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Nebraska Supreme Court rules 16-year-old ‘not mature enough’ for abortion

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Dead Man

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/05/nebraska/
A 16-year-old ward of the state in Nebraska isn’t mature enough to have an abortion. She is, however, apparently mature enough to bear the child instead.

So ruled the Nebraska Supreme Court in a split decision Friday.

The 5-2 decision denied the unnamed child’s request for an an abortion, saying the girl had not shown that “she is sufficiently mature and well informed to decide on her own whether to have an abortion,” according to the ruling.

The girl is not named in legal records, but is living with foster parents after the state terminated the parental rights of her biological parents after physical abuse and neglect. At the confidential hearing terminating those parental rights, she told the court that she was pregnant, and that she would not be financially capable of supporting a child or being “the right mom that [she] would like to be right now,” according to the court ruling. But she also told the court that she feared losing her placement in foster care if her highly-religious foster parents learned of her pregnancy.

It isn’t clear if the child is still pregnant. The Omaha World-Herald interviewed her attorney, Catherine Mahern, who said “It is not in my client’s best interests to comment,” while noting that her client could go around the restrictions of Nebraska law by going to another state.

But speaking to the Houston Chronicle, Mahern said the girl didn’t need consent under the regulations of the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services, which states that “if a ward decides to have an abortion, the consent of the parent(s) or Department is not required.” Notification of the girl’s foster parents might be required, however.

Nebraska changed its abortion laws two years ago from requiring that parents of minors be informed to requiring written and notarized parental consent for an abortion. Exceptions may be made in cases of parental abuse, medical emergencies, or cases in which the minor is “sufficiently mature and well-informed” to decide whether to have an abortion.

The Nebraska Supreme Court ruled that the child did not meet that standard in this case.

The district court judge, Peter C. Batallion, appears to have served in the 1980s on the committee for Metro Right to Life, an Omaha anti-abortion group, the Houston Chronicle reported. Bias was a factor in the expedited appeals process — Battalion told the girl “when you have the abortion, it’s going to kill the child inside of you,” and then asked if she would “rather do that than risk problems with the foster care people.”

I don't really have any words for this.

Edit: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Neb-high-court-nixes-teen-s-request-for-abortion-4869315.php



OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — In a split decision released Friday, the Nebraska Supreme Court rejected a 16-year-old ward of the state's request to waive parental consent to get an abortion, saying the girl had not shown she is sufficiently mature and well-informed enough to decide on her own whether to have an abortion.

The girl, who is not named in the opinion, was living with foster parents this year when a juvenile court terminated the parental rights of her biological parents, who had physically abused and neglected her. In a closed hearing this summer, she told Douglas County District Judge Peter Bataillon she was 10 weeks pregnant and asked for a court order allowing an abortion. She said she would not be able to financially support a child and feared she might lose her foster placement if her foster parents, whom she described as having strong religious beliefs, learned of her pregnancy.

Her attorney, Catherine Mahern of Omaha, argued that the girl didn't need anyone's consent for an abortion under the regulations of the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services, which states that "if a ward decides to have an abortion, the consent of the parent(s) or Department is not required," although notification of the parents of the abortion might be required.

Nebraska law was changed in 2011 from requiring minors to inform parents of an abortion to requiring them to get the written, notarized consent of a parent or guardian. Exceptions are limited to cases of abuse by the parent or guardian, medical emergencies and instances in which the minor is sufficiently mature and well-informed to decide whether to have an abortion.

Bataillon rejected the girl's request, saying that for the purpose of her case, her foster parents would serve as her guardians — even though, under Nebraska law, the department is considered the guardian of wards. Bataillon also found that the girl had not shown she was mature enough to make the decision to seek an abortion.

Mahern appealed the girl's case, saying Bataillon failed to recognize the exception for abuse in Nebraska's parental consent law. She also said Bataillon should have recused himself because he was not impartial, as evidenced by his asking the girl if she knew that, "When you have the abortion, it's going to kill the child inside you."

