Natural Doctrine (PS4,PS3,Vita) coming to NA 09/16, EU 09/19
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TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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If the difficulty is a part of a good design, I can endure it. But if it's just cheap for the sake of being a pain in the butt, I don't think I'd last.
The game also looks like a budget game. Usually, that spells difficulty being poor design rather than a good challenging strategy game.
The game also looks like a budget game. Usually, that spells difficulty being poor design rather than a good challenging strategy game.
zeopower6
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For a studio's first game, it looks okayish IMO. :/
The way it works is the same as it did for the PS3. If you have another region's account on the system, you can download games from that region.
The way it works is the same as it did for the PS3. If you have another region's account on the system, you can download games from that region.
Cornbread78
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Nice, new jrpgs on Vita are always appreciated..
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Impressions thread peeps:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795635&highlight=natural+doctrine
It seems to have a great battle system but is incredibly difficult. The dark souls of srpg's lol.
I wouldn't put too much weighting on the characters or story. Typical jrpg stuff.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795635&highlight=natural+doctrine
It seems to have a great battle system but is incredibly difficult. The dark souls of srpg's lol.
I wouldn't put too much weighting on the characters or story. Typical jrpg stuff.
Kresnik258
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Too close to other games I want more unfortunately (Fairy Fencer F/Neptunia Rebirth/Xillia 2/DanganRonpa 2). Will have to fall into the "buy later" camp.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Its pretty hit / miss. More miss though due to various reasons, one being the insane gameplay system. Which if the player does not figure out / understand they will literally not progress in the game and the enemy will seem to have endless turns in comparison to the player. Read the info in the OT to see how the game system is explained. Videos are provided also, but no voice over them as I hate any sort of gameplay vids with talking in them.
Also folks laughed at the graphics which I agree with. It does look like shit.
BUT the gameplay is good and has resonated well with the crowd that enjoys more unique and challenging titles, which this most def is. But generally the odds will be stacked against you most of the time in the game so dont expect something that you can pick up play and breeze through.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795635&highlight=natural+doctrine
The import impression thread turned into jank OT. lol
The story is a mess really. I wouldnt say its typical jrpg stuff, its just a mess writing wise. There is no real direction it seems which is unfortunate. Its a low budget game, but gameplay wise its quite unique. But seriously feel this will be a huge hit or miss with folks. lol
Apparently Easy mode still will kick your ass if you dont understand the game mechanics. Even if you do, you can still die from doing something stupid. But at least from what I understand HP numbers are lower on enemies which helps. Esp when it comes to the bosses.
Also they actually made the game harder too by messing with how some of the gameplay mechanics work... That was not appreciated at all, since makes one unit almost useless with how its controlled.
they changed how the golem now can only be healed by Mel. Before you could use Nebula also to heal the golem, but that does not work anymore. Problem with this is now to heal the golem you waste a whole turn healing it where unless all enemies are dead the golem becomes locked down as its a constant race to heal it. The golem only can be moved during Mel's turn too so its either heal the golem or move it. Also if the golem dies its game over.
No the character models are horrid its pretty low budget and personally not something a publisher would want to be saying is their own self developed game. As stated above the good thing about the game is the gameplay mechanics. Graphics are already bad looking so folks will just need to keep that in mind. But for those who want something different most def check it out. But just be warned this game will roflstomp you hard so unless you dont mind a title like that would suggest thinking long and hard before purchasing it lol
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Hmmm looks like they are not doing the "Omochidashi Pack"? Which was PS3 / PS4 + PSV digital bundled together for a limited time. Was a damned good purchase too since you can load the data up to your account then redownload it and play on one / the other. Its what I picked up for the PS4. Was hoping they would do it for the west too for you folks that own a PSV too. Since it works great on both platforms depending on what you feel like playing on at the time.
The type of impressions from folks who do pick up the game is going to be highly amusing lol. I think there were only 3 of us here at GAF that had the game. 4 if you count Hasemo, but he sold it after a few hours or something.
Was planning on beating the game but am about 80% done with it. Currently am stuck on some HUGE pain in the ass level and thats where I left off and been busy with OTs and work since. D:
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In closing even of all the shit I give the character models, Ive highly enjoyed the game for its unique system and challenge it provided.
So those who are looking for that by all means pick it up when it hits the US / EU. And those who would have any gameplay questions feel free to ask me and will assist if am able to do so.the story is basically starship troopers
the dimensions are on the website. 9"x 3.14"x 11.8"
so a little bit larger in all dimensions than a ream of paper.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Its kick your ass if you dont understand the game system combined with not thinking through your actions hard.
super-famicom
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ranmafan
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Yeah that easy mode thing, gotta say it's one of the hardest games I've ever played in over thirty years of gaming and that's on easy mode. And in fact that patch I couldn't tell any difference from before. It's brutal! Even knowing the system well enough won't stop some crazy things from happening in he game, I love it but it's certainly going to frustrate a lot of people, which is a shame as the gameplay systems in this game are what make it unique and why I like it so much. Still it's a game that both excites and frustrates me. Can't wait to see how others view it. I'm expecting it to be slaughtered in reviews and impressions once more people get their hands on it. But hopefully many people can look past the games big faults and enjoy it's gameplay which is a great.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I know already a ton of folks will try to play it like a normal SRPG then get destroyed and instantly complain on a forum right after lol.
