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Need for Speed Unbound - The DF Tech Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - Criterion is BACK!
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Made using Frostbite engine
- Game uses cel shaded characters and elements juxtaposed against realistic backgrounds and cars
- A lot of environments and geometry misses SSR effects, and some car based reflections are unflattering looking cube maps
- Motion blur is disabled when using Boost in cars
- PS5 DRS 1800p to 2160p. Typically runs at 1944p.
- Series X DRS 2016p to 2160p. Typically runs at 2160p.
- Series S DRS 1080p to 1440p. Typically 1296p.
- All console versions show signs of checker board reconstruction
- Asset and effects are the same outside of resolution.
- Series X can suffer one off drops to mid-low 50s with 33ms spikes at various points
- Series S can suffer more frequent drops to low 50s
- PS5 can also suffer one off drops but is more consistent than either Xbox console
- Game uses cel shaded characters and elements juxtaposed against realistic backgrounds and cars
- A lot of environments and geometry misses SSR effects, and some car based reflections are unflattering looking cube maps
- Motion blur is disabled when using Boost in cars
- PS5 DRS 1800p to 2160p. Typically runs at 1944p.
- Series X DRS 2016p to 2160p. Typically runs at 2160p.
- Series S DRS 1080p to 1440p. Typically 1296p.
- All console versions show signs of checker board reconstruction
- Asset and effects are the same outside of resolution.
- Series X can suffer one off drops to mid-low 50s with 33ms spikes at various points
- Series S can suffer more frequent drops to low 50s
- PS5 can also suffer one off drops but is more consistent than either Xbox console
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mansoor1980
Member
really nice looking game , very stylish
feynoob
Banned
ParaSeoul
Member
I just used PC for older games or Esports games,everything else on the PS5. Most devs don't care about the platform.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Looks pretty good and actually fun. Could care less about the comparison on this one.
feynoob
Banned
I reserve certain games exclusive for my PC (Shooter games), while others for console.
The issue for me right now is the budget. Cant upgrade my PC until summer 2023 if possible.
Physiognomonics
Member
- Best overall experience on PS5 (usually locked 60fps)
- Higher average resolution on XSX at the cost of unstable framerate
They think they could maybe reduce the resolution on Xbox to improve framerate.
- Higher average resolution on XSX at the cost of unstable framerate
They think they could maybe reduce the resolution on Xbox to improve framerate.
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Umbasaborne
Banned
It looks great and its a lot of fun. An awesome return to form imo
AnotherOne
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There is a very meaty 10-hour trial for this game, and anyone who has game pass ultimate or EA play, I would highly recommend them to check it out.
If it wasn't for this video, I wouldn't have been able to tell any drops on the Xbox myself, but then again I guess the vrr does a good job masking it.
If it wasn't for this video, I wouldn't have been able to tell any drops on the Xbox myself, but then again I guess the vrr does a good job masking it.
Crispy Gamer
Member
Usually when DF says expect some one off drops expect a lot hopefully the devs can patch it
There is no unstable framerate on XSX LOL.
There are only framedrops on rare occasion and circunstancial. The playable experience is very stable 60fps.
PS.Lowering the resolution is not always the solution to eliminate framedrops. These may be for reasons unrelated to GPU load.
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Solid version on every platform, that’s what we like to see. DLSS 3 support on PC was a nice surprise.
Also, ignore his “opinion” about the game. It’s clear he didn’t play past the first few races…
Also, ignore his “opinion” about the game. It’s clear he didn’t play past the first few races…
Because the gaming experience on XSX is very stable 60fps. I have seen different framerate comparisons on youtube and framedrops are circumstantial.
All console versions are very solid.
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TrebleShot
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Pleasantly surprised by this one after the 10 hour trail will probably buy it. These trials on EA play are brilliant.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
OK, gonna give this a go on the series x. I have vrr so I welcome the higher resolution.
Markio128
Gold Member
I’m really enjoying it. It looks great and so is the performance. The biggest surprise for me is how challenging it can be, especially when there is money at stake.
I especially love how it forces you to improve your car in order to progress, rather than shower you with cars from the off (after the initial intro). I’m currently driving a lowly Honda Civic and fighting for every penny
I especially love how it forces you to improve your car in order to progress, rather than shower you with cars from the off (after the initial intro). I’m currently driving a lowly Honda Civic and fighting for every penny
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think it's a part of the engines pipeline. But outside of magnified examination, the results are very good.
SkyHighTrees
Member
a great looking game plagued by LOW POLY corner lines. I hate that shit. Every single corner has that polygonal look
Lysandros
Member
I really don't understand these type of scenarios, if XSX FPS dips considerably lower than PS5 and more often, why the DRS scaling isn't set as aggressive as PS5 by the developers? That's a racing game, FPS consistency is more important than slightly higher resolution here and there. Is there something preventing scaling on XSX? What can it be?
Edit: By the way a slight mistake in the description, XSX drops as low as low fifties not 'mid', lowest in the video being 51 FPS.
Edit: By the way a slight mistake in the description, XSX drops as low as low fifties not 'mid', lowest in the video being 51 FPS.
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midasmulligan
Member
Fantastic game, having a blast really keeps you on your toes. Ignoring the campaign and focusing on the online grind, which also avoids the terrible dialogue in the campaign. Good stuff and looks/sounds stellar on ps5
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The drops are one off spikes, if the game was running consistently in the 50s that would be a problem.
