solid2snake
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Dark Octave said:
CGI in combination with PS3 should be a forbidden meme.
Naughty Dog: "Were probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3"
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CGI in combination with PS3 should be a forbidden meme.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
You cannot really max-out programmable GPU that easily for the simple reason that better and smarter shading algorithms are being invented every now and then. Some things that were not even thought of, or some things that used to be too expensive can be approximated or optimized to run acceptably.captscience said:
For example, one thing that ND can do is add the motion vectored object based blur that KZ2 uses. Even thought that effect was invented earlier (Crysis uses it), it was probably too expensive on RSX until someone at GG figured out what to do so it can run without significant performance penalty.
I don't think they use the edge tools at all, the developed their own set of tools, according to Mike Acton at Insomniac.Kittonwy said:Sometimes I wonder how much of the Edge tools Insomniac uses, Uncharted does lighting and shadowing better than just about every game on the PS3.
Big Shirtless Ron
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rofl, exactly.Dante said:
it's pretty funny seeing the usual people whine it up in this thread, but completely ignore that one, where rare are basically saying the same thing.
and yes, draft is a joke character.
anyway, why are *people* referencing carmack? like ND are a bunch of 2nd rate hacks. pfft.
solid2snake
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my calculator uses only 40% of its cpu when i play Tetris on it. make a thread, quick!
Crayon
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I remember back when GT3 was in development and Polyphony got ahold of the then-new PS2 performance analyzer and found that GT3 was using 25% of the PS2.
So I looked into it and that 25% represented the time the system busses spent fully burdoned. And that actually makes some sense. But it's not a good number to discuss in a place like this.
So I looked into it and that 25% represented the time the system busses spent fully burdoned. And that actually makes some sense. But it's not a good number to discuss in a place like this.
Done.dark10x said:
Uncharted 2, what else? And they will be adding in water puzzlesElbrain said:
http://www.ripten.com/2008/01/21/ri...rt-style-water-and-the-advantages-of-blu-ray/
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
All three Jak games were 60FPS. Jak 2 and Jak 3 had tearing, but were rendering progressive frames at 2x vertical resolution of Jak 1 (among tons of other visual improvements, cloth physics etc...).Chiggs said:
Yeah there's always room for improvement, but those percentages look as hilarious as in the past. I think we really aren't going to get anything way over Uncharted this gen. Not counting the impact of art because team ICO:s next project will of course crush every game to date visually.
lolololololololol
I'd be surprised if Uncharted 2 didn't look better then Rage. I already think KZ2 looks better based on what I've seen....Just sayin
lolololololololol
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
What? Some of the gameplay videos of Rage don't look all that hot, like that buggy racing.zoukka said:
captscience
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Marconelly said:
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
If this were the case though, these GPU advances still wouldn't represent the sort of sea change that a quote like 30-40 percent power use would suggest.
I can however envision significant strides in SPU usage as it still remains somewhat exotic compared to the relative known quantity of the RSX.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
He's probably talking about SPU or bus usage with those percents, yes. But consider that to the human eye, difference with no motion blur whatsoever, and the kind of motion blur used in KZ2, would probably amount to a bigger than 2x better difference. That's just one effect alone, but it means a lot to someone looking at it even though it may not be mathematically taxing hardware anywhere near 2x as much.captscience said:
It's hard to find good pictures of J&D but that was in part because the game was so difficult to capture well being rendered in interlaced 640x224 resolution. They increased the vertical resolution 2x for the sequels to the full 640x448 frame while keeping the framerate nearly as stable 60FPS.-viper- said:
J&D:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/016/016447/imgs_1.html
Jak 2:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/535/535876/imgs_1.html
Jak 3:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/626/626995/imgs_1.html
Projectjustice
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I hate when devs spew crap like this. Its so 90s.:lol
If anyone can squeeze every inch of power out of a console Naughty Dog is definitely your best bet. Today I showed off Uncharted to a friend and he couldn't believe his eyes, even after having beaten the game the graphics still wow me every time.
If you look at the jump between Jak & Daxter and Jak 3 you'll know that there is awesomeness on the way.
