-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
NBC News: Former Russian counter-intelligence officer was in Don Jr. meeting
- Thread starter thefro
- Start date
thecouncil
Banned
Uh, you should be commending them on their transparency, actually. So honest.
They know it isnt really fake news. They know Trump & Company lie. They do not care, thus no fatigue.
Saint Gregory
Member
It's still pretty early in the grand scheme of things but I still believe that eventually many Republicans, save for the most diehard fans, will turn on Trump. The thing that makes me sad though is I think it will be because it's clear that he and the Republican Congress can't actually get anything done, not because he's a terrible human being and president. I really hate to think that the atmosphere of this last election is the new normal but the right wing of the country seems unhinged and unlikely to change any time soon.
I actually work with a few people that buy into the "fake news" stuff so there's definitely a contingent who are true believers for now I just wonder for how long as more and more of this stuff comes out. Not all Republicans put their party ahead of the country.
I wouldn't say the former's necessarily true. A lot of people are struggling to still want this to be fake or false somehow....or at least some kind of norm. We're in the middle of a transition from 'There was no collusion' to 'It's not a big deal.'
I have family that's currently in the view that he should be punished if it turns out he colluded (even if it was worth it to keep Hillary out), but they're ultimately waiting for something like Mueller's investigation to decide that.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
High-quality person.
The Chosen One
Member
I saw this news break on Morning Willie.
Fox News will likely paper over this news, but the fact that Don Jr. was so forceful with Hannity that he fully disclosed everything was transparent, yet failed to mention a 5th person in the room! Nevermind the 5th person is a former Soviet intelligence agent (i.e KGB officer???).
Maybe this 5th person was just an observer who Don Jr didn't really know, but just not disclosing the 5th person after everything that happened earlier this week is just insane.
Fox News will likely paper over this news, but the fact that Don Jr. was so forceful with Hannity that he fully disclosed everything was transparent, yet failed to mention a 5th person in the room! Nevermind the 5th person is a former Soviet intelligence agent (i.e KGB officer???).
Maybe this 5th person was just an observer who Don Jr didn't really know, but just not disclosing the 5th person after everything that happened earlier this week is just insane.
I think KGB dude he has dual citizenship. So he might be in the clear on that one particular point... it's still treason though.
This has been the most baffling part to me. That people were actually taking them at their word, in what world have they earned that kind of trust?
Saint Gregory
Member
No he's not. My entire family are American citizens, not dual citizens, and I'm still required to list them on my security forms because they were born in another country.
I doubt that he can even claim ignorance on this point unless this guy never spoke or had no foreign accent.
All that money has fostered such sloppiness. When you're that rich you get used to doing whatever you want. They're clearly out of their element now because they're used to throwing money at problems and then walking away.
The fact that money can't make the media go away is going to be their eventual downfall.
The fact that money can't make the media go away is going to be their eventual downfall.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I meant the trump admin, no big deal.
It must honestly be exhausting to be a Twitter warrior drawing a line in the sand with each WH/Donnie Jr statement. No wonder so many just resort to shit posting memes, waking up every morning having to erase the previous day's tweets is a dangerous amount of self-reflection.
There it is.
I'm almost certain the next update will be "they actually did discuss harmful info re: emails, but didn't go into any specific detail" followed by "they discussed an explicit exchange of emails for sanctions" followed by "Donald Sr was there in the room, and took a selfie with everyone present."
This level of granular detail makes it look almost certain that Kushner or Manafort have flipped. On the other hand, if the lawyer was actually being investigated/bugged by the FBI, we'll end up with a full transcript at some point.
Soooo... he's acknowledging that another person WAS indeed in the room?
Graphics Horse
Member
This is the same guy who was paying* Fusion GPS for anti-Magnitsky Act sanctions work at the same time they were in charge of Steel's dossier.
*Without being registered as a foreign agent
It's all too complicated for my brain
*Without being registered as a foreign agent
It's all too complicated for my brain
Sho_Nuff82
Member
This has been a consistent trend with everything Russian related. Zero transparency (especially with name drops) until the media forces the issue. Almost like they've been communicating to keep their story straight.
