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[Pedro Motta]

Exactly my point. I have no reason to drop $500 right now. Never cared for R & C. Returnal looks bland and definitely not worth $70.

At least Sony has games to not care, to be bland and not worth 70$.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

You are literally down playing launch titles that Sony actually had for their console. Regardless of your opinion if it's worth 50$, Miles morales is selling consoles on a monthly basis as seen in UK charts whenever there's console stock. So regardless sony's strat works, and obviously by the looks of software sold by their first party it's what a lot of their player base wants. Sony launched with games that are all in the 80+ range on meta. Minus the shit-stain that is godfall. ASTROBOT, sackboy big adventure, miles morales, and Demons souls all highly rated and selling.

What has xbox put out in the past 6 months? Gears tactics, and the medium. MEDIUM is a decent title to try for free on gamepass but no one is rushing out to buy it, nor is there data to suggest people completing it because it's a slog.

Say what you will, metrics show more people who buy playstation first party seem to complete them, so there for there is a large market of players who buy the said console for said first party titles. Sony's 2021 is even more stacked than 2020. And the fact you are not counting games that literally launch last year is disingenuous. 2020 was a banger of a year for first party. And even though it's not PS5 software, ghost, last of us part 2 continuing to chart while ps5's are being bought.

Microsoft may be playing this different market, but in terms of what they offer for exciting software that takes advantage of a $500 piece of hardware they really fall short. Sony literally can show you multiple reasons with their software of why you just spent $500. Microsoft makes the case for you to keep your xbox one x with gamepass and wait to upgrade once their software is mature.

Seriously just take a break from gaf your literally making yourself look silly. I think everyone here with a brain knows that pricing is a issue, but it does not take away the quality of software Sony is putting out for their userbase which just bought their system.

Something Microsoft can yell about how they are the best "deal" in gaming. Well if you just want a catelog of games, yes. If you want something that is really hype, and shows what the console can do not really outside of a 2 year old game gears 5.

It looks like downplaying to those who have overhyped it, and pretended those launch titles are something they're not.

Miles Morales is an expansion pack that was meant to be on PS4 for $20. Seeing how bare the launch cupboard was, Sony chose instead to hold it hostage in order to charge double the price, and get people to buy a PS5. Regardless of your opinion, it's an expansion.

Astrobot is a tech demo to showcase the dualsense controller. Nothing less, nothing more. Same as the last one was a tech demo for PSVR. Regardless of your opinion, it's a tech demo.

Demon Souls is a remake of game from over a decade ago. It released on the PS3. While there were some improvements to it, to portray it as a completely different game is failed logic at best. Regardless of your opinion it's a remake.

As to your selling points? Your observations are flawed. People are buying Miles Morales because there's not many options. Kinda hard to point to it as being responsible for selling PS5's considering the supply issues. People are buying XSX up as well. Not hearing people claim that the hivebuster dlc is the reason. That would be silly, yet here you are.

The real difference here is that Xbox fans aren't trying to paint a picture that's not there, while at least some Playstation fans are. Both consoles released relatively light on content. The XSX definitely more so than the PS5, but to portray it as some sort of landslide where the PS5 has all these next gen exclusives to play isn't just silly. It's a braindead argument that takes a herculean effort in mental gymnastics to perpetuate.

The reason this subject has really hit it a boiling point over the past week or two, is because while both consoles came out of the gate light on content... XB appears to have some great exclusives coming along this year, and going forward. While PS appears to have more and more delays with stuff being pushed back into next year at the earliest.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

And?

I played everything on my PS4PRO, then I got a PS5 and replayed Spiderman remastered and miles, and holy shit. It was like playing a different game. The fast loading, dual sense made me want to keep playing, and because of almost instant loading i was in the game world more and not waiting. The same is said for demon souls.

No. It wasn't like playing a different game. Neither was Demon Souls.

You guys are trying WAY too hard to paint the picture that the PS5 has all these exclusive games. Even going to the lengths of pretending that last gen games are PS5 exclusives... As well as PS3 games.