If you look at the jump between Jak & Daxter and Jak 3 you'll know that there is awesomeness on the way.
BruceLeeRoy
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Kittonwy said:Can't wait to see UNCHARTED2 !!!222!!! in action.
They're still by far the best developers on the PS3 in terms of everything from gameplay/art/tech/writing. Sometimes I wonder how much of the Edge tools Insomniac uses, Uncharted does lighting and shadowing better than just about every game on the PS3.
Uncharted does pretty much everything better than any console game currently.
Always-honest
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tanod said:
exactly like it looked in-game........................................... except for an insane amount of detail and polish
solid2snake
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tanod said:
that's CG buddy.
How is it good? Why can they only use 30%? Doesn't that seem awfully low to you? Like, less than a third of the systems resources are available? The rest are locked away by an incredibly complex architecture that even the greatest coders in the business can't understand?Dante said:
How does that even happen? Someone designed the thing. It wasn't found in an Antarctic ice flow or the bottom of a Mayan temple. Why is the hardware so mysterious? Isn't there like... a manual?
JCreasy
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Kittonwy said:Why don't you go bitch and whine about how Tecmo couldn't get self-shadowing to work on a console that's supposedly easier to tap?
Naughty Dog got just about every current console tech feature at the time into Uncharted and the point is they still have room to improve, it's their first-generation game afterall.
oooh nice
thank u kitton
you're like Tinactin for forums
TTP said:
Ugh, hopefully not. Episodic gaming is pure trash. If they do a new Jak & Daxter game (a true adventure-platformer like the first), it better be a full product. Either that or let another studio like RaD make it while they focus on Uncharted 2.
Pein said:
Jak 4 not so much. However, Jak & Daxter 2 is fully welcomed. Did we ever find out what the Jak & Daxter: The Lost Frontier is?
Seiken said:
Not even close. GoW2 looks fantastic for a PS2 game, but come on now...
BruceLeeRoy
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dark10x said:
Almost a whole year was wasted on completely redoing their engine and tools for Uncharted.
Anyone remember the 1up yours interview with Amy where she was talking about how they
didn't even get the engine really working for Uncharted till really late in the pipeline. The fact
that they were under that kind of crunch and manged to create this is absolutely insane.
Marconelly said:
The buggy racing looooked Terrible, However, the character models and textures in RAGE look absolutely
staggering.
Dante said:
People getting this upset is absolutely comical. Especially considering the absolute leaps in visuals that
has accompanied every ND game to the next.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Keep in mind, they also probably would have it at 30FPS in that case (FTOD was 60 after all)Kittonwy said:
Always-honest
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well, this is actually very accurate........... stil a great looking game in motion.tanod said:
JCreasy
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Would you guys be totally opposed to the second Uncharted having a different characters?
They could pull a Final Fantasy where each sequel gets a new cast.
I say this only because Drake and that girl (whatever her name is, I'm sorry, she's pretty forgettable), were kind of bland to me.
Plus, the series is called Uncharted, making it easier to bill anyone they want in the sub-head, even a new more exciting character . . .
They could pull a Final Fantasy where each sequel gets a new cast.
I say this only because Drake and that girl (whatever her name is, I'm sorry, she's pretty forgettable), were kind of bland to me.
Plus, the series is called Uncharted, making it easier to bill anyone they want in the sub-head, even a new more exciting character . . .
Is it possible the next Uncharted will be longer? I almost feel as if the first game had a long period of time dedicated to creating the engine. I would really like to see the second game employ puzzles, co-op, and a 15 hour adventure.
Slightly OT: I really hope they fix the shooting mechanic. It seemed like some bullets didn't even connect while the enemy was in a hit animation.
Slightly OT: I really hope they fix the shooting mechanic. It seemed like some bullets didn't even connect while the enemy was in a hit animation.
Digital-Hero
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thuway said:
I agree with that but unlike FarCry Instincts Predator, the headshots matter.
Metalmurphy
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That's actually not accurate at allAlways-honest said:
It's an early build shot.