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Naruto Manga |OT2| Not A Romance Manga

The Uchiha as very strong Ninjas as are the Hyuga but it isn't until they awaken the MS that they become S-tier (Kage level ninja). Basic Sharigan users like Part 1 Kakashi are high Jonin at best. Something a high tier Byakugan user (like AO or part 2 Nenji) can top.

yeah.....thats why the Uchiha were so feared even when 99.9% of them only had base Sharingan.

Itachi became one of the strongest in the village at a young age with just base sharingan.
Kakashi ain't even an Uchiha. Also Sasuke in shippuuden with base sharingan would wreck Neji who was a jounin.

Like I said it depends on the user (like Obito lol) but the top of the Uchiha far outclass the top of the Hyuuga.
 
Kakashi isn't even an Uchiha - Itachi destroyed a bunch of fools with his regular sharingan. Sasuke vs. Itachi also showed how Sasuke was able to keep up with his regular Sharingan because he was strong himself.

MS makes them magician were everything is possible, doesn't necessarily improve their fighting style.

Then again it's hard to judge the Uchiha because the couple one we got to know we're some of the most talented the house ever had - while that's not the case for other clans with more regular members.

AO isn't a Hyuga yet his Byakugan allows him to become a top tier Jounin. Those eyes are just another weapon of course, the strongest the user, the more effective it becomes.

Speaking of MS.

Let's list the MS/EMS eyes rank in order from Strongest to weakest.

Obito
Itachi
Sasuke
Kakashi
Danzo
Shisui
Madara


I'll say Madara's eyes are the weakest, as they don't seem to have any special abilities worth mentioning on their own. Most of this strength derives from him being an Indra reincarnation.

Obito's are clearly the strongest and together they are not only able to awaken perfect Susanoo (for some reason) but also unlock the best individual techniques like "phasing" and individual, short range and long range access to the pocket dimension. While also providing the lowest long term visual damage to the user.

I'll put Kakashi's lower as they lack the array of techniques Obito unlocked.

Itachi and Sasuke provide both extremely strong abilities in Amateratsu, but have the highest visual deterioration we seen so far. Thanks to EMS and high speed zombie regeneration, they are able to fully use their techniques in a way not ordinarily possible without any restrictions. I put Edo Itachi's MS over Sasuke's EMS because even though Sasuke has Itachi's eyes, Tsukoyomi is a overall better technique than flame manipulation.

On the matter of Danzo and Shisui, Danzo can use the Genjutsu daily, instead of having to way 10 years, which makes his version clearly superior.

What do you guys think?
 

Village

Member
Until Boruto! That's why I want him to have some sort of Byakugan. Make that shit feared. Come up with some new moves for it that no one has ever thought of or seen before.

I don't think so.

Boruto doesn't have demon inside advantage. I think if sarada got a sharingan, she would wreck him wholesale. And if it got to the next level , its done. Their eyes just do chaos control.
 

Tizoc

Member
IMO the reason Sarada needs glasses might be due to a hereditary side effect from Sasuke's overuse of the Sharingan.
 
hmm MS also effects their susanoo. Who has the best susanoo (excluding Sasuke's PS with bijuu power)?

Perfect Susanoo is the best Susanoo. And the best Perfect Susanoo comes from Kakashi/Obito's. Second best come's from Sasuke's and third from Madara.

Though I guess on theory they are all the same, we never saw Madara's flying but it has wings like the other two. Madara probably never learned to fly, because of PS giant size, all his enemies where on the ground as opposed to higher up.

I'm basing Obito/Kakashi being better than Sasuke only in that their weapon has OP warping abilities and Naruto saying it was cooler. I have no more evidence to be honest.
 
Perfect Susanoo is the best Susanoo. And the best Perfect Susanoo comes from Kakashi/Obito's. Second best come's from Sasuke's and third from Madara.

Though I guess on theory they are all the same, we never saw Madara's flying but it has wings like the other two. Madara probably never learned to fly, because of PS giant size, all his enemies where on the ground as opposed to higher up.

I'm basing Obito/Kakashi being better than Sasuke only in that their weapon has OP warping abilities and Naruto saying it was cooler. I have no more evidence to be honest.

wait I thought Sasuke's Susanoo was the only one with wings?
 
The three perfect Susanoo have Wings, they are pretty much identical in design (is a perfect form, hence why all susanoo's are different, yet the perfect ones look the same)
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Madara however, just uses his to hold the swords.