"Probably the most disturbing aspect of this case was the judge's treatment of this young lady, referring to killing her baby," Mahern said Friday. "Who talks to a distressed 16-year-old girl like that?"

Court records found online make reference to a Peter Bataillon who served in the 1980s on a committee for Metro Right to Life, an Omaha anti-abortion group.

Bataillon did not immediately return a message Friday seeking comment on whether he had ever served on a committee for that or any other anti-abortion group.

Under an expedited process, the Nebraska Supreme Court upheld Bataillon's ruling in August but did not issue a public opinion on it until Friday.

In the 5-2 opinion, the majority sided with the judge, saying that the abuse exemption does not apply to the girl, finding that a pregnant minor must show, for the purpose of waiving parental consent, that any abuse occurred at the hands of a current parent or guardian. It also found the girl did not prove she was sufficiently mature or well-informed enough to decide to have an abortion.

As for her argument that the child protection agency's regulations don't require state wards to get parental or agency consent for an abortion, the majority determined that Bataillon was limited to considering only the parameters laid out in the state's parental consent law, which does not spell out from whom state wards would get consent.

The high court did not consider the girl's argument that Bataillon should have recused himself, because she did not ask him to do so or question his impartiality at trial.

In a dissent, Justice William Connolly said the girl has no legal parents, and, therefore, didn't have the option of seeking parental consent. That, he said, means the lower court lacked jurisdiction in the case and left her "in a legal limbo — a quandary of the Legislature's making."

He also suggested that Nebraska's parental consent law is open to a constitutional challenge by state wards.

"I realize that this conclusion means that none of the statutory exceptions apply and that under (the state law), the petitioner is prohibited from obtaining an abortion," Connolly wrote. "An absolute ban on the petitioner's right to seek an abortion obviously raises constitutional concerns."


Justice Michael McCormack joined Connolly in the dissent.
 

Smellycat

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I don't see the problem. The child is already in her womb. Whether she is mature or not to have a baby, doesn't change the fact she IS pregnant. The court determined that she is not mature enough to get rid of it.

The court isn't saying that she is mature to have the baby.
 

Pau

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How can you be not mature enough for an abortion but mature enough to give birth? What the hell.
 

Bodacious

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Wow I abhor abortion and still that logic is totally ass-backwards to me. If anything, it's the very young and very old (within childbearing range) who should have the least hurdles in their way where choosing an abortion is concerned. The 27 year old who has life experience, knew the risks, knew how to obtain birth control but didn't ... if I had to restrict abortion at all it would be for this person, not a 16 year old.

Mind you, I'm not advocating any impediment to obtaining an abortion. Just trying to point out that the court's reasoning is fucked up. I hate the practice of abortion and I do believe it results in a human death ... but I prefer the government stay the fuck out and let people live with the consequences of their own choices. (not just on this issue - pretty much everything)
 

Pau

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The court isn't saying that she is mature to have the baby.
The court is saying she is mature enough to go through the mental process of being pregnant by denying her the ability to decide if she wants to be. How does that make any sense?
 

Dead Man

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Wow I abhor abortion and still that logic is totally ass-backwards to me. If anything, it's the very young and very old (within childbearing range) who should have the least hurdles in their way where choosing an abortion is concerned. The 27 year old who has life experience, knew the risks, knew how to obtain birth control but didn't ... if I had to restrict abortion at all it would be for this person, not a 16 year old.

Mind you, I'm not advocating any impediment to obtaining an abortion. Just trying to point out that the court's reasoning is fucked up. I hate the practice of abortion and I do believe it results in a human death ... but I prefer the government stay the fuck out and let people live with the consequences of their own choices. (not just on this issue - pretty much everything)
Yeah, even if you are against abortion, the reasoning is just busted. If you are mature enough to give birth, you are mature enough to decide if you want a legal abortion.
 

