If the Pacers aren't getting anything of value I'd rather keep George. Why help another team? Why give them Bird Rights? Why give up your only star? He can leave if he wants but the Pacers shouldn't deal him for nothing.
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If the Pacers aren't getting anything of value I'd rather keep George. Why help another team? Why give them Bird Rights? Why give up your only star? He can leave if he wants but the Pacers shouldn't deal him for nothing.
Lazy vs Crazy
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Value is relative. Like, you aren't getting two lottery picks and a young starter. But a mid round first, a late round first, and a couple rotation pieces? Sure!
Lavine could turn into light skin Kobe still
Shamrock7r
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Goddamn as a Spurs fan, yesterday was one big case of blue balls
Starphoenix
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Yeah, getting the feeling the Spurs are stuck with LMA now, which means no cap room to sign anyone, or keep Simmons or Dedmon.
Shamrock7r
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Yeah, getting the feeling the Spurs are stuck with LMA now, which means no cap room to sign anyone, or keep Simmons or Dedmon.
That depends on if we go for CP3 or Paul George. If we go for neither, I think we keep Simmons. We are letting Dedmon walk no matter what.
I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world for LMA to stay. If he is still unhappy then he won't pick up his player option next year and we have a ton of cap flexibility next off season.
It is frustrating to hear this stuff about him. Dude's never been to a conference finals, or on 60 win teams until he came to the Spurs and he is still having trouble buying in to the system.
Ninja Scooter
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Mitch gonna give ZAza a max deal for that championship experience.
Lionel Richie
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Kind of weird to be a Boston guy doing that to help the Pacers but I suppose it's possible.
True that, damn I forgot about that since I read everywhere that the Cs had a shit draft because Danny traded down for no reason.
D-Wade is still there though.
if there's an extension it would be amazing... if not it's still not good enough.
Ninja Scooter
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It might not be intentiona on Kaufman's part. Just saying it seems like 90% of what is said during this time of year is smoke and/or BS. If we are hearing something, particularly something potentially this far out, there's probably a reason someone wants us to hear it.
Lionel Richie
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I hadn't thought about that, but yeah it makes sense. I doubt Danny would be exploring a trade for PG now if an extension wasn't in play though considering his stance in the past. Any other GM and I might believe that's true, but Danny is too committed to patience for that to be the case here.
Unless he's not having conversations at all with the Pacers, which I guess is also possible.
Hayward needs to be a lock. You get PG in a contract year along with IT. Low risk run and reassessment.
Ninja Scooter
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The extension part in particular is puzzling to me because it doesn't help PG at all. Unless he was hell never on going to Boston at all costs, the Celts would have partial bird rights so he could go for a year, see how he likes it and worry about an extension either during the season or next offseason. Obviously the Celtics could say no to a trade w/o an extension, but there hasn't really been any indications that George is desperate to get out of Indy ASAP. It seems he'd be fine playing out the year by all indications if it came to that.
But who knows. Like I said at the end of the day everybody could be full of shit.
Cornbread78
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Jeff Goodman just did an interview on WEEI and he doesn't seem to think the whole Hayward thing is a lock in Boston. He doesn't think it is a good fit because of his personality, i.e, the same problems that Crawford and Price had/have when playing for the Red Sox....
Kind of alarming to think about....
PG in a rental/assement year for a top 5 pick as absolutely ludicrous
While tougher environment than Utah, I don't think the Red Sox situation translates well to basketball, and I can't think of a great example to be honest.
Also, Price is batshit crazy and need help.
With the type of team the Celtics would have? Not to mention the amount of stashed high draft picks? It really wouldn't be.
PG as a possible rental makes no sense if you just add him to this team as-is.
Cornbread78
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For realz....
Just an angle I didn't think about since it's just been assumed he's a lock to play with Brad and the Celts this season.
The other problem with trading for PG now is how the hell do they come up with 19 million in contracts to trade for him with all the salary coming off the books next week?
you think hayward and PG on this team beats the warriors? Nah. It's a good team, but it's still not good enough, and again giving up that top 5 pick for one year of the same result is stupidity.