The are subtle aesthetic differences in the face and possible in coloration but besides that, they are pretty close.
 
Madara's susanoo is a lot bigger too isn't it? If it can fly(I don't see why it wouldn't be able to with those wings) it can probably beat Sasuke's.
 
The three perfect Susanoo have Wings, they are pretty much identical in design (is a perfect form, hence why all susanoo's are different, yet the perfect ones look the same)


Madara however, just uses his to hold the swords.



The are subtle aesthetic differences in the face and possible in coloration but besides that, they are pretty close.

Those are hands and iirc they never transform into wings. Sasuke's susanoo iirc always has two wings. When did Kakashi's susanoo get wings?
 
The three perfect Susanoo have Wings, they are pretty much identical in design (is a perfect form, hence why all susanoo's are different, yet the perfect ones look the same)


Madara however, just uses his to hold the swords.



The are subtle aesthetic differences in the face and possible in coloration but besides that, they are pretty close.

Those aren't wings. Just another two arms.

Look at its form when he pulls it out against the Gokage and Hashirama.

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Those aren't wings. Just another two arms.

Look at its form when he pulls it out against the Gokage and Hashirama.

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Those look like wings to me, albeit smaller. I don't remember Kakashi's susanoo wing size though.

On the Topic of Size, All Perfect Susanoo users rest in the middle of the forehead diamond. But I think Madara and Indra are the biggest ones yes, Sasue is definitely the smaller, he is pretty crammed inside that jewel.
 

Sai

Member
Yeah, that move was so cool......and then it got totally undermined by Sasuke's instant teleportation thing lol
"Undermined", he says... Sasuke's Amenotejikara was garbage. :p

It's only possible saving grace, having those stupid limits Kishimoto placed on it removed with the awakening of a second Rinnegan was ruined with his obsession with heterochromia dōjutsu. Amenotejikara would have been better suited as a Mangekyō Sharingan ability.

Base Byakugan > base Sharingan.
Sharingan was so broken that folks were attributing some of it's abilities to the Mangekyō Sharingan for years. Only thing the Byakugan has on the Sharingan, and even the "most revered" Rinnegan is in terms of the insight it grants those who wield it—the "dōsatsugan" that all of the Three Great Dōjutsu share.

Speaking of MS.

Let's list the MS/EMS eyes rank in order from Strongest to weakest.
Based on how I judge the efficacy of their respective dōryoku:
  • Obito
  • Itachi
  • Shisui
  • Sasuke
  • Madara
Based on how Kishimoto tried to portray the difference in their inherent/given power, and potential throughout the manga:
  • Sasuke
  • Madara
  • Itachi
  • Obito
  • Shisui
I'm not listing Kakashi or Danzō because if we're just ranking the eyes themselves, we shouldn't even have to consider how they were able to utilize their borrowed power. Obito's eyes shared all of Kamui's applications with the exception of the long-range casting via its left, and "phasing" via its right. There were no confirmed discrepancies between Shisui's eyes, and what we could discern could have very well been due to how their respective users' skills and bodies were able to make use of them rather than any inherent differences in how the eyes were able to make use of Kotoamatsukami.

I'll say Madara's eyes are the weakest, as they don't seem to have any special abilities worth mentioning on their own. Most of this strength derives from him being an Indra reincarnation.
It's not that they don't have these abilities, Susanoo couldn't have been manifested without awakening the power(s) present in both Mangekyō Sharingan. It's just that Kishimoto never bothered to show what his initial dōryoku was/were.

This could have been due to general laziness, or being all too aware of the fact that he had written himself into a corner when trying to figure out how characters like Madara and Obito could realistically lose when they had abilities like Kanseitai Susanoo and Kamui on top of the full extent of the Rinnegan's dōryoku.

Obito's are clearly the strongest and together they are not only able to awaken perfect Susanoo (for some reason)
That reason was likely the fact that his dōryoku had been bolstered by Rikudō's chakra after becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki.

I'd still like to think that Kanseitai Susanoo—or Susanoo's invocation alone—wouldn't have been possible without being bonded with the very source from which all of these powers originated, and that Obito's Mangekyō Sharingan wouldn't have been capable of it otherwise.