EvilKatarn
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Exciting!
But then I remember that I've never gotten anywhere in any SRPG. I'm complete trash at them. This game would probably be a waste of money for me. But that boxart is still pretty.
But then I remember that I've never gotten anywhere in any SRPG. I'm complete trash at them. This game would probably be a waste of money for me. But that boxart is still pretty.
TurbulentTurtle
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Pretty much my position right now.
After going through some of the impressions here on GAF and reading about the crippling difficulty, I think I'm gonna be skipping this game.
Just as well, my Vita backlog doesn't need to get any bigger.
fatgamecat
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Even tactics games with slightly above average difficulty or complexity tend to be savaged by reviewers. Tastes very much lean towards the easy RPG-like sandbox type of tactics games, not hardcore brain twisters. I expect this one to get roasted unless they seriously downed the difficulty for the NA version.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Thats not really possible, considering its the game system which is difficult. You will still get your shit stomped if you dont understand the game system. As the enemies will just keep chaining their turns on you.
Question, does this game include permadeath of characters who die? I like that in theory but in pactice I tend to not get very far in those games as I am always too worried about losing a unit forever.
fatgamecat
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Apparently you get a game over if any characters fall in battle, so you're forced to keep everyone alive.
Any tactics game that's both complex, difficult, and unforgiving is going to be panned by critics and most gamers, whether it's well designed for vets or not.
SatelliteOfLove
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Man, they are going for the title of King Shit Kicker Game for this, ain't they? Remember how people freak out in Megaten games where the PC die it's game over? Man!
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wouldn't have it any other way. Thats how I play all my srpgs
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Nope but as everyone else mentioned if anyone in your party dies its game over. D:
The game was developed by Kadokawa Shoten. NIS America is only the publisher for the US & European versions.
Unfair. In some other Strategy/Tactical RPG games like Shining Force, you fail the battle if the main protagonist (the leader) gets killed. Then you have to start the battle all over.
if anyone was waiting to get the limited edition, i would recommend not doing that much longer.
Damnit, pre-ordering the Vita version now.
Undead Bokun
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Anyone know the size of the install for Ps4? Any forced Touch elements in the Vita version? Debating between those two versions currently and that info could help push me either way.
SatelliteOfLove
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Not unfair. BRUTAL.
japanese box art for the ps4 shows 5 gigs for the install size, and there don't seem to be any touch elements for the vita version (i could be wrong about that).
Jawmuncher
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Reading the impressions in here.
Looks like i'll be holding out for a drop in price before jumping in.
I don't mind a challenge but what's been said in here sound too brutal.
Looks like i'll be holding out for a drop in price before jumping in.
I don't mind a challenge but what's been said in here sound too brutal.
Undead Bokun
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Thanks! At only 5 gigs I think I may go PS4. Seems like the type of game I'd like to play on the tv.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
thank god no touch controls. if its the same for the us ps vita tv it should work with it too. as tge jp ver works with the jp psvtv
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
it costs more lol
jokes aside doubt there is anything really different as the game isnt graphically taxing on the system
OK, so basically I'd be spending $10 more for easier streaming capability.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Basically. Since I own the physical PS4 version and digital PSV version. Since the data is interchangeable there is really nothing different about the two cept for sharper graphics for the ugly character models the game uses. lol
Still if you dont mind that the unique and highly challenging gameplay should amuse you!
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
great to hear it sold out!
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
seems like the ps4 version is getting 2 exclusive scenario DLCs. these are 2 single player missions and boast a high difficulty level. as if the game isnt hard enough as is.
goes live as free DLC from the 10th of July.
goes live as free DLC from the 10th of July.
BoilersFan23
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Sorry to bump this thread, but Amazon now has the game up for preorder on PS4 for $39.99 w/ $10 giftcard
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5UZMJO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
PS3 version is the same price as well now.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5UZMLC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5UZMJO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
PS3 version is the same price as well now.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5UZMLC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
The Vita version is the most "expensive" on Amazon now.
BoilersFan23
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Yup, it is. I wanted it on PS4 anyway, but canceled my preorder to save money. Now that its $40 w/ $10 credit...too hard to resist.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
PSV edition is actually the most useful considering the game doesnt really look all that different as the graphics are truthfully bad from the start.
Reason why the PSV version is the most useful since there is no omochidashi pack in the US you can use the PSV one with the PS TV or whatever they call the PSV TV and just transfer saves back and forth using PS+. So can play on the handheld and big screen whenever you want.
I have both the PS4 and PSV versions not to mention am one of the few people here that is actually near the end of the game.
Although here in Japan the PS4 version had special DLC just for it apparently. Did not get it myself though as dont need super hard DLC...which is what it was supposed to be.
Reason why the PSV version is the most useful since there is no omochidashi pack in the US you can use the PSV one with the PS TV or whatever they call the PSV TV and just transfer saves back and forth using PS+. So can play on the handheld and big screen whenever you want.
I have both the PS4 and PSV versions not to mention am one of the few people here that is actually near the end of the game.
Although here in Japan the PS4 version had special DLC just for it apparently. Did not get it myself though as dont need super hard DLC...which is what it was supposed to be.