Nate Silver on Trump: Trump Boom Or Trump Bubble?

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He said it was essentially 50/50, which is hardly scientific, but a far cry from what you say he said.

Where does he say it is "essentially 50/50"?

Nate's 2% chance was based on passing 6 hurdles. Trump has passed 1.5 of them. certainly that makes Trump's odds go up, and Nate is acknowledging that. Somehow, that's backpedalling.
It's backpedaling because the reasons why he is changing his tone are the reasons people have been saying he has been underestimating Trump since this summer.
 
I agree with Silver that Trump is unlikely to be the nominee, but I really hate the mentality that if you dare to criticize Silver, his website, or any of his proprietary models, then you're "disagreeing with the math." Regression is not some magical tool that can instantly turn data into rock-solid conclusions. Underlying any statistical model is a series of assumptions that can be essentially impossible to independently verify. And the truth is that Silver's models haven't performed all that impressively in the past. Silver would be the first to admit that his feat of "calling" nearly every state correctly in the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections was overrated. There aren't that many competitive states in a given election, so absent some systematic polling error, calling states just isn't that hard. Look at an election where a good model might really add some value over just looking at the polls and his models just don't look like anything special.

I think one big issue is that a lot of Silver's early criticism came from bloviating pundits (Politico), partisan hacks with no incentive to be objective (Rove), and just plain idiots (the Unskewed Polls guy). It's hard to be critical of him without getting lumped in with those people.

I don't want to give the wrong impression here, I actually do like a fair bit of Silver's work. If nothing else, it's good to get people to understand how to think probabilistically. I just wish people would take a more balanced view of the strengths and weaknesses of his work.

Is anyone in here saying that disagreeing with him is arguing with the math? Nate himself hasn't put a lot of weight on his predictions this early.
 
Where does he say it is "essentially 50/50"?


It's backpedaling because the reasons why he is changing his tone are the reasons people have been saying he has been underestimating Trump since this summer.

Read the article I linked. he gives Trump a 50/50 shot of passing each hurdle.

I still don't see it as backpedalling, to say that something you said had a decent chance of happening (50/50) has happened.
 
Is anyone in here saying that disagreeing with him is arguing with the math? Nate himself hasn't put a lot of weight on his predictions this early.

Here on NeoGAF and elsewhere, there is a tendency to paint critics of Silver as math phobic and/or engaging in wishful thinking in the face of hard evidence. Yes, sometimes the comparisons to Unskewed Polls are apt, but at times substantive criticisms are basically being handwaved away by his supporters.

My criticism here is less of Silver than of (some of) his fans. I agree that he hasn't put a lot of weight on his predictions this early and is correct not to do so. I doubt he would disagree if I said that identifying six hurdles for Trump and arbitrarily assigning a probability of 50% to him of passing each hurdle is not exactly a sophisticated model. I'm actually on his "side" here (that Trump is unlikely to win the nomination) and I agree with much (though not all) of his analysis, but I don't agree with the reverence with which his predictions are held.
 
Iowa has meant nothing in a long time. Iowa is now that state that determines who is the Religious Nut Job of the year.

2008 = Huckabee
2012 = Santorum
2016 = Cruz

Cruz will outperform 2012 Santorum but he will not reach 2008 Hucakabee

He might. He has a more impressive grassroots infrastructure and republican voters are probably more enthused now than they were in 2008.
 
The Nate Silver defense force as in much denial as he still is. Cute.


This was posted by Nate just 3 weeks ago. The level of still wrong and lousy, unrelateable "data" in-sync to justify his 5% chance comments of the summer are amusing.
 
The Nate Silver defense force as in much denial as he still is. Cute.


This was posted by Nate just 3 weeks ago. The level of still wrong and lousy, unrelateable "data" in-sync to justify his 5% chance comments of the summer are amusing.

What exactly is wrong with him using historical patterns to interpret data? What exactly do you think is wrong with his methedolgy in that article. You are essentially just saying "Nate Silver is wrong here because I say so", in response to an article he wrote based on useful information about people's voting patterns.
 
There is no outcome assigned besides a positive feedback "effect". That is the same as a self-perpetuating cycle.

In the context of that old discussion it was used as justification for believing the current polls reflect how the primaries will turn out. They do because even if they don't, they do. That wasn't the point of Silver's argument.
 
In the context of that old discussion it was used as justification for believing the current polls reflect how the primaries will turn out. They do because even if they don't, they do. That wasn't the point of Silver's argument.
So this is all a reading comprehension problem on your part.

I clearly understood it to talk about a bandwagon effect, and the poster did not say that it will be definitely reflected in the outcome.
 
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