While also providing the lowest long term visual damage to the user.
It was never actually confirmed why Obito's eyes were never seemingly affected by overuse of the Mangekyō Sharingan, but based on how the recuperative powers of Hashirama's power allowed Danzō to reduce the recharge time of Shisui's dōryoku from a decade to a single day, it's likely that nearly half of Obito's body being comprised of Hashirama's cultivated genetic material granted similar benefits to his eyes' "light"; slowing down its degradation if not preventing it entirely.

I'll put Kakashi's lower as they lack the array of techniques Obito unlocked.
As mentioned above, both of Obito's eyes shared all applications of Kamui with the exception of it's long-range casting, and Jikūkan Idō/"phasing"

Itachi and Sasuke provide both extremely strong abilities in Amateratsu, but have the highest visual deterioration we seen so far.
This likely had more to do with how they were forced to use their abilities, rather than their Mangekyō Sharingan being inherently more inclined to lose their "light" faster; if their bodies had Hashirama's flesh grafted onto them as well, they may not have had to deal with it at all.

Considering the circumstances, Itachi's lasted surprisingly well—around a decade. Sasuke was forced into extremely fierce, multiple confrontations in which he recklessly overused his Mangekyō Sharingan within a very short period of time. He was especially reliant on Susanoo, and it was implied to deteriorate the Mangekyō Sharingan's eyesight especially fast.

Madara's susanoo is a lot bigger too isn't it?
As with all of the giant creatures Kishimoto's depicted, I've come to believe that he was simply being inconsistent, and that they were meant to be similarly sized.

If it can fly(I don't see why it wouldn't be able to with those wings) it can probably beat Sasuke's.
If we are to presume they are the same size, and base our judgement on the abilities we've seen, Sasuke's would definitely seem to be superior, as he's used his blades cutting shockwaves to dice apart much greater targets in Madara's barrage of Chibaku Tensei, and performed a Chidori strong enough to contend with a Bijūdama through it.

Those aren't wings. Just another two arms.

Look at its form when he pulls it out against the Gokage and Hashirama.

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Technically, all of their wings are secondary arms. The difference lies in how they are used as "sheaths" for their Kanseitai Susanoo's blades. Madara's lie at the tips of his Kanseitai Susanoo's wings, Sasuke's(and I believe it was the same for Kakashi's) at the alulae.

And they were all capable of flight. From the 4th Data Book's entry, which fails to list Sasuke, and Kakashi/Obito as users, ironically:

"It manifests massive amounts of chakra that surrounds the user, taking on the shape of a martial god that dwarfs mountains. It mentions that the difference between this and the normal version is that it perfectly forms an entire body. It also mentions that it's clad in armor that can be reshaped into wings, allowing the user to fly."

I think the only reason Madara's looked relatively small 'n deformed is precisely because he was never given an excuse to spread 'n use them.
 

Khezu

Member
Yeah, that move was so cool......and then it got totally undermined by Sasuke's instant teleportation thing lol

Sasukes Rinnegan power was kinda crap, Kishi put way too many limiters on it.

Anyway, it wasn't the teleporting that made FTG so cool, it was the mechanics of using Kunai's as the medium for the teleportation, and how cool those Kunai's looked.

It all came together as a cool package.

Where as Sasuke's thing was just bland, may as well have been a regular shunshin jutsu.
 

Sai

Member
More than the kunai, the craziest thing about Hiraishin to me was the ability to place those jutsu shiki on anything with a single touch, and when on an enemy's body, it basically becomes a "u ded" notice.
 
Sai you know your shit. Respect.

Sasuke exclusive Rinnegan power is garbage. The fact that it has both an area of range and a recharge limit, render it pretty useless.

It is technically faster than FTG, though it might be due to Sasuke being overall much faster and having better reflexes than Minato. (proven in how Minato speed even with the Chakra cloud was unable to keep up with Sage Madara). I believe we can imply that Naruto, Sage Madara, Rinnegan Sasuke and 8Gates Guy can move faster than teleporters/warpers.

Sasuke should have access to most Rinnegan techniques (I don't know how many of what we seen are actually Nagato exclusive) which makes him pretty formidable. He just happened to fight the one guy that battle all Rinnegan users in the world.
 

Sai

Member
Both Madara and Sasuke are capable of using all of the Rikudō no Jutsu(plus the seventh, Gedō) that Nagato first demonstrated. While they may be utilized in different ways, those abilities are seemingly as inherently universal to the Rinnegan, as the basic Genjutsu casting—or "saimingan"—is to the Sharingan. The only apparent user-specific dōryoku introduced were Madara's Limbo: Hengoku, and Sasuke's Amenotejikara.

