Sorry, 1080p, all settings maxed except Geometry Detail at Low. I was also forcing SMAA with the SweetFX injector, which could've caused the dip to 54, I don't know.
Need For Speed Most Wanted - PC Performance Thread
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Sorry, 1080p, all settings maxed except Geometry Detail at Low. I was also forcing SMAA with the SweetFX injector, which could've caused the dip to 54, I don't know.
Ok we're heading there then. When the game is 60fps on a 670/680 at 2560x1440 and most setting max barring a couple ones then I'll get the game. So keep working that voodoo whoever is at it.
As someone with a 3570k and HD6870, am I better off buying this on 360? Sounds like as of now I won't even be able to enable reflections off a wet street. I'd rather play the optimized version with all the effects turned on if that's the case, even if textures and resolution suffers a bit as a result.
It could go either way.
I'm hoping that Unreal Engine 4 and other next generation technologies can deliver something we haven't seen before. Bringing PC hardware to its knees shows progress.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic but I want to see a massive leap forward in visual fidelity.
Common sense. Next generation is going to be expensive, this was one of the last generations where it was feasible to make grand engines with lots of teething issues that only caters for a small segment of the gaming market. There's a reason why the next big step is simultaneous development across more platforms in a single editor like CryEngine is now offering or enormous versatility combined with years of optimization. See the Frostbite2 engine, only reason that was green lit is because it's an engine meant for multiple games across all platforms.
The next generation of consoles won't surpass what higher-end computers are offering, the snapshot has already been made. So the goal post will move forward but we will also enter a generation where optimization and broad compatibility is key.
You won't see that massive leap you're hoping for. While we will see a big leap from the usual Sub-HD / barely-30FPS mess that consoles offer these days, much of the newly found power will be used to either bump up the resolution or the framerate. THEN they can use the excess power to increase the graphical fidelity. As I mentioned above, high-end computers today are already more powerful than what consoles will be when they release, feel free to quote me on that.
So already now a lot of users have equal or more power.
The only thing that will change is the margins of performance. We'll get better utilization due to the moved goal post which means instead of using all our excess power to just downsample and AA the hell out of our games, it'll be used on the games and with a moderate amount of AA at 60FPS. That means we'll already be ahead of what the consoles can offer. Teething issues will occur, it won't be perfect but I'm confident.
We will however see one performance black hole, just like we did this generation: Low-quality ports. They might be able to bring our PCs to our knees but for completely different reasons.
But that's just my opinion. I have no worries about the next generation nor that I will struggle to run games.
I don't have a problem with turning some effects down, often you barely see the difference if it's not resolution or FSAA. Take Crysis f.e. even today you can't play it at a constant 60FPS with everything maxed out (by using a reasonable system).
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The complaints are about the game dropping under 60fps, not 30fps (which the 360 does quite a bit).
I locked the game at 30fps through the .ini file, turned geometry detail to low, turned off reflections, turned off headlight shadows.
It STILL gets fps dips and hitches.
This is on a 660ti @1080p
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
CPU/clock?
JRW
Member
I made a couple of changes in Inspector that may have made a difference based on a suggestion someone made on Guru3D, or I might've just gotten lucky with my session, but here's a FRAPS benchmark I just did.
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
46735, 780535, 54, 61, 59.876
The only times it ever dropped below 60fps were for a brief second when it seemed like it might be streaming in new areas, but that was just a slight judder to 59fps, and the other time was one specific intersection on the east side of the map that would dip to 54 every time I approached it.
Here's what my profile looks like. I swear it was the smoothest it's ever been.
Someone else give it a try.
Honestly I didn't notice any change in performance here, I still get the same random framerate stutters when Reflections are set to High depending on the location I'm in. (GTX 480 / i7 920 @ 3.6ghz / 1920x1080).
High res textures: On
Motion blur: High
Shadow Detail: Medium
Headlight Shadows: On
Ambient Occlusion: Off
Reflection detail: High (solid 60fps if I change to Medium but then I lose road reflections).
VFX Detail: High
Geometry Detail: Low
Light Scattering: On
bee
Member
That's a shame. It seems to have helped me out. Maybe a placebo effect, though.
I noticed this at the bottom of the profile in Inspector.
