Play against the bots to get a feel for the game first. The community is toxic because just a single idiot on a team can ruin everyone else's game. Shrug it off and soldier on. The payoffs are huge.
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Play against the bots to get a feel for the game first. The community is toxic because just a single idiot on a team can ruin everyone else's game. Shrug it off and soldier on. The payoffs are huge.
Telling that idiot what he could be doing to help the team is way more helpful than "fuck this noob"
nephilimdj
Member
Suggest trying LOL or HON, Dota2 leavers in Vs AI ruin it for new people. Its terrible playing 3 people vs 5 bots, when both of the other players end 30/5/0 and your stuck 8/0/5
Drow/Sniper are quite simple. Try them out first.
The easiest way to get better at dota is to play with someone who knows it atleast is willing to baby sit and guide you. If you can get your experienced friend to play a while (like 10 15 games on lan with you ... or even online with voice chat it will help. especially if they lane with you ... some things like when to push forward when to back off etc come with experience. The game has a very harsh learning curve ... and the community is horrible but thats also because its very hard to make up for a player who is dying often .. unlike say in cs then one player can take over the whole game and compensate ... its much harder to do in dota.
Sure, fair enough. And I do that in my games too. But you know what? 90% of the time I do this, people don't listen or don't respond. It takes two hands to clap. I believe in being constructive to my teammates because it is a team game after all. But I honestly don't blame the vets for not bothering to teach the noobs because more often than not, they don't want to be taught and they believe they know better. Hell, I even experienced this with a close personal friend of mine.
no bad ideas. Carrys seem simple but they need farm. Also drow and sniper have no escape mechanism. The team wil hate you as youre the carry who isnt farmed and or at the low hp agi late game who is underlevelled and feeding.
I would suggest start with intell heros who atleast with their spells can help like say lich. You wont be dominant but atleast you'll contribute to the team and you arent playing high level so they wont expect advanced stuff like necros etc from you. Str heros are also a good start. Someone like sven is tanky and has a stun which always helps. Try and stay clear of agi carrys.
Agree. Most people don't listen and unless you are essentially micro managing them they willl do stupid things. as I said the best way is for a friend whos better at the game to help you out.
Play every single hero at least once. Learn what they can do which can help u when facing against said heroes.
Next learn about the different items and what they can do. Most orbs dont stack but there are exceptions.
Then learn to last hit creeps. This will be your farm and a way to deny farm and exp to the enemy.
Everything else takes experience which you will gain as you play more.
Next learn about the different items and what they can do. Most orbs dont stack but there are exceptions.
Then learn to last hit creeps. This will be your farm and a way to deny farm and exp to the enemy.
Everything else takes experience which you will gain as you play more.
Wow thanks that was helpful and you right I was having an issue with the camera. I was trying to position the camera so that I could see the viper and the creep wave but I would miss click and run up to the wave instead of moving the camera then I would miss cs because of it. I need to mess with the sensitivity some more and figure out a good balance like you said.
Did the slark build shadow blade? If so gem is still quite viable. Also, with a gem you can deward as you push to ensure the enemy has no vision of you, as well as see smoked units slightly earlier before a clash.
Really really bad idea to do sniper or drow if you don't have the basics down. If the enemy team has 1 competent guy who ganks, you guys are gonna have a bad time.
Case in point, I was earth spirit. Crapped on drow and silencer the entire laning stage.
I tried Drow out in practice game. Don't think I like her too much. Attack animation is kind of weird to me. If your not fed with her, it seems like you would be completely useless. At least with wr, I can still shackle or power shot or have items like a mek to heal the team after a fight.
Don't hesitate to immeditely mute pure trash-talkers, you won't get valuable advice from them 99% of the time. Like someone said before, those are most likely the worst players in the entire match.
Kaolin picker
Really really bad idea to do sniper or drow if you don't have the basics down. If the enemy team has 1 competent guy who ganks, you guys are gonna have a bad time.
Case in point, I was earth spirit. Crapped on drow and silencer the entire laning stage.
Kaolin picker
Might want to try Death Prophet. Her bats do good damage early, she has silence to prevent some magic attacks, and everyone is afraid of her ghosts since the patch. She doesn't need much farm so you won't have to steal from the main carry.
Yea he really needs a nerf. I've been having fun with him and have only lost 3 times. An insane ganker at lvl 3.
Go to lane. Combo someone. Kill him. Pop clarity. Go to another lane. Combo someone. Kill him. Go to base and heal. Repeat.