Since these dōjutsu only show the true extent of their power if both eyes are with their original owners, or are perfectly compatible with those they are transplanted to, Obito and Nagato may not have been capable of using Madara's Limbo unless they were simply unaware of it. And, of course, there's the aforementioned "writing himself into a corner" thing in regards to Madara's use of Rikudō no Jutsu.

And while Sasuke's Amenotejikara sucks, his capabilities with the Rinnegan's Rikudō no Jutsu were not made out to be any less than the others; his experience was simply lacking in comparison. In fact, in spite of that difference in experience, Sasuke displayed probably the most impressive use of Chibaku Tensei, besides what we've seen accomplished by Madara and Hagoromo as present and former Jūbi Jinchūriki, respectively. What he did to the nine Bijū so effortlessly eclipses what Nagato struggled to accomplish both by himself, and through his Tendō Pain—and it was done without the black gravity cores, or the direct contact that necessitated the use of Hagoromo's Rikudō: Chibaku Tensei.

The Genjutsu he ensnared them with beforehand could have had something to do with that though.
 
I wonder why Sasuke couldn't levitate like Nagato. He can fly as Susanoo but never seemed to be able with his rinnegan powers. Could it be that Nagato's gravity control was his unique version of the Rinnegan? (I understand that he has Madara's eye, I mean as him creating the technique, rather than him unlocking it)
 

Sai

Member
Chibaku Tensei was all we saw from Sasuke's use of Tendō; not even Madara or Obito demonstrated any of the repelling and attracting powers of Shinra Tensei and Basho Tennin.

They could have been specific applications of Tendō that Nagato devised, but they should all be capable of reproducing it. Remember, Sasuke was still inexperienced, and Madara 'n Obito had to be gimped one way or another.
 
Thanks for reminded me how stupid I think Madara/Obito/Sasuke(well The Sauce was never in a position where he needed it so he's fine) were for never using Deva's powers.


I'll chalk it up to the same reason Madara never used his MS techniques, Kishi didn't feel like writing around all that OP shit. Obito would be too damn broken with Deva plus Kamui.
 
Another thing to notice is that Madara, Obito and Nagato used the same pair of eyes. Madara trained Obito, which later gave his eyes to Nagato. Obito was able to use all his rinnegan moves, he didn't chose so because Naruto had counters for all of them. Sasuke's rinnegan was fresh and new so that might explain it.

On an unrelated matter I just saw The last. I now fully accept Naruhina, I was always NaruSaku but I approved of their romance. Hinata wasn't just a crazy stalker, she does love Naruto.
 
Sasukes Rinnegan power was kinda crap, Kishi put way too many limiters on it.

Anyway, it wasn't the teleporting that made FTG so cool, it was the mechanics of using Kunai's as the medium for the teleportation, and how cool those Kunai's looked.

It all came together as a cool package.

Where as Sasuke's thing was just bland, may as well have been a regular shunshin jutsu.

Understandably since you can;t just allow him instant teleportation and the abillity to teleport other objects instantly just by looking at them.....and we use to call Amaterasu OP lol. Kishi got drunk.

I agree that FTG was cooler.

I wonder why Sasuke couldn't levitate like Nagato. He can fly as Susanoo but never seemed to be able with his rinnegan powers. Could it be that Nagato's gravity control was his unique version of the Rinnegan? (I understand that he has Madara's eye, I mean as him creating the technique, rather than him unlocking it)

No, Madara was able to levitate as well. Like you say why do it when you can fly.
 
I'm sharing some cool things I've found on Tumblr from the Naruto exhibition.

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There's a lot more stuff, but those are the ones that I liked best.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
You already pre-ordered the Sasuke one right? ;)

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Also, found this online LMAO.
This is amazing, haha. The most realistic Uchiha family photo. Needs flytrap Obito bleeding like crazy and swearing vengeance on the world. Then it will be complete.
 
Still think this is the absolute best use of that crazy Itachi face. I vouched for it to be used as the Telegrams banner, but the rest didn't agree. :(

Would've put had Itachi walking farther in the back before he passed Hashirama though.</nitpickin'>

Yeah I agree....this would be second xD

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