Edit: alarmingly, this allows right-leaning media to keep the names from circulating widely. There are like, zero sound bites of Donald or Donald Jr mentioning any of these people (or Kislyak). And of course, fox conveniently redacts where necessary on written statements.
This is actually starting to make sense.
Ihavetheworstlawyers.gif
SuperEpicMan
Banned
Obviously worth taking with a truck load of salt, but Louise Mensch is suggesting that Trump Sr called into this meeting, and there are tapes within the IC of the conversation between them all.
BrassDragon
Member
If they're still coordinating with forces abroad, Mueller probably has access to intercepts or human intelligence... even if the US IC ignores it, allied services will have it. Should be interesting.
Listening to "Pod Save America" they bring up an interesting point that adoption isn't just some kind of humanitarian issue, it's that the Russian government halted adoption of Russian orphans for Americans (about 1000 children a year) in retaliation for the freezing of Russian national's assets by America.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/world/americas/kremlin-adoptions-sanctions-russia.html
So it's not like Don Jr. went in to talk about a charity or childrens welfare, the meeting was about the Russian adoption freeze in relation to the foreign asset freeze -sanctions.
DustyVonEric
Member
Death by a Thousand Cuts.
Keeps it constantly in the news and people's consciousness, so it's much harder to dispute than one large info dump.
That's my take on it anyways.
Also continued clicks and views for the sites don't hurt as well.
I prefer this constant barrage of news. Any resource and time that the WH and Republicans have to use shouldering and defending this, is potentiionally less resource and time fully devoted to fucking us.
That's my hope.
Edit:
Saw that you meant Trump's administration.
Mensch is playing some sort of game, she's pro-Trump and alt-right regardless of her current schtick.
Ether_Snake
å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®
The other day she said Reince Priebus tried to flee the country but was stopped by Air Marshals, after they were tipped by Saudi Arabia sigint.
Do you really want to quote her?
That actually makes it way more suspicious if he was linked to the Agalarovs too. Makes it more likely Putin was involved.
Saint Gregory
Member
How did we get from "We had a meeting to discuss Russian Adoptions" to this so quickly? It's really frustrating how few eyebrows on Capitol Hill seem to get raised when the Trump team gets caught in a string of lies.
Only a truck load?
polyh3dron
Banned
CONCLUSION
COLLUSION
ILLUSION
DELUSION
ILLUSION
DELUSION
I'll take that with the entire mine.
Graphics Horse
Member
The crazy is certainly rubbing off on people intentional or not, but I'd rather she was just ignored
pirateluigi
Member
They're new at this. So, you know, they couldn't have known. Anyone else would have done the same.
But what about Hilary?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Was Mr. Poopy Butthole there too? What about Uncle Steve, was he there too?
SuperEpicMan
Banned
And some other day she reported correctly about FISA warrants. Yeah she is a nut job and a lot of her ideas are either unconfirmed or wrong, but some of the things she has said has been correct, suggesting she must have some legit contacts. Like I said, take it with salt.
They dont care if Russians helped the president get elected because they won
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
No, just no.
Out of her insane ramblings she got one thing right forever ago.
Everything else has been so horribly wrong and stupid that she is not worth quoting, and is a waste of time to even think about in terms of this story.
I don't usually put much stock in reporters that are only right like 25% of the time.
We're really not that far from Trump Sr. having been in the room.
And of all the Mensch garbage that's been posted in the past few months, Trump Sr. being on the phone for this meeting is pretty darn believable.
Next he'll say he called in but couldn't hear anything.
RPGCrazied
Member
Oh please let him testify next week in front of the senate. I hope he slips up and brings this whole thing down, he is dumb enough.
Have you never played Ace Attorney?
Skinny Pete
Banned
OK we need to get these fuckers out already.
RPGCrazied
Member
Probably why they are trying to ram healthcare down our throats so fast. They probably know time is almost up with this President.