While I sympathize, I think that's on the people who took away the wrong aspects of Pablo rather than the storytellers. People still lionize Tony Montana who is a lucky homicidal dumbass who wanted to bang his sister. You can't stop idiots from lasering in on aspect of a despicable person and idolizing him.
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Narcos S2 |OT| Spoiler: Snape kills Pablo Escobar - Netflix 9/2
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While I sympathize, I think that's on the people who took away the wrong aspects of Pablo rather than the storytellers. People still lionize Tony Montana who is a lucky homicidal dumbass who wanted to bang his sister. You can't stop idiots from lasering in on aspect of a despicable person and idolizing him.
Crazymoogle
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My wife and I just finished watching Narcos. Definitely top 1-2 on our Netflix list, can't wait to see where they take it.
Humanize him, definitely. I didn't see a hero at all but what I thought the show did wonderfully was detail how his humanity colored his decision making for better and worse. Like by the end of it all of his good will was burned up, and yet he still had what, 25,000 people show up to his funeral? It's fascinating tale of history and the how the Robin Hood character is not necessarily a good one. Like Gustavo kept saying, they're bandits...
Humanize him, definitely. I didn't see a hero at all but what I thought the show did wonderfully was detail how his humanity colored his decision making for better and worse. Like by the end of it all of his good will was burned up, and yet he still had what, 25,000 people show up to his funeral? It's fascinating tale of history and the how the Robin Hood character is not necessarily a good one. Like Gustavo kept saying, they're bandits...
Just finished S2 and it was so damn good. Better than S1 and S1 was great.
Pena may be my favorite character, but Wagner Moura as Escobar was amazing!
Can't wait for S3!
and damn
I am very curious how S3 will play out. I would think Pena and Murphy will both be back. They both need to be back. I don't care how accurate to real life it is.
Pena may be my favorite character, but Wagner Moura as Escobar was amazing!
Can't wait for S3!
and damn
Murphy wasn't there in real life when Escobar was killed
Just finished S2 - I thought that it probably could have been condensed by a few episodes, but they had to make it meet 10 for parity.
I felt that Limon's final big scene where
I hope S3 keeps up the quality - Keeping on Pedro Pascal will be great, because we will definitely need a strong POV character when detailing the Cali cartel. It's easy to write about Escobar, but the Cali cartel was run more like a business, with the "bad guys" being so far removed from the ground game that they're going to have to invent an awful lot to make them compellingly written, something that seasons 1 and 2 are already criticized for doing to Escobar.
I felt that Limon's final big scene where
he kills Maritza was completely unnecessary. The odds of him being within such close proximity to her - as well as being cognizant of her location in the first place if she had secluded herself to start a new life - came off as improbable and cheesy. It seemed like they did it only to dehumanize him for his upcoming death, yet they repeatedly established that he was uncomfortable with killing and seemed to only be following Pablo out of a sense of adoration.
I hope S3 keeps up the quality - Keeping on Pedro Pascal will be great, because we will definitely need a strong POV character when detailing the Cali cartel. It's easy to write about Escobar, but the Cali cartel was run more like a business, with the "bad guys" being so far removed from the ground game that they're going to have to invent an awful lot to make them compellingly written, something that seasons 1 and 2 are already criticized for doing to Escobar.
Weird to hear someone from Spain complain about mumbling when it comes to Colombian Spanish
.Loved the season. Overall even better than the first one, even if it dragged a bit near the end. Netflix is on fire.
If he was already living in Spain then there is zero chance he would talk like in the show, we are talking about the poorest and more abandoned people of Medellin, you'll never hear that outside the city.
How they handled the Murphy and Pena stuff surprised me the most. Didn't realize how
"creative" they got over their lives and what they did down in Columbia. Going Forward
I would like to see them teamed up again tbh. There wasn't as many buddy moments between the it feels like but I would like to seem them work together again
I think they were detained because you are suppose to claim it/have paperwork for any large sum of cash.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/cash-controls/why-this-obligation_en
(not mentioned on this website, probably always important to governments, to prevent tax dodging)
The family of a terrorist carrying large quantities of cash is not something you want to let in your country.
Many countries have the same law. I think it's to try and make things difficult for smugglers.
bobbychalkers
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Just finished the season.....Viva Colombia
Really looking forward to Narcos Season 3: Cali Revengence
The ending was...
Okay this is the best franchise from Netflix.
Narcos = Better Call Saul > Breaking Bad >>>>>> Arrow Season 2 = Flash Season 1
That's television as I know it.