Konka

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I don't see the problem. The child is already in her womb. Whether she is mature or not to have a baby, doesn't change the fact she IS pregnant. The court determined that she is not mature enough to get rid of it.

The court isn't saying that she is mature to have the baby.

Why should a court have any say as to what you do to your body?
 
So she's a ward of the state and they are going to make her have the baby, 'costing' tax payers more money to feed/clothe/shelter the baby than it would be to abort it

Because she's not 'mature' enough.

Fucking backwards.
 

Horse Detective

Why the long case?
At the confidential hearing terminating those parental rights, she told the court that she was pregnant, and that she would not be financially capable of supporting a child or being “the right mom that [she] would like to be right now,” according to the court ruling.

Because to someone, this didn't sound like the mature response.

Okay.
 

Valhelm

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How can you be not mature enough for an abortion but mature enough to give birth? What the hell.

This kind of logic is so disgusting. If you are mature enough to get pregnant, you are mature enough to end the pregnancy. There should be no question about that.

If you are pro-life, you are an asshole. There's no way around that.
 

zhorkat

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To be fair, unless I'm reading it wrong, under Nebraska law, an underage person must have parental consent in order to get an abortion unless they can get an waiver from the court. One possible way to get a waiver would be to show a sufficient level of maturity. The court isn't saying that she can't get an abortion, but that she isn't mature enough to bypass the requirement that her foster parents consent.
 
Why should a court have any say as to what you do to your body?

The ones that will prosecute you for consumption of alcohol underage. Underage individuals are subject to slightly different rules then general population.

Not sure what part of abortion requires 'maturity' however, abortion is by far the most practical solution to this problem though, her baby is going to drain taxpayer money and will be raised with an incredibly disadvantaged mother.
 

Dead Man

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To be fair, unless I'm reading it wrong, under Nebraska law, an underage person must have parental consent in order to get an abortion unless they can get an waiver from the court. One possible way to get a waiver would be to show a sufficient level of maturity. The court isn't saying that she can't get an abortion, but that she isn't mature enough to bypass the requirement that her foster parents consent.

No, that is their reasoning. If you follow it through it becomes absurd though.. Not mature enough to have abortion, mature enough to have baby.
 
The court is saying she is mature enough to go through the mental process of being pregnant by denying her the ability to decide if she wants to be. How does that make any sense?

One is a natural process (pregnancy) and the other is a medical process (abortion). Certain medical procedures are illegal for minors without explicit parental consent or under special conditions. For instance you wouldn't want a minor being able to visit a clinic and obtain a potentially life threatening surgery (not abortion) without consent of his or her parents.

Of course I have no clue why they would be so eager for an underage, financially disadvantaged individual to have a child who the taxpayers will have to pay for, but whatever.
 

Derwind

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16 year old girl not mature enough to decide whether she wants a baby or not.

17 and up.... woah woah, you're unacceptably too mature to have any decision over your own body. Wouldn't want to you to make too rational of an informed decision.

I understand now.

I vote that I make all elective decisions on behalf of every girls body. Anyone disagree? No? Good.

/createsharam
 

Valhelm

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Good. Abortion is abhorrent.

/minority opinion

SHE IS A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL. SIXTEEN.

No sixteen-year-old is ready to have a child. In our society, being a teenage mother all but sentences someone to permanent poverty. Because she is forced to have a child that she doesn't want, she'll probably be unable to finish high school, go to college, or ever get a high painting job.

If born, her child will lead a horrible life, with an unfit mother who didn't intend to have a child. It's great if this child gets adopted, but I'm guessing the chances of that are slim.

In the 21st century, it's pretty much impossible for a 16-year-old to have a baby and that they will both lead happy, prosperous lives.

She has a higher risk of dying while giving birth than having an abortion.

