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NBA 2017 Playoffs |OT| WE DID IT
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Even if you assume they are the same on offense, Giannis is already, imo, arguably the 3rd pick for DPOY this year, and definitely 1st team all defense.
Giannis is already an all-star starter, and KAT wasn't, and you can't tell me the Bucks somehow had the fandom to propel him there. He's also only a year older (he came into the league at a very young age)
Giannis legit has some of the craziest versatility I've ever seen
Chezzymann
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http://www.thedreamshake.com/2017/4/21/15378112/russell-westbrook-nba-mvp-james-harden-vote-tracking
Westbrook confirmed to win MVP
Oh well, its gonna make the rockets sweeping OKC all the more sweeter. Real MVP in my heart is Harden.
Westbrook confirmed to win MVP
Oh well, its gonna make the rockets sweeping OKC all the more sweeter. Real MVP in my heart is Harden.
how?
Cornbread78
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At least it wasn't Oly or Wade taking him out.
Pretty sure KAT is superior to Giannis offensively in every facet
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/townska01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/antetgi01.html
on more attempts as well
oh and he's a sophomore in the league
and tbh his defense isn't even that bad, it gets blown out of proportion because well Wiggins and the rest of the Twolves are so bad, he'll develop defensively
I'm not worried about KAT > Giannis
it's more about when he's going to take over the league not if
LegendofDragoonLives
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Nah it will take 5. OKC will take one and then get pounded in the next two games. Though with these results out, I`d imagine they will come out swinging tonight.
LegendofDragoonLives
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KAT is a straight up bad defender at times. He just doesn`t read the game that well his positioning is suspect. Doesn`t matter if you`re worried about KAT or not, you`re wrong. He'll never rule the league unless he changes and heavily improves that aspect of his game. It's the one thing holding someone like Jokic and KAT who has a lot more potential.
Giannis is an all star starter and led his team to playoffs. Well on his way to reach the next round as well. But enjoy KAT's empty stats, you and the Wolves fan can pretend he's better while the rest of us live in the real world.
Dreams-Visions
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True Savior
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They are both amazing. KAT is as skilled as it gets. Giannis is a freak of nature. Right now Giannis is more impactful. Look at the game last night and how the whole raptors collapsed their defense to hold him down. It's the sort of thing you only see against the top-top players of the league. He's 22. If he learns to shoot the three, he'll become Lebron-esque.
He's 21. Thibs will teach him to defend.
He's 21. Thibs will teach him to defend.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Dude I know. I expect him to dominate in the league, I'm just explaining that he definitely is not as good as Giannis atm and what his biggest hurdle is. His off game for a big is already off the charts, he should just focus on the defensive end while adding minor refinements on the offensive side of things.
Hyperactivity
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I think the other thing about Giannis is that he's so utterly unique in what he is, and unlike many other unicorns, doesn't seem to have that much of a glaring weakness to any part of his game. He bulked up, is pretty damn strong these days. His jumper might be the biggest issue, but that's already getting better, he's already hitting different sorts of jumpers, etc.
The Bucks oftentimes run these double pick n' rolls of a sort, where Giannis plays both roles in the play. Ever since I started noticing them, I've found them so damn fun to look at.
Also, flat out, Giannis may be the greatest player at scoring in the transition.
Also, KAT being a sophomore is useless for this conversation, because Giannis came into this league younger and rawer than most, and is now only a year older than KAT. He might be in year 4, but saying he's in year 3 compared to KAT, hell, possibly even from the same draft, would be relatively fair.
I'll give this to KAT's defense - the Wolves often look like they're trying to execute a defensive scheme that's more complicated than what they understand, but when they do figure it out in flashes it looks great. Right after the all-star break, they had an amazing stretch, where their defense was great. Then, iirc, Dieng went down to injury, or some injury happened, and they struggled again.
The Bucks oftentimes run these double pick n' rolls of a sort, where Giannis plays both roles in the play. Ever since I started noticing them, I've found them so damn fun to look at.
Also, flat out, Giannis may be the greatest player at scoring in the transition.
