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[Tatsumi Oga]

It's a bit of text to read through, but i hope someone can help me. If this is the wrong sub-forum, please move it to the right one.

Ever since i bought my TV last year (LG OLED EC9300) i have been looking at settings from people on forums, i've been trying out settings of my own and the settings i have right now i am pretty happy about those. But there are a few things i don't get and i need some help with that. For starters Black level on the TV and Color space on Xbox One. I have the Black level at low on the TV (i can choose automatic, low and high) and the Color space on Xbox One is standard (recommended).

Last week i made another thread here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1253061&page=2

And in that thread someone posted this:

http://www.cheats.co/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rgb-test.jpg

A imagine that is used to see if your RGB/Black level is set up properly.

I put this image on a USB stick and inserted it into the Xbox One's USB. I opened up media player and opened the image and the image was not displayed correctly. I could only see the last lower row of boxes and the upper ones were all invisible. As seen here:

http://i.imgur.com/F1oSu4e.jpg

I then went into my TV's Black level setting and i put it at automatic and now the image was displayed properly:

http://i.imgur.com/xvFvIc7.jpg

But when i go into a game (Limbo) it's washed out and way too bright. Black is dark grey now. In this pic you don't notice it so badly..but trust me, it's grey:

http://i.imgur.com/PHCqVwo.jpg

And now with Black level low:

http://i.imgur.com/1kMYM2j.jpg

With these settings (black level automatic) i go into Xbox One's own ''Calibrate HDTV'' option it all seems fine for RGB levels. At one part you see a closed and opened eye and under it you see a small example of how it should look. Looks proper. Closed eye is black with grey background and opened eye is grey with dark grey background. Seen here:

http://i.imgur.com/MGp5BFM.jpg

But if i put the black level to low and i head into the Xbox One's calibration again, i don't even see the black eye at all. Here:

http://i.imgur.com/FELRzVM.jpg

What is a bit unclear to me is this....the Xbox One here says: Brightness: turn this all the way up , then turn it down so the large closed eye to the right just disappears. So when all is done, should it look like the little box on the lower left of the big box or should it be totally pitch black?

Then i try this calibration disc:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html

I put it all on a USB stick and i open the MP4 file of ''black clipping'' in the basic settings folder. The MP4 shows vertical bars going from 2-25 and it tells you to set black level to lowest setting where only the black bars from 17-25 flash. With TV black level on automatic , i see all bars flash and that's not correct:

http://i.imgur.com/DazPBcL.jpg

But when i put the TV black level back to low, i indeed only see the bars 17-25 flash:

http://i.imgur.com/UvVmulO.jpg

So why is it not working for the very first picture? Are the Xbox One's RGB levels still not 100% correct then?

By the way, putting my TV's black level to automatic and keeping the Xbox One at standard is the same as when i put the TV's black level to high, so that can't ever be good. It's a good thing that it looks fine when i use the AVS HD calibration thing, just odd that the first photo is not displayed correctly and neither is Xbox One's own calibration thing. When i put the USB stick in my TV however, the picture is fine, same goes for when i watch it on my phone or Surface. So what should i do?

Lastly...

In the display settings of Xbox One there's a option under video fidelity called Color depth. it's at 24 bits per pixel (8 bit) now but i can also select 30 bits or 36 bits. Should i leave this at 24 bits?

 

[Izuna]

I really wish you would embed the pictures, but understand that the browser on the Xbox One is actually rather unreliable. The browser itself crushes blacks, and likely the picture viewer does too.

To briefly explain, it seems to do a colour space change within the app on top, so if you have a your console set to Limited but your Monitor set to Full, then yes, the app will display properly. It's been a bug since the Xbox has released and it's the reason why Screenshots looks so damn weird on the console. Just ignore it.

Give me a second to go through your monitor documentation etc. =P

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• Keep it on 8 bit colour, no reason to go higher.
• Black Level to High and then set your Xbox One to PC (RGB) for Full.
• If you want to go Limited, set it to Low and Xbox to Standard.
  

