fighter looked as good as TTT?

 

[op_ivy]

hey screw you. i didn't even post in the thread and you still called me out

:lol

 

[Dr_Cogent]

What DC fighter looked as good as TTT?

I really didn't find it much better looking than Soul Calibur. If I get a new console, I expect the games to look significantly better. TTT did not look significantly better IMO than SC.

 

[Ranger X]

Next gen = Gears of War visual quality.

PGR3 sure look like some Xbox 1.5 imo. (well, so far)


Edit: The Dreamcast exemple here is not all that good. It's same gen as PS2 imo.

 

[jarrod]

What DC fighter looked as good as TTT?

DOA2, though it was on PS2 as well. It looked quite a bit better really considering what the engine was doing and wasn't surpassed until VF4 hit PS2 imo.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

PGR3 sure look like some Xbox 1.5 imo. (well, so far)

Can I have some of that chronic? It must be killer shit.

DOA2, though it was on PS2 as well. It looked quite a bit better really considering what the engine was doing and wasn't surpassed until VF4 hit PS2 imo.

Oh yeah, forgot about DOA2 as well.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

I got a PS2 on launch. The launch titles looked no better than anything on the DC IMO. I was sitting there wondering why I spent 300 bucks on the thing when the games didn't look any better. Sorry, I don't buy that. PS2 launch titles were nothing special at all and I was no DC fanboy either. I was totally stoked to get that PS2.

Well I gotta be honest with you, I never played the DC or most of the PS2 launch games so I don't know what to say.

But ya Tekken Tag does look better than SC or any other fighter on DC. SC's environments are very empty and dead while Tekken Tag has lots of stuff going on in the backgrounds, the NA version also uses AA. Did any DC racer look better than RR?

 

[chinch]

What DC fighter looked as good as TTT?

True, no DC game had that type of poly count and detail but TTT didn't look that great to anyone enjoying the DC for months prior. Thing is the DC offered alot CLEANER graphics without jaggies and tearing. Also had VGA to connect to your PC monitor.

It's amazing how defenders of all things Sony can't grasp the common perception that PS2 graphics were not all that.

 

[Ranger X]

Can I have some of that chronic? It must be killer shit.

What do you mean here? ( my bad sorry - i wish english was my first language here)

 

[PhatSaqs]

The PS2 had it's gems at launch, but it also had a good share of ugly ducklings as well.

Not sure why the DC comparison is being made anyway as there wont be an equivalent to Dreamcast that we can compare X360 games to (unless we're comapring them to current gen games).

 

[Gattsu25]

What do you mean here? ( my bad sorry - i wish english was my first language here)

It's an off-handed way of saying that what you just said was so crazy that you had to have been high when you said it. A strong disagreement coupled with a weak insult on your character, if you will

 

[Dr_Cogent]

It's an off-handed way of saying that what you just said was so crazy that you had to have been high when you said it. A strong disagreement coupled with a weak insult on your character, if you will

I'm not insulting his character. I wouldn't take it that far. I do think however that it's silly to say PGR3 doesn't look next gen.

But hey, he has every right to his opinion. I respect it. I just don't agree with it at all.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I really didn't find it much better looking than Soul Calibur. If I get a new console, I expect the games to look significantly better. TTT did not look significantly better IMO than SC.

It wasn't significantly better, but it did look better. The DC never had a fighter that could measure up to TTT. No fighter this gen had the "shock" value of how impressive it was to see SC for the first time. But that shock value doesn't mean that it looks better than every fighter either. It was just that for alot of people it was the game that really showed them what next gen was about.

 

[Ranger X]

I'm not insulting his character. I wouldn't take it that far. I do think however that it's silly to say PGR3 doesn't look next gen.

But hey, he has every right to his opinion. I respect it. I just don't agree with it at all.

There's already a gray area here if we try to really define what exaclty "next-gen" mean. I guess we are going to stay with our different opinions.
Anyway, i guess that most "present-gen upgraded games" will look hot enough for most people. That is still sad because i know we can have Gears of War quality on 8 games out of 10 instead of 1 out of 10 like now. (well, those numbers aren't science of course).

 

[Borys]

i don't own an xbox.

sorry for making obvious corrections which certain zealots seem to revel in.

Sorry, I take it back. Enjoy my thread

 

[Sapiens]

I'm going to hang-out in the very neutral, very safe, wait-and-see camp.


Stranger things have happened...and MS has the money to pull it off. I never thought the original XBOX would see such success in North America, and even though they didn't turn a profit. XBOX (and live) turned out to be pretty marvelous and worthy competitor to SONY.