Truly pitiful.

 

[captainraincoat]

It looks like downplaying to those who have overhyped it, and pretended those launch titles are something they're not.

Miles Morales is an expansion pack that was meant to be on PS4 for $20. Seeing how bare the launch cupboard was, Sony chose instead to hold it hostage in order to charge double the price, and get people to buy a PS5. Regardless of your opinion, it's an expansion.

Astrobot is a tech demo to showcase the dualsense controller. Nothing less, nothing more. Same as the last one was a tech demo for PSVR. Regardless of your opinion, it's a tech demo.

Demon Souls is a remake of game from over a decade ago. It released on the PS3. While there were some improvements to it, to portray it as a completely different game is failed logic at best. Regardless of your opinion it's a remake.

As to your selling points? Your observations are flawed. People are buying Miles Morales because there's not many options. Kinda hard to point to it as being responsible for selling PS5's considering the supply issues. People are buying XSX up as well. Not hearing people claim that the hivebuster dlc is the reason. That would be silly, yet here you are.

The real difference here is that Xbox fans aren't trying to paint a picture that's not there, while at least some Playstation fans are. Both consoles released relatively light on content. The XSX definitely more so than the PS5, but to portray it as some sort of landslide where the PS5 has all these next gen exclusives to play isn't just silly. It's a braindead argument that takes a herculean effort in mental gymnastics to perpetuate.

The reason this subject has really hit it a boiling point over the past week or two, is because while both consoles came out of the gate light on content... XB appears to have some great exclusives coming along this year, and going forward. While PS appears to have more and more delays with stuff being pushed back into next year at the earliest.

Another way to look at Mile Morales is a way for Sony to make back money on their ps5 as they were selling at a loss......most people took the bait
historically sony consoles first 2 years have always been shit however im not sure exactly how much Covid has pushed along what they were working on so that could be much longer this gen....thats why things like gamepass and good BC solutions are really shining through at the moment

 

[Snake29]

It'a easy to downplay those launch titles when MS didn't gave you any shit to start with.

You all fell into their dumb marketing from the start.

The real difference here is that Xbox fans aren't trying to paint a picture that's not there, while at least some Playstation fans are.

Maybe start re-reading old threads before launch. Xbox fans were convinced of everything from Microsoft had lied to them about what they would get at launch.

You guys have become hypocritical though, now that exclusives are important again and use the pc platform as an excuse. I heard xbox fans saying "everyone should have access to all games from their devices" but locking out others is now a good thing? and you were so against exclusive and shit. PS fans have never changed their stance against exclusives because they are used to quality and know what exclusives mean to a platform. Here is where xbox fans constantly change their stance based on what their god is saying.

Talking about trying something way to hard.

 

[DemonCleaner]

i hope they all won't go down the same road RARE did...

 

[Romulus]

Seems like MS always has this ever growing banner of studios that produces virtually nothing. That's one strategy I guess, buy up every studio and shelf them.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Another way to look at Mile Morales is a way for Sony to make back money on their ps5 as they were selling at a loss......most people took the bait
historically sony consoles first 2 years have always been shit however im not sure exactly how much Covid has pushed along what they were working on so that could be much longer this gen....thats why things like gamepass and good BC solutions are really shining through at the moment

I agree, it's par for the course for Sony to have nothing the first couple of years before putting out steady content. MS is typically the opposite.

If you place a lot of importance on releasing games at the end of your consoles lifecycle, then you're gonna be light on content early the next gen.

MS really screwed the pooch early last gen. What they lost in a matter of months has taken them years to recoup. And that's with Spencer doing so in much better time than I figured was possible. The last thing to scratch off the list was games. It'll take awhile to line all of them up to where they're all releasing a steady stream of content, but once it gets rolling... It should be really really good for Xbox owners.

 

[johnjohn]

Seems like MS always has this ever growing banner of studios that produces virtually nothing. That's one strategy I guess, buy up every studio and shelf them.