Although he's pretty weak to bursts. Though most players wouldn't know enough to burst him. Even if they do, he's pretty tanky so it'll take almost all of their nukes. His range is also pretty good that he can just camp at the back and jump into a team fight really fast.
Also 5-man 5 second silences are imba.
Really though I can never trust my teammates to do anything. I live in asia so I'm stuck with asians. I usually pick supports so I can always ensure I start the game with wards and a courier. Game is hard for asians
What? Dota actually has a tutorial and teams can now even have coaches. No one's trying to keep anyone out of any "boys club".
Oh and OP, since you seem to be struggling with camera movement you might as well give M3 scrolling a shot. It's vastly superior to edge panning imo.
I love his skill design so much, 75% win rate over 12 games so far. While I agree that he needs some adjustments I'm scared that they might overnerf him, unless fed he doesn't bring more than great utility and is completely countered by BKB after all.
I love his skill design so much, 75% win rate over 12 games so far. While I agree that he needs some adjustments I'm scared that they might overnerf him, unless fed he doesn't bring more than great utility and is completely countered by BKB after all.
SneakyStephan
Banned
It pays to play a few games in botmatches just to learn the basic controls (which are really akward at first until you get used to them) and to learn what a few of the heroes do, learn to buy etc and how to use the courier.
I played my very first match in a team with friends against random people and I was totally useless trying to figure out the controls and how to use the shop etc
He has a really high skill cap. We are winning now mostly because no one has any idea what he does yet.
I remember when slark came out and no one understood essense shift. Good times.
Also need to learn new combos with blink dagger
Are ancient apparition and outworld destroyer considered good, i remember i liked them when i played during the beta but never took the game seriously and ended up stopping because the qq was overwhelming.
What are considered good support also? i find the more interesting to play generally.
What are considered good support also? i find the more interesting to play generally.
Gonna watch it now 
Doubt I have any further insight to give considering after so many bot matches and the feedback already given I'm sure the basics are downpat, just wanna see some early level Dota haha
Hope you keep going for normal matches, it's the best way to learn especially since bots have a limited pool of heroes. Also you should try using a coach so I can see some feedback on if the system works well or not, only used it with friends when we had an extra who wanted to watch our 5 stack live, but it definitely felt like an edge even though we weren't using it as a learning tool. GLHF
Doubt I have any further insight to give considering after so many bot matches and the feedback already given I'm sure the basics are downpat, just wanna see some early level Dota haha
Hope you keep going for normal matches, it's the best way to learn especially since bots have a limited pool of heroes. Also you should try using a coach so I can see some feedback on if the system works well or not, only used it with friends when we had an extra who wanted to watch our 5 stack live, but it definitely felt like an edge even though we weren't using it as a learning tool. GLHF
LeeRoyBrown
Banned
I can't enjoy this game, I have played too much SC2 to find a game this slow paced exciting. I've dead set tried 4-5 times to go back and get into it. I just can't.
AA and OD are decent but are relatively difficult to play.
For supports, stick with Crystal Maiden and Venomancer for a start. They are both easy to play and are high tier competitive heroes.
Dude u could've HAD that viper at 5 min in! You were like 3/4 hp and he was 1/4 but you ran haha, in any case wanted to say Viper is a great hero! Great as in easy, all my mates I've introduced to the game have had breakout games with him after trying other heroes (as in like 20 or 30+ kills). Very easy and deceptively high damage, plus petty tanky. Theres been a few recommendations but I definitely think he's worth trying out if you're going to experiment with some other heroes while you find your feet (his skillset seems very similar to Drow's and I saw you mention she wasn't a favourite for you but Drow is one of my worst heroes somehow and I still did well with Viper so maybe that means something).
EDIT: Oh and one last mention of that missed opportunity at 5 min in, a really handy aspect of Wind Ranger is that her windrun (3rd/E skill) gives her 100% dodge rate for all physical attacks and Viper is pretty much a right click hero so if you ever want to man fight someone with Wind Ranger you can often surprise people by activating your wind run and then right clicking them to death while they wonder why they aren't killing you. Easily countered if they have a magic attack handy at the time but if you know their skill is on cooldown or they're just a right click hero like PA then you might be able to turn the tide or just use it as insurance to get a kill such as the mid fight you shied from.
