Matlock said:Honestly, how'd this get all the love? It's an odd movie, and without a group of people to watch it on the second-go-round, it loses all of the "hey, everyone else is laughing, I might as well" feeling.
Pochacco said:ND is the type of movie that's HILARIOUS because it's not funny AT ALL.
I enjoyed it, I think...
...the dance scene was fricking awesome, that's for sure.
From my experience, and reading/hearing others [that didn't like the film], it has absolutely nothing to do with "mainstream funny" or "hollywood comedy". And by suggesting that people are looking for a particular kind of humour, you're suggesting that what doesn't qualify should have any freaking value. I think Memles did a excellent job of explaining why there was little of it.pestul said:Loved it.
The people who hate it almost seem to be looking for the cheap 'hollywood comedy' frills.. I derive this from them only enjoying the mainstream funny parts (ie. football and camera, ramp and dancing).
I thought the acting was [unusually] simple. Each character is a caricature. What's so difficult about that?The beauty of it for me was definately the dialogue and the characters. I thought the acting performances were awesome, and tremendously difficult to pull off.
miyuru said:Where were all you haters when we had our big orgasmic Napoleon appreciation threads?
Same here. This thread was actually the result of an IRC conversation about how much it sucked.Trakball said:Can't speak for everyone but I was late in watching the film.
miyuru said:Where were all you haters when we had our big orgasmic Napoleon appreciation threads?
Memles said:I watched the "film" tonight...and I can't say I really thought it was worth my time.
This is not a bad film. It has its funny moments. The dance scene was really cool, and I smiled at a few points, at a few characters.
The problem is that the film is not a film about nothing; it is a film that fails to actually be a film about something. It wants to be about something; it has all sorts of elements of your standard story of this sort. A quasi-love triangle, a big shining moment for the lead character in the beginning, generally conclusive moments for all of its characters. It may not have your normal three act structure, but some basics are there. And they're all bullshit.
Pedro is a funny character...the first time. Then, I stopped giving a shit. Kip and Rico were too periphery for me to even invest myself in. Nothing they said or did were really that hysterical; they just kind of did stupid ass stuff and I smiled on occasion. The character of Deb (And Pedro) were too deadpan and comotose to make me really care, and the hints at some form of love triangle ended up so awkward and idiotic that it failed to even register.
Then, Napoleon. I like the character, but it's not hysterical. I smiled at some of his antics, but he's a geek. He does stupid ass stuff, has stupid ideas, and might well be one of the stupider characters in awhile...and yet I didn't find that funny. So sue me for that. I loved his dancing scene, but its purpose in the film eludes me. Is it a big character moment for him? Not really, all he did was dance, and "get the girl" with his killer moves.
I ended up not caring about these characters because they were just there for 90 minutes. They didn't do anything special, change who they were, or say anything I found REALLY hysterical the entire time. I hate to be some sort of cynical critic (I once scolded a friend for seeing Christmas in the Kranks, and was berated for being too much of a critic), but the film had no progression. If you find the characters funny, you'll love it. I didn't particularly find every word coming out of their mouths hysterical, so I chuckled at a few parts and came out feeling like I had watching a frustrating attempt at filmmaking.
This outgrossing Garden State in last year's battle of the small Indie features that could is a crime.
wow. when you care about characters that means the story has sucked you in. you want to know what happens next, how the situation will resolve. you feel the events and emotions with them... you've never experienced this?Ninja Scooter said:not to derail this thread, but can anyone explain to me the concept of having to "care" about characters, not just in movies but books, tv, even videogames, came from? I consider myself a pretty big fan of movies, and i can honestly say i can't remember actually "caring" about any character in the history of movies. So long as i am entertained for 2 hours, the movie got the job done. I don't need to care about them. I don't need "character development". Seems like something movie critics invented to make themselves feel important.
sefskillz said:it's practically equivalent to saying you don't need a story.
Ninja Scooter said:not to derail this thread, but can anyone explain to me the concept of having to "care" about characters, not just in movies but books, tv, even videogames, came from? I consider myself a pretty big fan of movies, and i can honestly say i can't remember actually "caring" about any character in the history of movies. So long as i am entertained for 2 hours, the movie got the job done. I don't need to care about them. I don't need "character development". Seems like something movie critics invented to make themselves feel important.