It may seem like that because games take time to make, but this is by far the biggest Xbox Game Studios has ever been. The amount of content they're going to release this gen is really going to blow people's minds, especially the people who still think MS only has 5 studios. (Which seems to be a lot)

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Seems like MS always has this ever growing banner of studios that produces virtually nothing. That's one strategy I guess, buy up every studio and shelf them.

One of their stated goals was to make make you salty. They've succeeded beyond expectations.

 

[Topher]

Another way to look at Mile Morales is a way for Sony to make back money on their ps5 as they were selling at a loss......most people took the bait

But that's every console. Sell the hardware at cost or even a loss and make the money on the games.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

It'a easy to downplay those launch titles when MS didn't gave you any shit to start with.

You all fell into their dumb marketing from the start.



Maybe start re-reading old threads before launch. Xbox fans were convinced of everything from Microsoft had lied to them about what they would get at launch.

You guys have become hypocritical though, now that exclusives are important again and use the pc platform as an excuse. I heard xbox fans saying "everyone should have access to all games from their devices" but locking out others is now a good thing, and you were so against exclusive and shit.

Maybe don't get so upset about a console you apparently don't care for.

Instead of me re-reading old threads, why don't you throw up all these examples of them? I'm claiming Xbox fans haven't been raving about MS output at the start of this gen compared to Sony fans, when both are severely lacking.

The only reason exclusives are important is because once the PS4 lost the power narrative to XB1X last gen, that's all Sony fanboys had. Power, performance, better controller, better online, better service, less breaking, less noise didn't matter anymore. It was all about the GOTY AAA exclusives. That was literally the last thing you had to bark about, and oh how you barked.

Now we're in a new gen, and yet again it's all about power. Except that you can only twist that narrative so far, and as it becomes more and more obvious which console will end up winning that narrative.... You try and fall back to same argument that's always been there for you...

Only it isn't anymore. Seems MS has surpassed Sony on that front as well.

Doesn't matter who downplays or hypes anything. Xbox players know they're getting tons of new games this gen. Both from favorite franchises and completely new IP's alike. Sony fans will get sequels or reruns to stuff that came out last gen eventually, all while lacking any sort of diversity.

No need to get mad about it. Why invest so much emotion because other people don't like movie games? That can't be good for your health buddy.

 

[Topher]

The only reason exclusives are important is because once the PS4 lost the power narrative to XB1X last gen, that's all Sony fanboys had. Power, performance, better controller, better online, better service, less breaking, less noise didn't matter anymore. It was all about the GOTY AAA exclusives. That was literally the last thing you had to bark about, and oh how you barked.

Now we're in a new gen, and yet again it's all about power. Except that you can only twist that narrative so far, and as it becomes more and more obvious which console will end up winning that narrative.... You try and fall back to same argument that's always been there for you...

Only it isn't anymore. Seems MS has surpassed Sony on that front as well.

Surpassed Sony with GOTY AAA exclusives? When did that happen again?

 

[Arun1910]

No. It wasn't like playing a different game. Neither was Demon Souls.

You guys are trying WAY too hard to paint the picture that the PS5 has all these exclusive games. Even going to the lengths of pretending that last gen games are PS5 exclusives... As well as PS3 games.

Truly pitiful.

At least the PS5 had some new AAA games in some form.

Also as a primarily PC gamer, I can see why people say an experience is like a different game on PS5.

Going from 30fps to 60fps alone can change the way you play a game not to mention impact the visuals.

The jump from a 30fps Spider-Man experience to a 60fps one WITH Ray Tracing was a massive jump for consoles and did make it feel new.

Regardless, it's subjective.

 

[Yoshi]

They have owned their best ips, Banjo, Conker, Kameo and Blast Corps, since 2003 and did fuck all with it since 2005.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Surpassed Sony with GOTY AAA exclusives? When did that happen again?

