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NASA's Mars Science Laboratory |OT| 2,000 Pounds of Science!

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gutshot

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Say you have a paritcle pair. When you change one, the other changes instantaneously, no matter the distance - there is some type of 'bond' linking them; they are quantumly entangled. This isn't science fiction, it's reality. We do not know how to master this yet though. I love physics so much; such an amazing area of study.

Ah ok. So the idea, in theory, is that you could send a rover to Mars and have its particle pairs here on Earth and the commands you give to the particle pairs here would instantly take place on the Mars rover?
 

Thanks, man.
How can someone answer that question if they don't know what time zone you're in?

It's not that difficult; assuming you're in the U.S.:

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I'm in Brazil, -3h.
 
You still break causality - i.e. you can impact objects outside your light cone.
And again, that might be possible, but it requires a major reworking of physics.

For a little more formal look at the problem of using entanglement for faster than light communication, look at the no communication theory.
Good point to be made. I will argue that it is not a "major reworking of physics" that would be required but rather a more complete understanding of the Universe. Does this mean Unified Field Theory, a new branch of particle physics, or a tweaking of current formula? I have no idea. In the watered-down sense, quantum physics didn't completely invalidate Newtonian Physics, it just helped define the parameters of the application. So,I do agree there is a giant unknown gorilla in the room, but I don't think it will effect the nature of Physics Laws currently proven, beyond establishing limitations. Who knows? A Unified Field Theory very well could change Physics, but at that point one might ask if it is a stand-alone brand-spanking-new science or one that fills in the gaps.
 
Good point to be made. I will argue that it is not a "major reworking of physics" that would be required but rather a more complete understanding of the Universe. Does this mean Unified Field Theory, a new branch of particle physics, or a tweaking of current formula? I have no idea. In the watered-down sense, quantum physics didn't completely invalidate Newtonian Physics, it just helped define the parameters of the application. So,I do agree there is a giant unknown gorilla in the room, but I don't think it will effect the nature of Physics Laws currently proven, beyond establishing limitations. Who knows? A Unified Field Theory very well could change Physics, but at that point one might ask if it is a stand-alone brand-spanking-new science or one that fills in the gaps.

When we unify Einstein's Relativity with Quantum Mechanics we will be well on our way. Are you in the String Theory camp? Brian Greene makes some nice arguments, but I don't know enough to agree or disagree with its credibility.
 
Are you in the String Theory camp?
String theory has some mathematical gymnastics that are flawed (or at least hampered) by our current understanding of the Universe. I "like" it but I don't think it will be completely ironed-out for years to come, if at all. Having instrumentation dicate precision threasholds, it is hard to imagine an experiment that would prove this theory, I suppose that's why the team of people that come up with one will get a Nobel Prize.
 

gutshot

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Is this pic color accurate?

I think so. Here is NASA's description.

This is the first 360-degree panorama in color of the Gale Crater landing site taken by NASA's Curiosity rover. The panorama was made from thumbnail versions of images taken by the Mast Camera.

Scientists will be taking a closer look at several splotches in the foreground that appear gray. These areas show the effects of the descent stage's rocket engines blasting the ground. What appeared as a dark strip of dunes in previous, black-and-white pictures from Curiosity can also be seen along the top of this mosaic, but the color images also reveal additional shades of reddish brown around the dunes, likely indicating different textures or materials.

The images were taken late Aug. 8 PDT (Aug. 9 EDT) by the 34-millimeter Mast Camera. This panorama mosaic was made of 130 images of 144 by 144 pixels each. Selected full frames from this panorama, which are 1,200 by 1,200 pixels each, are expected to be transmitted to Earth later. The images in this panorama were brightened in the processing. Mars only receives half the sunlight Earth does and this image was taken in the late Martian afternoon.
 

Parch

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Curiosity's landing routine with a high degree if difficulty, and they stick the landing. Judges give it a perfect score. It's a gold medal for Curiosity.
 

rakhir

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Updating rover software remotely - even NASA can't make software right from the start!

I love the talk, it's fascinating. I'm speechless that they nailed the landing.
 

Parch

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Curiosity is a lot smarter than Spirit and Opportunity. The AI and hazcams should make movement a lot more efficient.
 
Newton is indeed the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in the galaxy. They were really on point with those EDL predictions.

Really interesting to hear about the software stuff - I've done my share of running and repeating painfully long test cases, and I can only imagine how painful that is when the server is on another planet. On the other hand, they probably have the whole process so thoroughly planned and reviewed that it's mostly a matter of running the steps and verifying the results (famous last words).
 

Oozer3993

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Power requrements probably. Needs to work, not work fast.

Reliability requirements are a more limiting factor. These computer components have to work in very difficult conditions. Big temperature ranges, constant radiation, possibly getting hit by a gamma ray burst, etc.
 
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