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NBA Offseason 2017 |OT| Only Big Ballers Allowed *please pay $495 to be a Big Baller
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SwipeLeftHoney
Banned
That would be horrible. Personally they should let Lowry and Ibaka walk and just sign a cheaper PG in my opinion. Trade Valuciunas as well as much as I like the kid, they're developing him wrong and not using him enough there.
Nets farm system is going to land them a big in the draft regardless.
SwipeLeftHoney
Banned
Ya I agree. Celtics are still laughing from the trade that gave them all those picks
Hyperactivity
Banned
So he's got a CF team, with the ability to add 1-3 all star (or even HOF) caliber players but he'd rather draft? That makes sense to you?
Derozan is the modern version of MJ. I wouldn't make that trade.
What Ainge is doing makes sense to me, yes. I'd love to know how you think he could add 3 all star or HoF caliber players though.
darkwing-buck
Member
I miss playoff rondo.
What are those?
They have about 72 million on books for this year.
1) Trade two 1sts and Brown for Porzingis.
2) Move Zeller + Smart to free up an additional 13 million. Add a couple 2nd rounders or a 1st to sweeten the deal.
3) So now you've got porzingis on a rookie contract, your starting core in tact, and almost 40 million to spend this summer to go after Hayward + 1 more guy.
Except he can't pass or play defense.
panthapanda
Member
Porzingis isn't worth two 1st and Brown.
That roster still probably doesn't beat the Warriors.
He is when you're contending.
And? Your core would be good enough and young enough to March to the CF for 6 years.
Larry bird celtics were never more talented than Magic's Lakers. 84 they beat a more talented team. Even they admit that. Go all in on a young and dominant core and you'll get enough cracks at it to win 1 or 2.
1. Jackson wanted the #3, 18 BKN, Jaylen Brown, and Crowder. Your offer doesn't even get it done.
2. That's dumb, why would they give up Smart to dump salary? Zeller is about to be a FA.
3. I thought you were trying to get 3 all stars? Now it sounds like you want Porzingis, Hayward, and some cheap bench guy while giving up all future assets.
The situation isn't as simple as "Ainge doesn't want to trade for all-stars" like you keep saying. He has a number of quality trade pieces and he knows not to spend them all in one place.
Lionel Richie
Member
Guys, did Danny trade for the Golden State Warriors yet? Keep me posted.
lolwut
Celtics and Cavs shit on us, and I have a feeling the Bucks are gonna be coming for that 3 seed, too.
he's a famous loafer model
1) porzingis and Hayward are all star caliber players and potential HOF caliber players.
2) I gave up two firsts and two seconds. That's hardly all future assets.
3) you give up Smart because with the addition of Hayward you can move Avery to the bench to take Smart's spot. Zeller makes 8 million and has one more year. He's useless.
4) cool. So stay not talented enough to win because even though you have the asset equivalent of Yankees money you don't want to spend any more than fair market value for guys who are the best/2nd best players on their respective teams.
You have FIVE first round draft picks in the next two drafts and I advocated giving up 1 of them. Lol, "all future assets being spent in one place"
also doesn't have shit on the Warriors or Cavs, as fucked up as that is.
That team competes with the cavs, warriors would still wok them though.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
So my worries about Hayward leaving are based on Ainge actually pulling the trigger on a big move for once?
I like our chances.
I like our chances.
Cornbread78
Member
Darkman gets it.
It puts them right there with a chance at least. Those inside out scoring options make a HUGE difference..
Sorry dude, other way around here. The PG deal is contingent on the Celts getting Hayward or Blake.
RBelong2Us
Member
Ehhh... Cavs are declining and could potentially be a few dudes that are checked out this season the way this summer has been going and the rumors going around.
That team beats Cavs. Paul George is like a lower tier KD but the type of player that works over the Cavs and with that supporting cast? They can beat the Cavs
Vault Dweller 111
Member
We shall see I guess.
Blake and PG is a good consolation. With the added benefit of not breaking the hearts of an entire state.
Lionel Richie
Member
That team with their depth (let's not forget the other players on the roster) would very likely beat the Cavs. They would probably lose to the Warriors, but they would compete. They would have the depth and the coaching to at least hang around.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
George is already recruiting dudes to LA.