I was referring to exclusives as a whole. Which ones win GOTY in the years ahead I won't pretend to predict. If you think everything PS4 part two will dominate GOTY awards this gen that's brave on your part. My argument was simply that Sony no longer enjoys the depth of development compared to MS that they once did.

 

[RJMacready73]

As an investment this is great for MS. Regardless if they develop a lot of these IPs into new games or not, I am sure they would be able to sell them in the future for a profit.

But speaking as a gamer who just wants to play new games, I have a bad feeling they cannot properly manage all these IPs and some are going to get put on teh back burner.

I'm fairly certain Bethesda will continue to manage its own IPs under the Xbox banner just fine leaving MS to continue what it's doing with the rest

 

[Snake29]

Maybe don't get so upset about a console you apparently don't care for.

Lol no dude, do not try to spin this shit. People are trying way to hard to downplay the launch titles. That's an indication that you trying to feel good for yourself, And especially looking for excuses to justify Microsoft launch.

Instead of me re-reading old threads, why don't you throw up all these examples of them? I'm claiming Xbox fans haven't been raving about MS output at the start of this gen compared to Sony fans, when both are severely lacking.

Well Sony delivered, where MS only talked a lot and couldn't even deliver 1 single freaking game.

The only reason exclusives are important is because once the PS4 lost the power narrative to XB1X last gen, that's all Sony fanboys had. Power, performance, better controller, better online, better service, less breaking, less noise didn't matter anymore. It was all about the GOTY AAA exclusives. That was literally the last thing you had to bark about, and oh how you barked.

No, it went downhill for MS after 2 years. They didn't even release anything worthwhile after 2 years, were Sony consistently delivered games for the system and even released a VR system. Developing AAA games takes time. Don't worry, someday MS will know what quality games are.

Now we're in a new gen, and yet again it's all about power. Except that you can only twist that narrative so far, and as it becomes more and more obvious which console will end up winning that narrative.... You try and fall back to same argument that's always been there for you...

Who started this power narrative? Who didn't deliver their promises? There is only one, so stop with the buttload of excuses.

Only it isn't anymore. Seems MS has surpassed Sony on that front as well.

Do they? I'm not seeing it.....

Doesn't matter who downplays or hypes anything. Xbox players know they're getting tons of new games this gen. Both from favorite franchises and completely new IP's alike. Sony fans will get sequels or reruns to stuff that came out last gen eventually, all while lacking any sort of diversity.

No need to get mad about it. Why invest so much emotion because other people don't like movie games? That can't be good for your health buddy.

Not mad bro, but you are trying to convince yourself way to hard, by starting to downplay those launch games, gives you a better feeling since MS is lacking in that part or all other promises?

One day, one day they will....and like you are already saying you have to wait.

Start talking when MS can deliver something. I the meantime...just shut up.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

But all Zenimax games are coming to PlayStation and Nintendo, right? So what does Xbox have that PS and Nintendo doesn't? Fewer games?

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

At least the PS5 had some new AAA games in some form.

Also as a primarily PC gamer, I can see why people say an experience is like a different game on PS5.

Going from 30fps to 60fps alone can change the way you play a game not to mention impact the visuals.

The jump from a 30fps Spider-Man experience to a 60fps one WITH Ray Tracing was a massive jump for consoles and did make it feel new.

Regardless, it's subjective.

No. They really didn't.

"In some form" is your attempt at peddling that narrative.

Saying "as a primarily pc gamer" gives your statement neither more weight, nor credibility.
30 fps to 60 fps doesn't make it a new game no matter how much you'd like to believe it does. No matter the visuals.

And to wrap this up. No... It's not subjective. Not at all. You can't act as if it's a different game, just like nobody would be stupid enough to act as Minecraft part 4 is about release.
Minecraft 1 30fps edition
Minecraft 2 60fps edition
Minecraft 3 Raytracing edition
Minecraft 4 coming soon...

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Some of those games/studios will need a lot of work to turn out good games again. Kinda happy Microsoft bought them though. Might light some new fires under those asses.