I don't think it's a lock, but those are silly reasons. Baseball is a different sport, the fans are different, and I don't know if Hayward's personality is similar at all.
Cornbread78
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True, the baseball media is a much bigger group of uppity douches for the most part.
I think Max and Scals should just do all the Celtics media in the market, lol.
HE said he was a very private guy, almost a loner, that likes to keep to himself and watch movies/ play video games more than anything else in his free time.
They should post the interview on WEEI.com shortly.
Lazy vs Crazy
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And Crawford's real problem was that he sucked at baseball.
Edit: also yeah the attitude between the sports is super different. Outside of Felger people around here adore the Celtics for just existing. The demands on the Sox are way higher.
Cornbread78
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Ninja Scooter
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There's definitely been some talk about how smaller markets (OKC with KD, Cleveland with LeBron) can tend to insulate and protect star players more so than the exposure of a larger market. Not sure if that applies to Heyward but I can see some players preferring it. Like if Heyward has a down 2018 season, Boston media and fans would probably be tearing him apart whereas Utah media/fans might be more forgiving. Trying to speculate on how Heyward might prefer borders too much on crawling into these guys' heads though. Heyward does have a good thing going in Utah, but I'd imagine what they do around their roster this offseason is something he will keep on eye on when deciding whether or not to resign. If they lose Hill, Hood and trade Favors that team could regress.
That would be a competitive team against the west, Cavs, Warriors, and even more if there are injuries. If Pacers ask for more picks it's a bad deal, but they are running out of any sort of leverage.
I don't think wasting a pick for a guy that could make your team great for a year is a bad call.
Crawford sucked and people treated him shitty.
Price had nobody saying really anything negative about him, then randomly went to different members of the media and flipped out that people don't care about him outside of baseball.
Ever since I can remember, we love to bury our heroes in this town. Price is a good case study so far.
Lol Celtics get the least scrutiny of the 4 majors when they fuck up by far.
Ninja Scooter
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You have personally probably made Al horford cry.
Depends on what we give up for PG, but yeah I would say they really could do it.
Ninja Scooter
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I mean, the Warriors look invincible, but you never know what can happen. KD or Curry could blow out a knee. I think if you are a team like Boston so much of your current success is tied into IT and Horford, neither of which are spring chickens. Yeah you have a lot of prospects and picks, but those are total unknowns, no matter how highly Danny might value them. I think in their position you have to shoot your shot.
StanleyStutters
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much. The Boston media/fan issue is largely a Red Sox thing. C's fans are usually pretty accepting and forgiving. I can't even remember a guy coming to the Celtics and having issues with the media in the same way the Sox guys do.
His sister talks mad shit on Twitter when people hate on him lol
Looks like Ainge has a binky
Adam Himmelsbach ✔@AdamHimmelsbach
Danny Ainge on @CSNNE on response when Jaylen comes up in trade talks:
"Very close to as soon as his name gets on there, we hang up."
Adam Himmelsbach ✔@AdamHimmelsbach
Danny Ainge on @CSNNE on response when Jaylen comes up in trade talks:
"Very close to as soon as his name gets on there, we hang up."
Our second best free agent signing ever!!!
Celtics always put up a real fight against the Warriors because of their backcourt defense, I think if you add PG and Hayward they have the fire power to win some games in the finals.
i really like jaylen but celtics fans (and clearly danny) need to chill, he's got a long way to go. he shouldn't be the guy keeping us from getting a star.
Trade flexibility must be tough with Brown and Smart both being untradeable.
I'm not even sure adding those 2 to the Celtics get them past Cleveland.
And Rozier
Cornbread78
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StanleyStutters
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I think it would be a great series. PG and Indy battled against the Cavs even though it was a short series, there were some battles in there. I think adding him and Hayward to the Celtics would be enough to seriously challenge CLE.
Yup July 1st should be very interesting. Celtics should be hosting every big FA.