It says:
Interesting.
not really, that's just the 3D profile for it
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
My settings. Keeps a glass smooth solid 60 with the occasional second or two in the 50s in the dense part of the city. i5-750 @ 3.0 GHz, 5850. Playing at 1280x1024. Might be able to crank the resolution up but it's a CRT so it doesn't make a huge difference anyway.
Don't know if its performance related, but does anyone feel like there's input lag? Or is that just the handling?
TJP
Member
Looks like Criterion and EA require at least 10 DXDiag reports in order to fix the frame rate issue: http://answers.ea.com/t5/Need-for-S...-Drops-in-NFS-Most-Wanted-PC/m-p/182476#M1086
From the EA forums:
Hello everyone,
The studio is currently investigating the frame rate issue you reported in this thread and would like to ask you for further information.
In order to examine the issue the studio would really appreciate if you could provide the DxDiag of your computer.
The Dxdiag (Direct X Diagnostic Report) provides valuable information that are actually useful to analyse this specific situation.
<snip>
The team would need approximately 10 DxDiag reports.
Thank you all in advance!
From the EA forums:
Hello everyone,
The studio is currently investigating the frame rate issue you reported in this thread and would like to ask you for further information.
In order to examine the issue the studio would really appreciate if you could provide the DxDiag of your computer.
The Dxdiag (Direct X Diagnostic Report) provides valuable information that are actually useful to analyse this specific situation.
<snip>
The team would need approximately 10 DxDiag reports.
Thank you all in advance!
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I already have my CPU at 4.8ghz and ky 6970 OC'd to 580 levels of performance. Gonna have to look into these settings.
Snkfanatic
Banned
At least they are working on it. I have faith
Yup. I can confirm that even on my i7 3930k @ 4.6ghz, SandyBridge Motherboard, 32gb Memory @ 2400mhz, and running on the Nvidia 680 DirectCUII Top, the frame rate is still all over the place. Sometimes it runs at 60fps, other times 70fps, sometimes is drops down to 35fps and hovers at 45-50fps. Ultimately, it's completely inconsistent and I know my GPU and CPU is not maxed out. It's just poor optimization considering there there aren't that much visual different for when you change the settings. Honestly, I think NFS The Run looks better than this game on my PC but that's another subject.
I wouldn't say I'm having extreme frame rate problems. I just capped it at 30fps in the config file to stop it from stuttering and since then I've really been enjoying the game. Up to 87% done in single player now.
I'm not excusing Criterion's lack of effort with the PC game of course, nor am I dismissing people's complaints. It's obvious the game should be running better than it is, and it would be nice to have played through what I have with 60fps (which I'm sure should be possible on mine and many other systems).
TJP
Member
Update from EA: http://answers.ea.com/t5/Need-for-S...-Drops-in-NFS-Most-Wanted-PC/m-p/193812#M1445
DxDiags posted are already being analyzed by the team. Initially we needed 10 reports but as long as this investigation is in progress there is no contraindication on keep posting additional reports if you want. However we can confirm that the team has now the required information.
trickeh2k. Issues posted here in the forum have been notified and reported. The development team may intervene here in the forum and post some messages, time to time, however most of the time the community team will relay the different updates and information.
We would like to thank the entire community for sharing information, tips or details on what they noticed on the different topics (not just only in this thread). I also want to thank players who provided their DxDiag for the development team.
We will make sure to update topics/threads as soon as we have more information.
DxDiags posted are already being analyzed by the team. Initially we needed 10 reports but as long as this investigation is in progress there is no contraindication on keep posting additional reports if you want. However we can confirm that the team has now the required information.
trickeh2k. Issues posted here in the forum have been notified and reported. The development team may intervene here in the forum and post some messages, time to time, however most of the time the community team will relay the different updates and information.
We would like to thank the entire community for sharing information, tips or details on what they noticed on the different topics (not just only in this thread). I also want to thank players who provided their DxDiag for the development team.
We will make sure to update topics/threads as soon as we have more information.
TJP
Member
Criterion are a quality developer but who knows if they are handling the PC game. The request for DxDiag is a little strange but I have confidence the game will be fixed. I think Hot Pursuit took 5 patches to get running as intended 8) The joys of modern gaming!