 

[jezhumphrey75]

i hope they all won't go down the same road RARE did...

sea of thieves?

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

We know what they did with RARE...

They need to earn my trust. We'll see

 

[D3SCHA1N]

Owning a good stable of IPs and developers is one thing, putting them to proper use is another. Xbox has squandered IPs with potential before and they've yet to demonstrate that their previous mismanagement is wholly a thing of the past. I'm cautiously optimistic, but equally braced for disappointment.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Lol no dude, do not try to spin this shit. People are trying way to hard to downplay the launch titles. That's an indication that you trying to feel good for yourself, And especially looking for excuses to justify Microsoft launch.



Well Sony delivered, where MS only talked a lot and couldn't even deliver 1 single freaking game.



No, it went downhill for MS after 2 years. They didn't even release anything worthwhile after 2 years, were Sony consistently delivered games for the system and even released a VR system. Developing AAA games takes time. Don't worry, someday MS will know what quality games are.



Who started this power narrative? Who didn't deliver their promises? There is only one, so stop with the buttload of excuses.



Do they? I'm not seeing it.....



Not mad bro, but you are trying to convince yourself way to hard, by starting to downplay those launch games, gives you a better feeling since MS is lacking in that part or all other promises?

One day, one day they will....and like you are already saying you have to wait.

Start talking when MS can deliver something. I the meantime...just shut up.

Don't be so salty lil fella. That burn won't sting forever.

I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. I'll get both consoles at some point. What am I convincing myself of exactly? Which one to get first?

I'm not spinning anything. It's simply a fact that
Miles Morales is an expansion
Astrobot is a tech demo
Demon Souls is a PS3 game.
You can get butthurt over those FACTS if you want, but whining about others downplaying it just because they won't go along with your fairy tale that they're really PS5 exclusive games won't help... or make it true.

Who started the power narrative? Everyone did. Were you born 8 months ago? Early last gen all PS4 fanboys could talk about was power and graphics, right up until they started losing comparisons. This gen PS5 fanboys are back at again, only they're struggling to get a win this gen with certain exceptions having to be given for them to even be comparable. How MS didn't deliver when runs almost every game at a better resolution. Why don't you tell me how they didn't deliver?

You're not seeing it because you can't see over that massive wall of a console you're snuggled up against.

I've said all along that MS shit the bed this launch with games. Why would I need to convince myself otherwise? Am I convincing myself that xbox is going to have some sweet games to play this gen based on available info? Would it make you feel less angry if I pretend MS didn't buy Bethesda... or any other studios for that matter?

How delusional do you need me to be in order to believe as you do, and what drugs do I take to get there?

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

We know what they did with RARE...

They need to earn my trust. We'll see

Do tell. What exactly did they do with Rare?

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Do tell. What exactly did they do with Rare?

You know. Or wait are you some MS apologist? Please do tell me where are all those great RARE games we got in the 360 and Xbone gen...

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Owning a good stable of IPs and developers is one thing, putting them to proper use is another. Xbox has squandered IPs with potential before and they've yet to demonstrate that their previous mismanagement is wholly a thing of the past. I'm cautiously optimistic, but equally braced for disappointment.

True, but that could be said about all their competitors and be just as accurate. Aside except from Nintendo perhaps.

Has Sony put Twisted Metal, or Socom to good use?

Has Steam/Valve put Half Life to good use?

Sega?

EA?

Ubi?

Etc...?

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah they have a great portfolio of devs, no doubt about that.

Hopefully they are gonna do better than rare.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

You know. Or wait are you some MS apologist? Please do tell me where are all those great RARE games we got in the 360 and Xbone gen...

No I insist. You first.
Rare's most recent game is also their most successful.

That's either with or without your concern trolling.

 

[D3SCHA1N]

True, but that could be said about all their competitors and be just as accurate. Aside except from Nintendo perhaps.

Has Sony put Twisted Metal, or Socom to good use?

Has Steam/Valve put Half Life to good use?

Sega?

EA?

Ubi?