Physiognomonics
Member
Your guess is as good as ours. I have never ever heard any developer talk about this.
But I remember the case of Assassin's creed Valhalla on Xbox though. First it had a slightly higher resolution than PS5 at the cost of heavy screen-tearing. Then it was patched in order to improve performance on Xbox (because people complained) but the DRS was now very aggressive with down to 1080p or so resolutions making the game very blurry at times.
Problem is the drops happen on Xbox when you actually need consistency. The problem is big enough for DF to say PS5 version being the best experience (even if they oddly forgot to put that in the article subtitle this time).
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Fake
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Whatever is part or not of the engine, mixing Dynamic Resolution Scaler with Checker Board Reconstruction is a huge mistake for next gen. Even TAA alone or temporal injection would be miles better.
01011001
Banned
I never played a racing game with Dualsense support, does it feel similar to the Xbox impulse triggers? because I find it hard to imagine how a force feedback system would be used in such a scenario.
the impulse trigger rumble on the other hand is usually used to give you feedback for your traction while breaking and accelerating (and subtle "pops" gear changes too)
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Team Andromeda
Member
Really enjoying it onthe Series X and don't notice any drops at all. I guess VRR is talking care of that
Hawk269
Member
Thank you very much for posting this. Had no idea they were doing this for this title, but again it has been a while since i paid attention to anything EA. Will defintaley trigger the download in a few minutes to try it out.
Markio128
Gold Member
It’s more the haptics than the rumble the causes the sensation, in that the accelerator trigger slackens for a split second as the gear changes, before the resistance kicks in again. Nothing mind-blowing, but cool all the same.
Tripolygon
Banned
Technologically speaking, the impulse trigger is just a simple ERM motor, it doesn't do subtle, it does on and off vibrations. They can lower the speed to simulate low vibration but that's about it. Most of the other "pop" gear shift and traction feedback is our brain playing tricks on us. Most tactile and haptics tech exploit our brain to fill in the blanks where there is nothing. It was a genuine brilliant idea to add miniature ERM motors in the trigger housing.
The DualSense can simulate different sensations using the exact same motor but applied differently.
Spring Sensation by applying slight force opposite to the already tensioned trigger but not stopping the movement, it moves with the trigger pull.
Vibration by driving the gear up and down and it can be subtle or damn near violent.
The Pop sensation, the mechanism removes tension briefly and pushes back at you giving your finger the pop feeling of gear shift, same mechanic can be used for gun trigger pop feel as well. Our brain does a lot of heavy lifting.
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rabbity-thing
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Where's Burnout? You can keep your Need for Speed IP.
Tripolygon
Banned
Not a bad showing on both big consoles. Slightly lower DSR bound on the lower side should clear up most of the performance issues or you can use a VRR display which should make it unnoticeable.
JackMcGunns
Member
"Between the various next gen consoles, the PS5 offers the best overall experience."
Obligatory...
Imagine two basketball players shooting from the free throw line and the other from the 3-point line and calling the free throw line player a better shooter because he made all his shots, even though the 3-point shooter made 99% of his lol.
Chronicle
Member
Sure you'll buy it.
I Master l
Banned
The handling seems more like Heat than Hot Pursuit which kind of disappointing
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SportsFan581
Member
I’m really enjoying it. It looks great and so is the performance. The biggest surprise for me is how challenging it can be, especially when there is money at stake.
I especially love how it forces you to improve your car in order to progress, rather than shower you with cars from the off (after the initial intro). I’m currently driving a lowly Honda Civic and fighting for every penny
This is the type of of progression I like with driving games. Makes it seem like you are really building to something.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Or, for better context, imagine a 5ft 8in/173cm basketball player having comparable and often better dunk statistics than a 6ft 8in/207cm player over a considerable number of dunk contests, despite the 20% height differential in favor of the taller player, and in a competition where spectators often assume height is the major indicator for performance.
Just as the smaller player would have people praising them based on what they've been able to achieve with little, you could understand why PS5 players would celebrate the console's relative performance against "more powerful" Series X.
Markio128
Gold Member
Same. It’s basically a CaRPG.
01011001
Banned
Technologically speaking, the impulse trigger is just a simple ERM motor, it doesn't do subtle, it does on and off vibrations. They can lower the speed to simulate low vibration but that's about it. Most of the other "pop" gear shift and traction feedback is our brain playing tricks on us. Most tactile and haptics tech exploit our brain to fill in the blanks where there is nothing. It was a genuine brilliant idea to add miniature ERM motors in the trigger housing.
The DualSense can simulate different sensations using the exact same motor but applied differently.
Spring Sensation by applying slight force opposite to the already tensioned trigger but not stopping the movement, it moves with the trigger pull.
Vibration by driving the gear up and down and it can be subtle or damn near violent.
The Pop sensation, the mechanism removes tension briefly and pushes back at you giving your finger the pop feeling of gear shift, same mechanic can be used for gun trigger pop feel as well. Our brain does a lot of heavy lifting.
dude... why are you writing an essay on how the triggers work for a very simply question I had about how they are typically utilised in racing games???
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Markio128
Gold Member
Why the hell would you complain about somebody taking the time to answer your question?
01011001
Banned
because it didn't answer my question about if the trigger gives feedback for losing traction during accelerating or braking