That IS an extreme framerate problem!
A consistent 30fps is perfectly playable. Just ask any guy who is playing the game on console.
On consoles, the controls are updated at 60fps even though the game is displayed at 30. If you cap your framerate to 30 on PC, your controls are capped at 30 as well, so you get a worse experience due to more input lag.
VanquishUK
Member
i5 2500k 4.5 ghz
XFX 6850 Crossfire
Can't maintain a stable FPS. Shame.
XFX 6850 Crossfire
Can't maintain a stable FPS. Shame.
Are you sure? I haven't noticed any input lag. I play the PS3 version too and, on PC, it feels just as responsive.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The game has negative CFX scaling. You're going to have to disable a card and drop some settings to get that 60.
As per all shitty console ports :/
Wonko_C
Member
I'm talking out of my ass here but, there's an ini setting that caps the framerate to 30. Maybe that setting does the same as the console versions? whereas using any other type of frame limiting (like Nvidia's "Adaptive Vsync - Half Refresh Rate" setting) causes input lag.
Yeah I have it capped with the LockTo30 command in the ini file.
Insane Metal
Member
How would this run on my pc?
PII X4 945
4GB RAM DDR2 800
HD 4890
=/
PII X4 945
4GB RAM DDR2 800
HD 4890
=/
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It may be just as responsive as the PS3 version, but that version has 100ms of engine input lag before it even hits the display.
If I had to moan about lag it would be the sluggish UI. Sometimes, straight after an event, I want to press start to hit retry or do something else on the menu screens, but instead I have to wait around for the game to show me what mods my car has or what have you before it'll give me control back. But I'm not going to moan about it - anymore than I just have - because, like this input lag I can't discern but keep hearing about, it's impact on my enjoying the game has been nonexistent.
TJP
Member
You are wrong in thinking this Shaneus. I bought on launch from Amazon and its been money well spent. I reckon Most Wanted looks much better that HP however what we need a patch to fix the frame rate issues and some way of getting rid of the jaggies.
Like all Criteron games - drift-centric whereby one uses the brakes or handbrake to initiate a slide and using a combination of throttle and steering to manage the slip angle. It's sublime arcade fun and a great change from GSC 2012, nKP and pCARS.
Jesus H monkeyballs... played this at my mates place who has an even better rig than me and it's a joke.
1) I take back that I said it didn't look that impressive, in game and in motion it does look pretty awesome.
2) The performance was atrocious drops to ~45 almost regardless of settings, the majority of the settings have minimal visual and framerate impact. Going from low to high resolution bumped the framerate down maybe 5 fps. Turning off ao, light scattering and setting geometry detail to low netted us 2-3 fps ._.
His gear :
3570k @4.2
680 stock
Guess I'll have him lock it at 30.
1) I take back that I said it didn't look that impressive, in game and in motion it does look pretty awesome.
2) The performance was atrocious drops to ~45 almost regardless of settings, the majority of the settings have minimal visual and framerate impact. Going from low to high resolution bumped the framerate down maybe 5 fps. Turning off ao, light scattering and setting geometry detail to low netted us 2-3 fps ._.
His gear :
3570k @4.2
680 stock
Guess I'll have him lock it at 30.
Yeah, I picked it up once I realised I had $5 Amazon credit for MW from when I bought The Run. It looks really fucking good, but it refuses to sit on a flat 60. Around 30% CPU and GPU usage (across all three GPUs) yet there's still stuttering.
It's exactly the same thing that happened with Saint's Row 3. No fucking idea how a PC running at 5GHz can't run this smoothly.
It's exactly the same thing that happened with Saint's Row 3. No fucking idea how a PC running at 5GHz can't run this smoothly.
Teleporter
Junior Member
tryed to play today all i got was a black screen at boot. Went to Origin and checked instalation, had a new download of 250mb+ ... new patch? new cars? lol... well seems like my game is running a lot smooth now. Any comment?
I didn't get any updates.
TJP
Member
Nothing downloaded for me either and I found no patch #2 details on the EA Answers forum: http://answers.ea.com/t5/Need-for-Speed-Most-Wanted/bd-p/need-for-speed-most-wanted