these 2 inconsistent jobbers when it comes to playoffs
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NBA 2017 Playoffs |OT| WE DID IT
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these 2 inconsistent jobbers when it comes to playoffs
perfectchaos007
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Can we take away Canada's only basketball team? They should be forced to form their own league like they do in football. The Canadian Basketball Association
Agent_Carnage
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That guy who played the Barney Song when they introduced the Raptors should get a raise. Go Bucks.
MetalFearSolid
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It already exists
perfectchaos007
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Well demote the Raptors to that league. They would dominate the regular season! And then lose to some town like Windsor in the playoffs
Don't tap on the glass
Ninja Scooter
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Gonna be a real interesting offseason dilemma for the Raps if they lose to the Bucks. Do they give 30 year old Kyle Lowry a monster extension, give themselves very little cap flexibility, lock up a core that was just bounced Round 1 and run the risk of becoming the East version of the Grizzlies?
LyleLanley
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What other options do they have besides blowing it up and starting from scratch?
MetalFearSolid
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This is it for the core.
Raptors could have easily lost 4 straight times in the first round. Thank the Pacers for gifting us the series that year.
Ninja Scooter
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Tough to say. They don't have a lot of options. Masai is a pretty progressive dude though so it'll be interesting to see what he does.
I'm pretty sure the Spurs are better off starting Dejounte Murray from now on. I know Parker will still start due to experience/seniority in the franchise but he's really, really bad when he's bad.
I can't remember the last time a starting point guard put up an essentially a straight 0 statline.
I can't remember the last time a starting point guard put up an essentially a straight 0 statline.
LyleLanley
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I feel like they have to ride it out with this team for a couple more years. Unless they can get some really one sided trades for picks.
MetalFearSolid
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We have to go into the tax to keep Lowry and Ibaka. What justification would warrant that if we lose in first round?
LyleLanley
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So you'd let those guys walk and then what? Trade DeRozan and Val then just start tanking?
Gotdatmoney
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It's either tank or coast as a bottom feeder team. They will elect to just be mediocre/borttom half team because mediocrity will still bring them more money. But this iteration of the team on paper is by far the best they have ever had. If they can't get out of the first round Casey is getting fired. They wont pay to keep this team together, it's not feasible.
friskykillface
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Derozen for the #3 pick
Do it Ainge
1 or 2 keep
3 or worse trade
Do it Ainge
1 or 2 keep
3 or worse trade
MetalFearSolid
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Celtics-GAF remember you picked Olynk over Giannis.
I mean Jonas is getting traded this offseason either way. He makes no sense on the Raptors with the other usage players they have on it. He's a waste, and the contract is movable.
Lionel Richie
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LyleLanley
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It's bad but 13 other teams did the same.
panthapanda
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Man the Hawks were going to pick Giannis but he went right before our pick. Would've been amazing.
sf2fanatic
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I'm saying the same too. I'm like wtf? 70+in a quarter and a half?
Vault Dweller 111
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Nothing would please me more than LeBron getting another (assuming the Jazz are toast by then) but the Warriors just seem too good.
Years from now I'll tell my grandchildren I was alive at just the right time to witness both prime Jordan and prime LeBron.
Also lol @ the Raptors last year I was telling everyone on here that they suck and Raptors fans were jumping on me like i was wrong or something, they barely squeaked past an old Wade last year.
And lol at LeBron haters I guess we won't see Bam Bam back in the thread for a couple days.
Barrage
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If they do rebuild, it,will be tough to,get value for their pieces. An old, small PG. A midrange jump shooter in a 3 league....
If I'm Lowry, I'm making a No Trade Clause priority number one at the negotiating table.
darkwing-buck
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What is dead may never die.
LyleLanley
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He's not getting a NTC, almost no one does.
Raptors certainly have some big questions. Their best option going forward is to target a mid lottery team with JV and try and get a pick and a useful player at SF. Maybe Minny at pick 6. They (Minny) need a C more then an extra guard, or if Toronto want a guard you could probably get Kris Dunn for cheap.
So flip JV for Dunn, Pek and a future first (or a few 2nds). Then move Joseph to a team that needs a backup PG and has a spare SF. Say Sacramento for Garret Temple and a first. (Sac has too many players and not enough room)
Then pay Ibaka and Lowry. Your team becomes
Guards Lowry Dunn Powell
Wings Derozen Caroll Temple Patterson.
Bigs Ibaka Poeltl and Nogueira
Now you have a solid playoff team, a lottery PG recovery project, potentially 2 future first round picks and a huge expiring contract that could net you a disgruntled star at the deadline.