Etc...?

Nothing about my post suggested this was exclusively an xbox problem, but this is an xbox specific discussion. As for sony, at least while they sit on a few IPs they release a number stellar titles from others, same cannot be said for xbox who hasn't done shit aside from their "big 3"...

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

When the best ya got is concern trolling with Rare, you've hit rock bottom.

All you guys hoping that all these studios end up doing better than Rare don't know what you're asking for. If each of them do merely just as well as Rare, that would equal roughly 120 million games sold.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

No I insist. You first.
Rare's most recent game is also their most successful.

That's either with or without your concern trolling.

Oh wait you're serious? You mean this game that got 69 on metacritic? https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/sea-of-thieves

Yes such a great game lol.... But yes it was a financial success, did you know gacha games are also financially successful?

Surely a financial success is more important than the quality of a game.

Anyway, I see you're a MS fanboy so I'm wasting my time anyway.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Nothing about my post suggested this was exclusively an xbox problem, but this is an xbox specific discussion. As for sony, at least while they sit on a few IPs they release a number stellar titles from others, same cannot be said for xbox who hasn't done shit aside from their "big 3"...

Funny, as I remember more than 3, but it's all good.

By "stellar titles" do you mean more movie games with Sony exclusive QTE's?

 

[Snake29]

Don't be so salty lil fella. That burn won't sting forever.

I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. I'll get both consoles at some point. What am I convincing myself of exactly? Which one to get first?

I'm not spinning anything. It's simply a fact that
Miles Morales is an expansion
Astrobot is a tech demo
Demon Souls is a PS3 game.
You can get butthurt over those FACTS if you want, but whining about others downplaying it just because they won't go along with your fairy tale that they're really PS5 exclusive games won't help... or make it true.

Who started the power narrative? Everyone did. Were you born 8 months ago? Early last gen all PS4 fanboys could talk about was power and graphics, right up until they started losing comparisons. This gen PS5 fanboys are back at again, only they're struggling to get a win this gen with certain exceptions having to be given for them to even be comparable. How MS didn't deliver when runs almost every game at a better resolution. Why don't you tell me how they didn't deliver?

You're not seeing it because you can't see over that massive wall of a console you're snuggled up against.

I've said all along that MS shit the bed this launch with games. Why would I need to convince myself otherwise? Am I convincing myself that xbox is going to have some sweet games to play this gen based on available info? Would it make you feel less angry if I pretend MS didn't buy Bethesda... or any other studios for that matter?

How delusional do you need me to be in order to believe as you do, and what drugs do I take to get there?

Take a break dude, your losing it. Convince me again when they actually can deliver a new AAA IP.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Oh wait you're serious? You mean this game that got 69 on metacritic? https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/sea-of-thieves

Yes such a great game lol.... But yes it was a financial success, did you know gacha games are also financially successful?

Surely a financial success is more important than the quality of a game.

Anyway, I see you're a MS fanboy so I'm wasting my time anyway.

Desperate times call for desperate metacritic measures eh?

Just because it's gameplay features don't primarily consist of stealth crouching through bushes doesn't mean it's not good.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Take a break dude, your losing it. Convince me again when they actually can deliver a new AAA IP.

Take a break from watching you get upset?

As soon as Starfield releases I'll let you know. Btw, what new IP is Sony set to release?

 

[RyRy93]

The story of MS for the last 5 years is that great games are coming, in that time none of the most successful games in terms of awards have come to Xbox.

4 Sony published games and BOTW, Dragon Age Inquisition was the last one and it's a multiplat. Puts things into perspective, all these developers and IPs don't mean much until they are releasing the games that match the hype.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

The story of MS for the last 5 years is that great games are coming, in that time none of the most successful games in terms of awards have come to Xbox.

4 Sony published games and BOTW, Dragon Age Inquisition was the last one and it's a multiplat. Puts things into perspective, all these developers and IPs don't mean much until they are releasing the games that match the hype.