EDIT: Oh and one last mention of that missed opportunity at 5 min in, a really handy aspect of Wind Ranger is that her windrun (3rd/E skill) gives her 100% dodge rate for all physical attacks and Viper is pretty much a right click hero so if you ever want to man fight someone with Wind Ranger you can often surprise people by activating your wind run and then right clicking them to death while they wonder why they aren't killing you. Easily countered if they have a magic attack handy at the time but if you know their skill is on cooldown or they're just a right click hero like PA then you might be able to turn the tide or just use it as insurance to get a kill such as the mid fight you shied from.
Gem is obviously a great item especially if you can ensure not losing it right away. In that particular case though, lifestealer was suggesting the gem to counter slark which doesn't work anymore. He didn't have shadowblade.
It's also a lot about practice but it is important to get some good habits when you're still learning. I'm a hon player originally and I've always had the map to the right, switching to dota with map to the left took me a very long time to get used to. I'll still instinctively move my mouse cursor to the bottom right to try and move the camera around the map, old habits die hard.
Thanks.
Yeah i remember i used to play both of those a bit, liked venomancer for the free wards and the other skill were straight forward and strong.
From what you said, you suited most with support hero. Try other one like Lich, Dazzle, or Lion. Try as many heroes as you can even if they mostly share a same role.
Yeah I'm a big fan of strength heroes for beginners, only downside is most are melee and the ranged harass can rattle the confidence in going for last hits or engaging. But yeah I like to play in lane with my newer friends and give them someone like a SK/DK/Slardar and then initiate to set them up for their stun and usually pays off with a kill, but then having an experienced player in lane with you is always gonna make things travel smoother.
I fully agree. Just think that DK can regen the harrass away and also harass back with breath (even better with a soul ring)
But on second thought. If the OP wants to play support he should try Warlock. A very good heal and the Rock! Just get aghanims and refresher for 4 Rocks!
SneakyStephan
Banned
except that the mid will go missing on the map every single time he is up his stairs and your creeps are not... so having your mid player call out when he goes missing for more than a few seconds really helps.
It also really helps to call missing when a hero gets a key ability (bounty hit 6 and went missing from lane so you warn the mid player, mid player hit 6 and goes missing now your lanes know they have to expect a gank while before 6 they would have been pretty safe unless he found a haste or DD.
You can't get all this info just from the map. Games where the people in lane against huskar/spiritbreaker/bounty/clockwork actually call out when he hits 6 and goes missing are so much nicer than games where it's not called
OT: as for what heroes are easy for beginners, pick something that doesn't need a lot of farm (I see CK or Sk mentioned, really? they are no fun unless you have a ton of farm on them since you'll just be chasing after people with no slow and no damage)
Imo heroes like axe, dazzle, death prophet, lina (long range makes for easy laning) and omni knight (just learn to repel the carry and not tunnelvision that stupid healbomb
) are all pretty straightforward to play, strong in midgame without much farm and can be useful on a new player.Once you learn how to farm properly you can start having a go at real carries.
You are elaborating on what I just said. It's nice and better when it's done, but it's still your main responsibility to be aware of the map and have ward coverage when you are in a sidelane. I've seen too many players start shouting matches over how or why x player hasn't called missing when wards were up and ganks extremely obvious rather than focus on the game and try to actually win it. And that's why most of the time in pubs, I will rush long lane because often people can't handle it and start raging at the first gank.
I do not agree on not getting enough info from the map though, levels are always easily checked and after enough games you have a rough timing of when heroes hit certain levels and when they pick up important items. Also, a quick glance on the map every few seconds suffices to know exactly where the enemies are.
I am far from fond of this mentality where people try to blame their deaths on others. It is extremely counter productive.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Well any ganker who isn't an idiot will avoid running past the usual ward spots or use a smoke or teleport (instead of running past the river like every derp out there
)So relying on wards to spot movement is only half reliable, you can't just rely on the opponent being shit all the time
Again, you check the map yourself but people in lane need to call missing too at certain times, you need both to be successful.
AdventureRacing
Member
I know. Playing a few matches to learn the basic mechanics and getting an idea of what is going to actually be in the game certainly helps (in RTS you can use the campaign or arcade games to do this). You should definitely read up a little bit on strats as well so you have a basic idea of what you're in for. Personally i would highly recommend watching some pro games to get an idea of what you should be doing. This is how i jumped into SC2 and i basically went straight into diamond.