Start Lowry Demar Caroll Patterson Ibaka so you have Demar flanked by 4 shooters and open up some driving lanes
Bench Dunn Powel Temple Siakim/Nogueira Poeltl
Have a rebuilding type year, finish 6th, Then take some chances on 2 high potential Wings in that 10-20 range. Hit on one of them and you now have 3 potential stars in their early 20s plus a whole bunch of solid starters and role players.
Thats everything Toronto would need to win a championship outside of luck and it required 0 tanking
So flip JV for Dunn, Pek and a future first (or a few 2nds). Then move Joseph to a team that needs a backup PG and has a spare SF. Say Sacramento for Garret Temple and a first. (Sac has too many players and not enough room)
Then pay Ibaka and Lowry. Your team becomes
Guards Lowry Dunn Powell
Wings Derozen Caroll Temple Patterson.
Bigs Ibaka Poeltl and Nogueira
Now you have a solid playoff team, a lottery PG recovery project, potentially 2 future first round picks and a huge expiring contract that could net you a disgruntled star at the deadline.
Start Lowry Demar Caroll Patterson Ibaka so you have Demar flanked by 4 shooters and open up some driving lanes
Bench Dunn Powel Temple Siakim/Nogueira Poeltl
Have a rebuilding type year, finish 6th, Then take some chances on 2 high potential Wings in that 10-20 range. Hit on one of them and you now have 3 potential stars in their early 20s plus a whole bunch of solid starters and role players.
Thats everything Toronto would need to win a championship outside of luck and it required 0 tanking
True Savior
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East is pure fuckery.
LyleLanley
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The Wolves would give up Dunn and a first for JV?
Oh, just pick up a star with a mid to late lottery pick?
Oh, just pick up a star with a mid to late lottery pick?
-Wolves can get a medical exemption for Pek this offseason most likely.
-The Wolves don't need a center, at least not like JV. They need a 4 who can shoot and to hope Towns figures out pick and roll defense. Towns is a center, not a PF. Dieng was maybe a mistake signing, but either way, JV doesn't fit nor does he make sense as he's not what Dieng isn't. That they're trading Dunn, and a guy who is going to be free salary cap room anyway, and a first or some seconds for a useless piece for them in JV is absurd. Dunn was beyond trash this season, but I doubt the guy they just picked 4th would go for a non-impact player like JV.
-You've got jokes thinking you're trading Joseph for Temple AND a first (PS, Sacramento doesn't own their 2019 pick as is and so can't even move a future pick easily right now)
-If you don't have any reasonable idea of what assets and players are worth on teams, it's best not to make these sorts of wild trade thoughts. It just looks bad for NBA GAF.
Hey, I mean, Giannis over Olynyk.
Plus, I think Bruno Caboclo is done being two years away from being two years away next season so the star might already be there. So if Fran was right, Caboclo will be ready to be something in his 4th season coming up for 2017/18.
Lmao
shira
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These guys are so ice cold their bricks are making a whole village of igloos.
So up it to 90% of the offence in Lowry and Derozan?
Why not 100%
Dunn or a first plus some later picks. Sorry if i wasn't clear
1. Why get Pek medically excempted when he has minimal value as an expiring contract. No FAs are going to Minnesota.
2. Towns is a PF/C he can play both positions in various lineups. JV is on a good contract and adds a big body who can protect the rim in big lineups vs teams like San Antonio, Clippers, Utah, OKC, Memphis, Denver. Plus some offense.
3. Dunn has retained some lottery pick value despite being trash and its suplimented by the value of Peks expiring contract and some late future firsts/ 2nds. (remember boogie just got traded for Buddy Heild a pick and an expiring contract) its the same deal for JV and is fair value.
4. Sacramento has too many players including 2 first round picks this season. One of them will be a PG. So they will want a backup on reasonable value since Collision and Lawson are expiring. (Joseph) They also need to clear minutes for Gay, Evans, Afflalo, Richardson, and a lottery pick at the wing positions. So Temple gets dumped for a more useful player at a position of need. Since affordable quality backup PGs are at a premium right now, it costs Sacramento a first round pick. Sacramento has the right to swap firsts with Toronto in 2018 should they want to. So Toronto get 2 picks out of SAC, Minny and Their own which are all likely to be in the 10-20 range.
Maybe my first post wasn't as detailed as it could have been, but everything is firmly within the range of accepted NBA value.
Martylepiaf
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Dwane Casey really has to go, that team would be great with an actual good coach. Lowry and DeRozan can't do everything by themselves in the playoff like in the regular season.
Peter Ian Staker
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You know what was even more embarrassing, Mavs GM wanted to draft him and well.....
Martylepiaf
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Lowry is a free agent at the end of the season
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