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http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ec9300/settings <-- using this, you should turn EVERYTHING off like it says so in this site. You don't want any extra processing. No Super Resolution, no Dynamic Contrast, no nothing. Turn it all off.

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• Feel free to use their settings for the White Balance, I'll check more sites but even though every screen is a little different, it should look more than okay on yours.
  
• If you don't want to put in all their settings, Warm2 is the best out-of-the-box White Balance setting. But you should calibrate though because this screen can get pretty accurate 6500k

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If you have an Xbox One S, you have HDR on that TV (that's the colour gamut setting). Hopefully though, your TV will just auto detect this, don't force it on your old content.

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• Chroma 4:4:4 is enabled if you set the HDMI input to PC.

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If I were you, I would ignore where on that website it says to put it to Game mode. Don't do this, you'll ruin your picture quality and the input lag benefit doesn't appear to be that much from what I'm reading.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Hey man.

thanks a lot for this, great advice and i really appreciate it. I have tried Rtings settings before and in terms of colour balance i didn't notice a difference at all really. Most of the time i am not a fan of image enhancers like Dynamic Contrast and such, but i AM a big fan of Super Resolution. I can't help it and i also can't unsee it.

If i disable it now and put sharpness at about 10 or 15, it's doable but i just like the extra crisp look super resolution at medium brings. At high it introduces tons of ugly stuff. As for game mode, i agree man. Game mode is doable, but picking expert 1 (which fully lets you change the colour balance settings) is better. Using PC mode (which i am now) and then changing to game mode especially make the picture quality much less detailed. Absolutely not necessary. So yeah i do have the input set to PC, what exactly does Chroma 4:4:4 mean?

Quite bad that the browser and picture viewer ruins the black levels, they should fix that. Still odd that the AVS calibration displays properly though.

 

[Izuna]

Hey man.

thanks a lot for this, great advice and i really appreciate it. I have tried Rtings settings before and in terms of colour balance i didn't notice a difference at all really. Most of the time i am not a fan of image enhancers like Dynamic Contrast and such, but i AM a big fan of Super Resolution. I can't help it and i also can't unsee it.

If i disable it now and put sharpness at about 10 or 15, it's doable but i just like the extra crisp look super resolution at medium brings. At high it introduces tons of ugly stuff. As for game mode, i agree man. Game mode is doable, but picking expert 1 (which fully lets you change the colour balance settings) is better. Using PC mode (which i am now) and then changing to game mode especially make the picture quality much less detailed. Absolutely not necessary. So yeah i do have the input set to PC, what exactly does Chroma 4:4:4 mean?

Quite bad that the browser and picture viewer ruins the black levels, they should fix that. Still odd that the AVS calibration displays properly though.

Super Resolution -- to each their own, you seem to be on point with what you prefer.

Chroma 4:4:4 -- https://youtu.be/7JYZDnenaGc?t=1m40s this is a lovely video (most straightforward, . No reason not to make the switch, it's one of the most important things to look for in buying a screen. Hey, you might dislike Super Resolution after this (haha).

Black Levels on Xbox -- Yep. I remember when screenshots used to wash out every single image and barely anyone over at reddit even understood that there was a problem. MS has a serious problem with Apps causing an additional crush. At least you know the best setting =)

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Super Resolution -- to each their own, you seem to be on point with what you prefer.

Chroma 4:4:4 -- https://youtu.be/7JYZDnenaGc?t=1m40s this is a lovely video (most straightforward, . No reason not to make the switch, it's one of the most important things to look for in buying a screen. Hey, you might dislike Super Resolution after this (haha).

Black Levels on Xbox -- Yep. I remember when screenshots used to wash out every single image and barely anyone over at reddit even understood that there was a problem. MS has a serious problem with Apps causing an additional crush. At least you know the best setting =)

Hmmmmmm, so enabling the PC input is actually very recommended then. I used to always have the input to HDMI and use Expert 1 because it still provides an even better detailed picture than PC input but with PC enabled I have a lovely low input lag whereas it's really noticeable when PC is disabled.