This is true. Also, because nearly all teen mothers are still growing, nutrients will be diverted to the mother rather than the fetus. Also, crib death is significantly more likely for babies born to young mothers, which is horribly ironic.
 

zhorkat

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No, that is their reasoning. If you follow it through it becomes absurd though.. Not mature enough to have abortion, mature enough to have baby.

I think the point of the law isn't that the court decides whether she is mature enough to have an abortion or a baby, but that the court judges whether she is mature enough to decide for herself if she should have an abortion or not. In a case like this, the purpose of the law is not for a judge to make the decision for her, but to, barring a situation like parental abuse, take the decision out of her hands and put it in the hands of her parents (foster parents in this case). You may or may not find that a meaningful distinction, but that's a distinction that the law is making.
 

AlteredBeast

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SHE IS A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL. SIXTEEN.

No sixteen-year-old is ready to have a child. In our society, being a teenage mother all but sentences someone to permanent poverty. Because she is forced to have a child that she doesn't want, she'll probably be unable to finish high school, go to college, or ever get a high painting job.

If born, her child will lead a horrible life, with an unfit mother who didn't intend to have a child. It's great if this child gets adopted, but I'm guessing the chances of that are slim.

In the 21st century, it's pretty much impossible for a 16-year-old to have a baby and that they will both lead happy, prosperous lives.

Geez, talk about a glass half-empty kind of person..
 

Pau

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One is a natural process (pregnancy) and the other is a medical process (abortion). Certain medical procedures are illegal for minors without explicit parental consent or under special conditions. For instance you wouldn't want a minor being able to visit a clinic and obtain a potentially life threatening surgery (not abortion) without consent of his or her parents.

Of course I have no clue why they would be so eager for an underage, financially disadvantaged individual to have a child who the taxpayers will have to pay for, but whatever.
A 16-year-old should be able to exercise her right to her body. It's not her foster parent's body. The procedure isn't so life threatening that people are being barred from having it unless it's for special medical reasons.
 

Derwind

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SHE IS A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL. SIXTEEN.

No sixteen-year-old is ready to have a child. In our society, being a teenage mother all but sentences someone to permanent poverty. Because she is forced to have a child that she doesn't want, she'll probably be unable to finish high school, go to college, or ever get a high painting job.

If born, her child will lead a horrible life, with an unfit mother who didn't intend to have a child. It's great if this child gets adopted, but I'm guessing the chances of that are slim.

In the 21st century, it's pretty much impossible for a 16-year-old to have a baby and that they will both lead happy, prosperous lives.

I'll add, my grandma had her first child at 15 because the culture in her country was a norm to marry teen girls off young and make babies.

From my mothers account (being the 4th child of 10) and her older surviving siblings account (my aunt died two years tragically due to choking on food and the other two siblings died as children) pretty much describes my grandma as someone who didn't really understand or deal with children until her 6th and on who were treated differently. My grandma also was illerate because she was a housewife at a young age. My grandma was born in the late 30's.

What I'm saying is, the argument that "back in the day people had kids at x age, so suck it up" doesn't actually tell the whole story. I mean its not like girls back then were impervious to the difficulties of early parentage. Thats why women have been fighting for social justices because it wasn't exactly pleasent back then. And as a guy I really don't want it to revert back to that way, my grandmas story makes me cry.


Incredibly shitty decision and the kind of thing that makes me a self-hating American.

Nah, don't look at as an American problem. We're all in this together. Social progress requires solidarity for all.
 

border

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Instead of fighting an expensive legal battle, why not just bus her over to some state that will look the other way?
 

Trouble

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What the shit? It's not the court's job to determine if someone is 'mature enough'. It's their job to interpret the law, not make judgement calls for someone's life. Does Nebraska law outline how 'mature' someone must be to have an abortion?
 

Timedog

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Lives with foster parents, real parents abused her, gets pregnant at 15-16, "isn't mature"...

Yeah, let's force her to have a child. I'm sure the odds are low that the kid will end up fucked up.
 