Also, KAT being a sophomore is useless for this conversation, because Giannis came into this league younger and rawer than most, and is now only a year older than KAT. He might be in year 4, but saying he's in year 3 compared to KAT, hell, possibly even from the same draft, would be relatively fair.
I'll give this to KAT's defense - the Wolves often look like they're trying to execute a defensive scheme that's more complicated than what they understand, but when they do figure it out in flashes it looks great. Right after the all-star break, they had an amazing stretch, where their defense was great. Then, iirc, Dieng went down to injury, or some injury happened, and they struggled again.
Hyperactivity
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Richard Jefferson: "Uh oh, Cavs are playing playoff basketball, 3-0"
It's like how everyone was comparing KAT to AD at the beginning of the year, and then the season started, and we realized that KAT was fucking amazing but AD was already a top 10 or 15 player for a reason.
True Savior
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Jokic is going to have a better career than Anthony Davis.
Huh nah I didn't mean KAT > Giannis rn
I meant in the future he's gonna be the face of the league, I really do think he'll live up to expectations
Dreams-Visions
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I think that's part of what makes him funny. He's so square. You can see him still beholden to the nature of the Spurs within. Except on that rare occasion where he's feelin himself. lol
I think the Wizards would force them to 7
Dreams-Visions
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No you don't.
This Rondo thing's really unfortunate. I'm trying to figure out a potential timeline he could return in. The best thing the Bulls could do would be to close this series out quickly, and rest up. But really that 3rd game becomes so pivotal in that.
I'd like to imagine Rondo can return maybe the 3rd game into the next series, if they made it, but it's so uncertain. Bulls planning to reevaluate the thumb in 7-10 days, but typically fractures take 6 weeks like that? So that would sound like best case scenario, Rondo rushing a return for the ECF. Which the Wizards were more than fucking formidable with a healthy Rondo, and puts serious doubt on the Bulls already long chances.
Basically sounds like the Bulls are shit out of luck, barring some Rondo saying "I'm good to go" at a pivotal juncture.
I'd like to imagine Rondo can return maybe the 3rd game into the next series, if they made it, but it's so uncertain. Bulls planning to reevaluate the thumb in 7-10 days, but typically fractures take 6 weeks like that? So that would sound like best case scenario, Rondo rushing a return for the ECF. Which the Wizards were more than fucking formidable with a healthy Rondo, and puts serious doubt on the Bulls already long chances.
Basically sounds like the Bulls are shit out of luck, barring some Rondo saying "I'm good to go" at a pivotal juncture.
Yikes
That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. This must be a Bradley can spark the bench while shooting bricks and not creating his own shots. I hope he plays Center for the hilarity of it..he'd be better than Amir's corpse.
Wait he actually is 0_o
friskykillface
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friskykillface
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Hortford gonna get destroyed by the worse Lopez brother
LeroyPantwether
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That moment when you realize Gerald fucking green is your 2nd most potent offensive weapon.
Cornbread78
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Fuck my life... Like things weren't bad enough. Can G Green still jump?
RBelong2Us
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Oh how surprising...apperently Rondo got injured on a play that involved Olynyk
Cornbread78
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He can do 3 things. Shoot you in a game out of a game
and jump
Haven't seen him play much this year..
CassidyIzABeast
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Gerald Green is butt. RIP Celtics.
Umm nobody has...
Wait who is gerald green replacing? I wanted Jaylen in the starting lineup. he plays better with the starting unit, and diversifys the offense. He can shoot, slash, and play in the post, and hes a damn good rebounder. he also adds some much needed length to the celts. Bradley and crowder have earned their asses a spot on the bench anyways.
LeroyPantwether
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He's starting over Johnson.
omg fuck yes! anything is better than Amir. Still I think Jaylen is the better option.
MetalFearSolid
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Man maybe Brad Stevens deserves to get fired.
Come coach the Raptors Brad!
Come coach the Raptors Brad!
Why would you want the worst coach in NBA Playoffs history!??
The fuck is this
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