Games are categorized as a segment of entertainment. If the only movies I was able to watch were the ones that won Movie of the year awards, and music which won album of the year awards I'd quit entertainment altogether.

Really puts things in perspective doesn't it?

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Alright fellas, I'm off to bed. Good going back and forth with you all. No hard feelings. Just a bit of late night warring just for giggles never hurt anyone. Especially during off peak hours.

 

[The_Mike]

It looks like downplaying to those who have overhyped it, and pretended those launch titles are something they're not.

Miles Morales is an expansion pack that was meant to be on PS4 for $20. Seeing how bare the launch cupboard was, Sony chose instead to hold it hostage in order to charge double the price, and get people to buy a PS5. Regardless of your opinion, it's an expansion.

Astrobot is a tech demo to showcase the dualsense controller. Nothing less, nothing more. Same as the last one was a tech demo for PSVR. Regardless of your opinion, it's a tech demo.

Demon Souls is a remake of game from over a decade ago. It released on the PS3. While there were some improvements to it, to portray it as a completely different game is failed logic at best. Regardless of your opinion it's a remake.

As to your selling points? Your observations are flawed. People are buying Miles Morales because there's not many options. Kinda hard to point to it as being responsible for selling PS5's considering the supply issues. People are buying XSX up as well. Not hearing people claim that the hivebuster dlc is the reason. That would be silly, yet here you are.

The real difference here is that Xbox fans aren't trying to paint a picture that's not there, while at least some Playstation fans are. Both consoles released relatively light on content. The XSX definitely more so than the PS5, but to portray it as some sort of landslide where the PS5 has all these next gen exclusives to play isn't just silly. It's a braindead argument that takes a herculean effort in mental gymnastics to perpetuate.

The reason this subject has really hit it a boiling point over the past week or two, is because while both consoles came out of the gate light on content... XB appears to have some great exclusives coming along this year, and going forward. While PS appears to have more and more delays with stuff being pushed back into next year at the earliest.

No. It wasn't like playing a different game. Neither was Demon Souls.

You guys are trying WAY too hard to paint the picture that the PS5 has all these exclusive games. Even going to the lengths of pretending that last gen games are PS5 exclusives... As well as PS3 games.

Truly pitiful.

But that's every console. Sell the hardware at cost or even a loss and make the money on the games.

Oh wait you're serious? You mean this game that got 69 on metacritic? https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/sea-of-thieves

Yes such a great game lol.... But yes it was a financial success, did you know gacha games are also financially successful?

Surely a financial success is more important than the quality of a game.

Anyway, I see you're a MS fanboy so I'm wasting my time anyway.

How about having an opinion yourself instead of being needed to be backed up by some SJW lefist journalists?

Not everyone can get a free card like Naughty Dog and Sony in general. Game got 94 by journalists, 5.7 by the userbase.

Sea of Thieves has a way lower journalist score by 69, but only 5.2 by the user base. TLOU remastered had a journalist score as 92, and a user score of 9.2. If bombing was the case, so would TLOU have suffered. Yet here we are, with Abby's steroids looking at a controversial failure.

Let's not pretend that because TLOU2 has a tranny and a mini golf game that it's why the game got slammed. There were scissor girls in the first game as well, and no one slammed that game.

I guess the only games you play are Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Tony Hawk: Pro Skater 2, mixed with a little GTA IV. I mean, they are rated highest as best games of all times, and you seem like a lad that chooses games because of metacritic instead of games that just seems fun.

 

[Snake29]

Take a break from watching you get upset?

As soon as Starfield releases I'll let you know. Btw, what new IP is Sony set to release?

Returnal, we had Ghost of Tsushima, we had Death Stranding, We had Destruction All Stars, We had Sackboys Adventure. Am i missing some? We know that Sony is not averse to creating new IPs. Now you again....

 

[The_Mike]

Returnal, we had Ghost of Tsushima, we had Death Stranding, We had Destruction All Stars, We had Sackboys Adventure. Am i missing some? We know that Sony is not averse to creating new IPs. Now you again....