Regiruler

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She wasn't mature enough for the entire thing in the first place so I have no sympathy.

EDIT: Assuming it was a boyfriend. I'm really tired so my reading comprehension is terrible right now.
 
Another baby's life saved. Another 50 million will be dead before you know it.

Hope people one day realize the legal atrocity they are committing.
 

Regiruler

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So you think pregnancy works well as a punishment? Interesting.

Lets just say I have some strong words and pent-up frustration on the subject that would probably get me banned.

Anyhow, I won't make further judgment on this case as the article does not specify how she got pregnant.
 
She wasn't mature enough for the entire thing in the first place so I have no sympathy.

EDIT: Assuming it was a boyfriend. I'm really tired so my reading comprehension is terrible right now.

Maybe you shouldn't be so judgemental if you're at a point where you're admittedly incapable of reading things?
 

Valhelm

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She wasn't mature enough for the entire thing in the first place so I have no sympathy.

EDIT: Assuming it was a boyfriend. I'm really tired so my reading comprehension is terrible right now.

So... because a girl did something stupid she and her potential child should both suffer? Am I living in 17th century Germany??
 

Regiruler

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So... because a girl did something stupid she and her potential child should both suffer? Am I living in 17th century Germany??

My logic is that she did the action, she deserves the consequences and give the child up for adoption. The problem is I don't know how she got pregnant so I do not know whether the consequence is justified or not.

I wish her health, and if she does indeed have the child, health for the child.
 

Pau

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My logic is that she did the action, she deserves the consequences and give the child up for adoption. The problem is I don't know how she got pregnant so I do not know whether the consequence is justified or not.

I wish her health, and if she does indeed have the child, health for the child.
Funny how only women deserve the consequences of sex.
 

B-Dubs

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I don't see the problem. The child is already in her womb. Whether she is mature or not to have a baby, doesn't change the fact she IS pregnant. The court determined that she is not mature enough to get rid of it.

The court isn't saying that she is mature to have the baby.

That's exactly what they are saying. Did they come right out and say it? No, but it isn't exactly a leap to reach the obvious conclusion.
 

Valhelm

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My logic is that she did the action, she deserves the consequences and give the child up for adoption. The problem is I don't know how she got pregnant so I do not know whether the consequence is justified or not.

I wish her health, and if she does indeed have the child, health for the child.

Are you really saying that she should ruin her future and bring an unloved child into the world because of a mistake? Also, the majority of young mothers do not give up their children.

If you would actually care about the health of this woman and her potential children, then you wouldn't want her to have this baby.

Funny how only women deserve the consequences of sex.

Boom.
 

Rayis

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My logic is that she did the action, she deserves the consequences and give the child up for adoption. The problem is I don't know how she got pregnant so I do not know whether the consequence is justified or not.

I wish her health, and if she does indeed have the child, health for the child.

It takes two to tango, she didn't become pregnant by herself, it is her right to get rid of the fetus if she so wishes since she's the one carrying it.
 

Dead Man

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I think the point of the law isn't that the court decides whether she is mature enough to have an abortion or a baby, but that the court judges whether she is mature enough to decide for herself if she should have an abortion or not. In a case like this, the purpose of the law is not for a judge to make the decision for her, but to, barring a situation like parental abuse, take the decision out of her hands and put it in the hands of her parents (foster parents in this case). You may or may not find that a meaningful distinction, but that's a distinction that the law is making.

The law is the source of the broken reasoning. If you are mature enough to have the baby, you are almost certainly mature enough to decide whether to have an abortion.

My logic is that she did the action, she deserves the consequences and give the child up for adoption. The problem is I don't know how she got pregnant so I do not know whether the consequence is justified or not.

I wish her health, and if she does indeed have the child, health for the child.
but is living with foster parents after the state terminated the parental rights of her biological parents after physical abuse and neglect.

I think she's had enough consequences mate, get off your high horse.
 
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