This is a lovely comparison of the demise (ending spoilers lol): http://i.imgur.com/17svegX.jpg
Okay this is the best franchise from Netflix.
Narcos = Better Call Saul > Breaking Bad >>>>>> Arrow Season 2 = Flash Season 1
That's television as I know it.
This is a lovely comparison of the demise (ending spoilers lol): http://i.imgur.com/17svegX.jpg
I'm not sure if they were detained solely for the cash, otherwise Pablo would have booked them another flight where they'd come in without the cash. However, you have to declare large amounts of cash when traveling through airports, at least with international travel. You have to be able to show where you got it and say where it's going, otherwise you could get people to carry duffel bags full of cash to, say, Colombia as part of illegal activity.
ghostofsparta
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They did a good job of making me sympathize for Escobar. I seriously felt sad when he was killed.
The scene near final scene when he gets some fresh air was a great way to humanize him.
This is usually an effect that shows have on it, but I didn't feel it for Pablo Escobar. He was a piece of shit toward the end and I shared the satisfaction of when he was brought to justice. If anything, that part was glorified.
Finished it today -- great season.
I also agree that they tried very hard to humanize Escobar, and I can see how that would be really infuriating to somebody who was terrorized by him. Escobar is a terrible person, full stop. I like the episode with his dad the most, not only because it was fictional, but it spoke truth to power and shattered the (character) Pablo's illusion that he was a good person.
Agree 100%.
i think it went the way of not glorifying him by having his own dad tell him he was ashamed of him.
By the way-you can see the real Pena and Murphy
watching TV in bar where Pena is when Escobar's death is announced on tv.
RoyaleDuke
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Damn,
Incredible show, and I didn't think they would leave a lead for a third season.
I know a lot about this stuff already, but seeing people pull no punches with a series on narcos in Central And South America. It is really sad what the narcos do to the world. Despicable.
I think it will be so cool if they decide to focus on all the different cartels up to the modern day. if they Really are going to S2 ENDING SPOILERS
Incredible show, and I didn't think they would leave a lead for a third season.
I know a lot about this stuff already, but seeing people pull no punches with a series on narcos in Central And South America. It is really sad what the narcos do to the world. Despicable.
I think it will be so cool if they decide to focus on all the different cartels up to the modern day. if they Really are going to S2 ENDING SPOILERS
show the Cali cartel and Pena's operation to take them down.
the black pearl
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can we cast benicio del toro for season 3?
Ending was great. Beautifully shot and scored. And Escobar died like a rat. Really gritty.
Interested where they go next, but I was hoping they would jump forward to Mexico. I'm not sure if I want to keep the same Columbia vibe and characters just chasing the next guy. When the next guy can't possibly compare to Wagner Muira and Pablo Escobar
Interested where they go next, but I was hoping they would jump forward to Mexico. I'm not sure if I want to keep the same Columbia vibe and characters just chasing the next guy. When the next guy can't possibly compare to Wagner Muira and Pablo Escobar
Robot Pants
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Dear god yes. Although as good as the show is, I feel Benicio is too high profile for it
Lamel
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Yeah Moura as escobar was the main reason I enjoyed the show. I did really like the setting of Colombia in the 80s and 90s though, I haven't seen it in any show or movie before. The shots of Medellin engulfed in the hills were all so beautiful.
But I agree overall with your point, I am unsure if they can find a villain as captivating as Escobar and his sicarios
How can people be angry that pablo was humanized? Omg, this was so awesome. It felt like 100% "irony", one scene he is almost crying, sad/angry because his family is not treated well... In the next one he is bombing 100 innocent people. How dont you guys see this? He was just getting nuts, even more than he already was.
I loved the second season, the only problem from the first was that it made the American cops be the blessed angels, when in fact we all know (should, at least) that they always came in other countries to defend their own interest, even if that means a CIA officer supplying guns to guerrilla and giving a blind eye for some drug lords.
I loved the second season, the only problem from the first was that it made the American cops be the blessed angels, when in fact we all know (should, at least) that they always came in other countries to defend their own interest, even if that means a CIA officer supplying guns to guerrilla and giving a blind eye for some drug lords.
Just fnished it. Outstanding. Definitively somewere under my TOP5 of non comedy series. The two seasons are also awesome because i understand a lot of spanish and hearing them ramble in spanish was so great. "plata o plomo"
Wagner Moura, outstanding. Looked him up online, no big awards for him for his Escobar role? Damn, he got robbed.