Hell knows Nintendo doesn't know how to play the game. Thank-god MS was their to challenge SONY. Nintendo makes its own money in it's own strange world.

I laugh more at the fact that I've read that MS expects to turn a profit this time around.

One thing is for sure. 360 vs. PS3 is going to be very cool to watch.

 

[Cold-Steel]

You know, the scary thing is that even with Nintendo's crap decisions lately - I think they stand the best chance to take Sony in Japan with Revolution.

The US and European markets, well...I hope they start playing their cards better.

 

[SolidSnakex]

You know, the scary thing is that even with Nintendo's crap decisions lately - I think they stand the best chance to take Sony in Japan with Revolution.

They have Mario, Zelda and potentially an online Pokemon RPG if they ever decide to do it on a console. So yah, they're definetly in a better position than anyone else to take on Sony. They've got their own franchises that can keep them afloat in Japan.

 

[Speevy]

Nintendo winning Japan would have to begin with the parent company acknowledging that competition exists.

 

[jarrod]

The DC never had a fighter that could measure up to TTT.

I'd still say DOA2 is comparable. TTT has some better effects, but DOA2 has the better engine overall. Too bad Sega killed their in progress VF4 DC port.

 

[Cold-Steel]

I'm basing my speculation off the DS' performance in Japan against the PS2.

Maybe Revolution will be wacky enough to win them over?

 

[Speevy]

Nintendo is the #1 gaming software company in Japan, right?

Well that doesn't mean much when your console is buried under over a thousand PS2 games. The DS doesn't have this problem.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I'd still say DOA2 is comparable. TTT has some better effects, but DOA2 has the better engine overall. Too bad Sega killed their in progress VF4 DC port.

DoA2 had bigger backgrounds, TTT had better everything else (lighting, character models, effects ect).

I'm basing my speculation off the DS' performance in Japan against the PS2.

How's does that comparison even work?

 

[Cold-Steel]

How's does that comparison even work?

The hardware philosophies behind both systems are virtually the same.

DS and Revolution share many attributes. Both were/are meant to see doom and gloom against more powerful systems.

 

[jarrod]

DoA2 had bigger backgrounds, TTT had better everything else (lighting, character models, effects ect).

TTT had the better lighting/effects, DOA2 had the better engine.... like I said pretty much. Not just limited to the scale of backgrounds either, though TTT just deferring to PSone/Saturn level parallax tricks was rather embarrasing on Namco's part.

I really would've liked to have seen VF4 DC though. I wonder how it'd have stacked up to the PS2 port?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Yah but you're comparing an area of gaming where Nintendo has been dominating vs. an area where they've been slipping for years and another company dominates. While their philosophies might be the similar, their positions in handheld and console gaming are very different.

 

[Cold-Steel]

Yah but you're comparing an area of gaming where Nintendo has been dominating vs. an area where they've been slipping for years and another company dominates. While their philosophies might be the similar, their positions in handheld and console gaming are very different.

Oh, I completely agree.

But then again, with all the bizaare decisions that come out of Nintendo camp - maybe Revolution might finally break the curse? Who knows.

I can't wait to play more

Spoiler

non-

games on Revolution!

 

[imastalker co.]

TTT had the better lighting/effects, DOA2 had the better engine.... like I said pretty much. Not just limited to the scale of backgrounds either, though TTT just deferring to PSone/Saturn level parallax tricks was rather embarrasing on Namco's part.

getting rid of the parallax would've meant they would've had to change the gameplay dramatically.

it was only a port of Tekken Tag with updated graphics. that's it. having said that, everything about that game is better than DoA 2.

im suprised to hear you say something so nuts jarrod.

 

[jett]

DOA2, though it was on PS2 as well. It looked quite a bit better really considering what the engine was doing and wasn't surpassed until VF4 hit PS2 imo.

:lol

TTT had the better lighting/effects, DOA2 had the better engine.... like I said pretty much. Not just limited to the scale of backgrounds either, though TTT just deferring to PSone/Saturn level parallax tricks was rather embarrasing on Namco's part.

Just FYI, TTT's backgrounds were every bit as real time as DOA2's. The only difference is that the arena is infinite, but they are not like Tekken 3's PS1 backgrounds at all(which are pretty much bitmaps wrapped around the arena).

TTT's characters look *much* better. The stages look better(although DOA2's has multi-tier ones, they look pretty crappy...technically and artistically). Lighting makes a world of a difference, and DOA2 just gets crushed there.