I think this is just a Danny Ainge pipe dream. I don't think he has any actual evidence that George would sign an extension.
I think this is just a Danny Ainge pipe dream. I don't think he has any actual evidence that George would sign an extension.
Lionel Richie
Member
Danny is very conservative with his assets, just look at the amount of hate he got in the last trade deadline and around the draft. You can bet that if he's even entertaining this, there's a very good chance he could resign George.
Ninja Scooter
Member
PG wants to be a Big Baller. How can Danny compete with that?
Vault Dweller 111
Member
It just seems very strange to me. I don't think anyone would deny that the Jazz have a pretty decent pitch for Hayward. One that the Celtics would need to beat. Now I have no idea how much collusion goes on with this stuff, I'm not nieve enough to beleive it's zero. But walking into that room with Ainge.
"AFTER you sign here I promise I'll go get Paul George and he'll sign an extension, even though he has expressed no interest to be anywhere but LA"
Now unless they all talked to eachother quite a bit, that seems very far fetched. But I suppose it's better than nothing while trying to get Hayward to stay.
And yes I fully admit that I am just a desperate
Jazz fan trying to debunk all non 'Hayward stays' rumors.
Hopefully he can't.
Lionel Richie
Member
How do we know Danny isn't an even Bigger Baller?
Ninja Scooter
Member
Danny isn't even a Medium Baller
Cornbread78
Member
I want to believe it as well, but I have some serious doubts he woukd even entertain staying. Because of Bron....
Yeah, big baller for sure, but fton a Lakers perspective, do you think they will be competitive against GS in 2018/19 with:
Ball
Wade
PG13
Bron
Lopez (assuming he takes a discount to stay "home"
LyleLanley
Banned
I'm all for the PG trade and Hayward signing but the C's would be in historic tax territory if they keep everyone. I'm not convinced ownership would want to do that for a team that would still be the underdogs against the Warriors.
juliushandle
Member
Bleacher says PG called Klay to invite him to join the Big Ballers.
Why? Klay is very good player but blends in. He isn't and will never be the man on a team. He doesn't have the play making or shot creating skills. How does any player playing big minutes on GS average 2 assists??? It embarrassing.
You answered your own question. Klay is a great player who who would allow PG to still be the team leader and get more open looks. Also nothing embarrassing about having few assists when it's your job to catch and shoot.
Btw I would love to see a team of PG13, Klay and Westbrook someday.
Adrian Wojnarowski said:
I know Woj is usually right but... what? Why?
Btw I would love to see a team of PG13, Klay and Westbrook someday.
...in Indy.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I don't think they traded for Lopez with any expectation of resigning him. He was purely filler. To create enough cap space for PG and another max FA the Lakers are going to pretty much have to unload everyone but Ingram and Ball, maybe 2bac and Nance, and stretch Deng, and even then they are cutting it close. They are not going to have the space to resign Lopez or sign Wade.
Hell no, that looks worse than the Cavs. Ball will still be a baby. Wade will be an old(er) man. Bron and PG13 are a pretty scary combo but they're not beating GSW's 4 stars. Lopez will probably be better than GSW's center but who really cares.
You answered your own question. Klay is a great player who who would allow PG to still be the team leader and get more open looks. Also nothing embarrassing about having few assists when it's your job to catch and shoot.
Btw I would love to see a team of PG13, Klay and Westbrook someday.
PG isn't as good as Curry nor will attract the same defensive attention. My ultimate point is Klay as a number on a team wouldn't win shit. He can be eliminated because he's not a great ball hander, play maker or ISO player. Just him and PG don't do damage in the West either. Obviously if you add YNB a top 10 player..you're auto good.
LyleLanley
Banned
Kelly Olynyk Supernova well be missed.
Only ways Derozan gets moved is if Masai is fired or he asks for a trade. The Raptors have a long history of having their stars bolt. He is the star that re-signed voluntarily. He will get whatever he wants in Toronto for as long as he wants.
I mean he's already won two championships so I'm not sure where you're going with this
Ninja Scooter
Member
Masai seems like a smart GM so I highly doubt he'd be this blindly loyal to a single player. Anybody is available if the right deal comes along.