Wanted to rip off Murphy's porn mustache everytime they showed him but when you see the real agent, he's even an upgrade.
Anyway, the mix in of the real footage with Murphy's commentary was done very well too. Crazy what happend back then.
Outstanding what Netflix and Amazon Prime both already brought in on quality in series overall.
lol, just going back now to the end to check. Nice touch.
Two more seasons? Don't know about that. Without Pablo...
Wagner Moura, outstanding. Looked him up online, no big awards for him for his Escobar role? Damn, he got robbed.
Wanted to rip off Murphy's porn mustache everytime they showed him but when you see the real agent, he's even an upgrade.
Anyway, the mix in of the real footage with Murphy's commentary was done very well too. Crazy what happend back then.
Outstanding what Netflix and Amazon Prime both already brought in on quality in series overall.
lol, just going back now to the end to check. Nice touch.
Two more seasons? Don't know about that. Without Pablo...
+1
finished. Yeah, it was great. Still immensely sad over
death, he was in my opinion the real hero of the serie, all things considered, along with all the Colombian good guys, ministers, politicians. These people risked their asses every single day only for their country and a lot died for it
hopefully Pancho doesn't become the lead in the next season because he's such a bland as hell villain
Carrillo's
hopefully Pancho doesn't become the lead in the next season because he's such a bland as hell villain
What a great series. Watched both seasons in about a week, and enjoyed it from end to end. I was sure they had spent too much of their material on the first episode, but episode after episode I remained engaged and the story was moving with momentum.
Really good, especially watching Luke Cage now it makes me appreciate what a good job the Narcos team did of making every episode interesting from end to end, because Luke Cage isn't managing that.
Really good, especially watching Luke Cage now it makes me appreciate what a good job the Narcos team did of making every episode interesting from end to end, because Luke Cage isn't managing that.
?? Murphy was there.
Also how would they do a season 3 considering the story is finished?
Neverender
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Cali Cartel
IIRC, Murphy wasn't actually there the moment that Pablo was killed. He showed up to the site where Pablo was killed a number of hours later. That's when the picture was taken of him with the body. Of course, for dramatic purposes, they put him there during the shootout in the show.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Not sure how I felt about how they handled that.
I guess technically he was a fictional character but until the show introduced Hugo Martinez (who was real and didn't die) as the new Search Bloc leader, a lot of people including me assumed Carrillo was supposed to be based on Martinez (they'd mentioned before that they couldn't use every person's real name in the series).
Then again as I write and think about this, that death, fictional as it was, was probably just meant to represent countless good people who died in the actual hunt for Escobar, as no show could possibly find time for all of that. So I suppose I feel better about it now.
LouisaFerre
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Just finished Season 2 and I just want to say that the high point of the show for me is definitely the
That scene was tense, chaotic, and beautifully directed.
Shootout in S2E6 at Pablo's safehouse
That scene was tense, chaotic, and beautifully directed.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I've been putting off watching several shows, but basically had a free week this week and unhealthily marathoned Stranger Things and this. Narcos was pretty damn good.
again I don't see how they made Escobar more human. He displays the bare minimum affection for his family, cheats on his wife, he's racist, sexist, uses the poor people of Medellin who worship him solely to satisfy his opportunistic ways, and unlike Tony Soprano, there's no one humanly worse than him in the serie
When people are inspired to make a figurine line you know maybe the show crossed a taste threshold (this actually made local news in a magazine, is not an obscure thing). I mean, how would you americans feel about an Osama Bin Laden figurine line?
Apparently it sold pretty well in the US
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/16/afghanistan.usa
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/16/afghanistan.usa
Grimm Fandango
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Finally finished the season. It started off good but it just came dragging on after Carrillo was killed. I just wanted it to end after about 6 episodes but it kept going. Guess that's what happens when you end season 1 after Escobar flees his prison because I heard there wasn't much material left.
I was getting so sick of the Pablo and Tata moments I almost wanted to just browse the internet until it was over. It was basically the same shit over and over again, seriously it was so boring.
A pity season 2 ended up like this for me because I really enjoyed season 1.
I was getting so sick of the Pablo and Tata moments I almost wanted to just browse the internet until it was over. It was basically the same shit over and over again, seriously it was so boring.
A pity season 2 ended up like this for me because I really enjoyed season 1.
ebullientprism
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He imagined him there. I thought it was quite obvious lol.
dude what
This reminded me of how I felt for Tony Soprano. I think it's good story telling, but I'm still cognizant enough to know Escobar was a complete shitbag. That's probably why they had that scene with his father.
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