I just think that 50 hours or something crazy like that facing bots just isn't worth it. You'll learn some things but when you start you still won't be very good and will have to learn the things that can only be learned facing people. Maybe spend 4-5 hours playing bots or something and then just jump in.
Avallon
Member
Don't build Tranquils on Ursa! You're running around with brown boots all game!
Definately practice practice practice. Like has been said, having at least one game with each hero gives you a rough idea of what they can do, so when you are against them you know what moves they might throw at you. The best advice I could probably give is keep an eye on the minimap, like its your rear view mirror in a car. If the enemy X's have suddenly disappeared, think about where you are positioned and how safe you are. Running back to your tower might be a safe bet just to be sure
And yeah, call out missing. If you Alt-Click on an enemy protrait at the top of the screen, it auto calls them missing!
And yeah, call out missing. If you Alt-Click on an enemy protrait at the top of the screen, it auto calls them missing!
Broken tranquils still have higher base movespeed than brown boots. That said you should get phase instead.
But you do get stats and/or damage with phase and pt. I would build tranqs as a poor alt if you can still disassemble it for vlads
TheHollowNight
Member
Someone already linked Purge's website, but I think it's even more helpful to watch his YouTube channel. He gives great replay commentaries on his games for practically every character. Very informative chill dude.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PurgeGamers
http://www.youtube.com/user/PurgeGamers
I've read a lot of comments in this thread about how intimidated new players are. Don't be! Just smile and laugh off any mistakes you did. Chances are your teamates are on the same playing field as you. And if you are super nervous about what people say just mute everyone before the game starts.
Have fun losing your life!
Have fun losing your life!
The Lamonster
Member
OP makes this game sound not fun at all. I tried to get into HoN and it was a very similar experience. I'm just gonna wait for Heroes of the Storm.
I'd say get some friends to play the game with you, or make some in-game.
These types of games serve best when playing with your friends.
If you solo-queue, it doesn't matter what game you're playing, you will have a random time and some guys will have a-holes.
At least you have the mute option so you could always just mute everyone if you wanted to.
Ugh, I think the only way someone will enjoy that game is if they haven't played another MOBA. It looks painfully casual. Only cool thing is the active arenas.
These types of games serve best when playing with your friends.
If you solo-queue, it doesn't matter what game you're playing, you will have a random time and some guys will have a-holes.
At least you have the mute option so you could always just mute everyone if you wanted to.
Ugh, I think the only way someone will enjoy that game is if they haven't played another MOBA. It looks painfully casual. Only cool thing is the active arenas.
TheHollowNight
Member
Yeah like others have said, start playing with a good set of friends you know & talk to over Skype. Preferably if they have already been playing DOTA beforehand as they can ease you into the game and give you advice, plus it will save you a lot of the shit you normally get with random pub games where everyone just rattles off abuse. I learned MUCH faster when stacking with significantly better skilled friends
Also get into the habit of reporting abusive players, uncooperative people, players that ping furiously all the time, 'br's' who purposely choose English language servers and throw the game etc etc. Many of the times I've made a complaint for bad conduct, Valve have acted on it.
Also get into the habit of reporting abusive players, uncooperative people, players that ping furiously all the time, 'br's' who purposely choose English language servers and throw the game etc etc. Many of the times I've made a complaint for bad conduct, Valve have acted on it.
PLAY IN GAFHOUSES
1.09 WILL TREAT YOU WELL
Most people went over all the basics. My only recommendation is to try out the heroes that look cool to you and eventually play all of them. You shouldn't worry so much about "tiers" or "competitive viability" when you're new to the game. Check out heroes on Dotacinema if you're not sure how they work and want to watch something before playing them.
>Game is hard. Make some friends and have fun.
1.09 WILL TREAT YOU WELL
Most people went over all the basics. My only recommendation is to try out the heroes that look cool to you and eventually play all of them. You shouldn't worry so much about "tiers" or "competitive viability" when you're new to the game. Check out heroes on Dotacinema if you're not sure how they work and want to watch something before playing them.
>Game is hard. Make some friends and have fun.
wr isnt really a beginner hero
always get lich as a starter imo
i never played with bots/practice, just go straight into matches
watch what other ppl do, you'll learn what to do by observing team plays and how your opponents use their heroes
copy what they do right, dont do what they do wrong
always get lich as a starter imo
i never played with bots/practice, just go straight into matches
watch what other ppl do, you'll learn what to do by observing team plays and how your opponents use their heroes
copy what they do right, dont do what they do wrong