Only two games on this list is worth mentioning, and it's not the UPS game.

 

[Black_Stride]

It'a easy to downplay those launch titles when MS didn't gave you any shit to start with.

You all fell into their dumb marketing from the start.



Maybe start re-reading old threads before launch. Xbox fans were convinced of everything from Microsoft had lied to them about what they would get at launch.

You guys have become hypocritical though, now that exclusives are important again and use the pc platform as an excuse. I heard xbox fans saying "everyone should have access to all games from their devices" but locking out others is now a good thing? and you were so against exclusive and shit. PS fans have never changed their stance against exclusives because they are used to quality and know what exclusives mean to a platform. Here is where xbox fans constantly change their stance based on what their god is saying.

Talking about trying something way to hard.

Name and shame.
Too many "xbox fans" "ps fans " but no receipts who exactly are you talking about and can you point me to the thread.

What did MS lie about, they said atleast 2 years of XGS crossgen while Sony told "we believe in generations" only for us to find MS crossgen 2 years is pretty much exactly what Sony is doing.

MS was making acquisition but never said all these studios would have launch titles.

Give me the reciepts so i can agree or disagree.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

but ... but... no games!!

/s

seriously though this is exactly why i didn't bother with a PS5. Sony's exclusives have gone to shit. Only games I miss from my PS4 are Bloodborne + Persona 5 and they aren't even made by a sony studio. Only games I currently want on PS5 are Demon's Souls and Horizon Forbidden West. Horizon is probably the only exclusive I care about now. I was hyped for TLOU2 but yeah we all know how that turned out.

Xbox/PC on the other hand has these games I want to play:

Halo Infinite
Hellblade 2
Forza 8
Forza Horizon 5
Avowed
State of Decay 3

I'm already playing Flight Simulator and The Medium on PC. Of course, any future Elder Scrolls, Fallout, or Doom games are likely to be exclusive to Xbox/PC. Starfield could even be exclusive! There are also a few games that look interesting but still too early to really get too excited.

 

[Arun1910]

No. They really didn't.

"In some form" is your attempt at peddling that narrative.

Saying "as a primarily pc gamer" gives your statement neither more weight, nor credibility.
30 fps to 60 fps doesn't make it a new game no matter how much you'd like to believe it does. No matter the visuals.

And to wrap this up. No... It's not subjective. Not at all. You can't act as if it's a different game, just like nobody would be stupid enough to act as Minecraft part 4 is about release.
Minecraft 1 30fps edition
Minecraft 2 60fps edition
Minecraft 3 Raytracing edition
Minecraft 4 coming soon...

I never said they were different games, you need a xanex.

All I said was I can see why someone could FEEL like they were new games cause the EXPERIENCE is new.

I never said they WERE new games.

There is no narrative to push. I agree with you, dumbass.

 

[WildBoy]

this!

Let's not forget MS owned Rare, they were the Naughty Dog of their time.

The guts of 90s Rare had already left to make Free Radical and other studios. Nintendo knew they sold MS a 300 million dollar empty carcass. But without Nintendos guidance and marketing dollars even Free Radical never reached the heights 90s Rare did.

 

[WildBoy]

Name one Sony IP that has online coop story campaigns.... Until Sony does this MS will always have that going for them.

 

[Hobbygaming]

A 13 year old remake and a $50 dlc. Next we got a $70 indie game coming. R & C is the only new AAA game coming up.

Wait you mentioned the same games being shown at every E3 so were you talking about TLOU Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, etc because there's been many games that released on PS while waiting for those

 

[LordBlodgett]

Whoa whoa whoa...I apologize...I guess Viva Pinata just wasn't my thing. I don't have kids. I hope you can understandpleasedon'tkillme.

Man that kinda response makes me think I missed out on something.

Nah, I get it. It's kind of a hit or miss game. But I loved its quirkiness and creativity. Kind of scratched the relaxing game itch that some people play Stardew Valley or Animal Crossing for.....