Oh by the way, Rtings actually has Sharpness at 0 and super resolution off? Damn. I just can't do that. Everything becomes so much more blurry then. None of my games look crisp anymore like that. Those settings are not for me, haha.

 

[Izuna]

Hmmmmmm, so enabling the PC input is actually very recommended then. I used to always have the input to HDMI and use Expert 1 because it still provides an even better detailed picture than PC input but with PC enabled I have a lovely low input lag whereas it's really noticeable when PC is disabled.

Oh by the way, Rtings actually has Sharpness at 0 and super resolution off? Damn. I just can't do that. Everything becomes so much more blurry then. None of my games look crisp anymore like that. Those settings are not for me, haha.

Hmm, well PC should just be removing whatever post-processing the TV is doing. You've probably gotten used to what it has. Whichever, that's for you to choose.

When it comes to Sharpness it really depends for me. Personally I hook up to a PC and use this http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/sharpness.php -- and try to get it to be as accurate as possible as native res (very important there is no zooming here).

Oh, the Surface Book passed perfectly actually, quite nice to know.

For me I like things to be uniform. AFAIK Super Resolution is a ymmv option, for regular TV I would consider it myself:

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I'll check up to see what labelling your input as PC is doing. I should just be naming it but if it's removing features... I'll find out what's going on.

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Wow, it reduces the lag from 107ms to about 34ms in PC mode?

I don't know exactly, but try renaming the setting to PC (not sure if this is what you did), rather than choosing a PC setting.

EDIT: I'm sure that's exactly what you did -- like, you should be able to set the label to PC and also use Expert 1? I'm curious to figure out what it's missing but I think that's the most I can help. If you can, a firmware update seems to make input lag even better in case you haven't already.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Hmm, well PC should just be removing whatever post-processing the TV is doing. You've probably gotten used to what it has. Whichever, that's for you to choose.

When it comes to Sharpness it really depends for me. Personally I hook up to a PC and use this http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/sharpness.php -- and try to get it to be as accurate as possible as native res (very important there is no zooming here).

Oh, the Surface Book passed perfectly actually, quite nice to know.

For me I like things to be uniform. AFAIK Super Resolution is a ymmv option, for regular TV I would consider it myself:

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I'll check up to see what labelling your input as PC is doing. I should just be naming it but if it's removing features... I'll find out what's going on.

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Wow, it reduces the lag from 107ms to about 34ms in PC mode?

I don't know exactly, but try renaming the setting to PC (not sure if this is what you did), rather than choosing a PC setting.

EDIT: I'm sure that's exactly what you did -- like, you should be able to set the label to PC and also use Expert 1? I'm curious to figure out what it's missing but I think that's the most I can help. If you can, a firmware update seems to make input lag even better in case you haven't already.

I haven't tried renaming it but I could do that too. Yup, PC as input and expert 1 as picture mode. Yeah the input lag difference is quite huge. For several genres it's very playable but not for shooters and such. PC mode does provide a slightly less detailed picture compared to when it's disabled but for shooters that really doesn't matter and it's really not that big of a difference. Yep I got the latest update.

 

[buenoblue]

Hi I have this tv and I've noticed that if i change the input from all inputs to anything then exit the menu it greatly reduces input lag. Even on pc setting. It only works till you open any menus or turn off the tv though. Weird bug. Wonder if you can test it for me as I have a 5 year warranty and could probably get an exchange.

 

[Izuna]

Hi I have this tv and I've noticed that if i change the input from all inputs to anything then exit the menu it greatly reduces input lag. Even on pc setting. It only works till you open any menus or turn off the tv though. Weird bug. Wonder if you can test it for me as I have a 5 year warranty and could probably get an exchange.

That sounds like a hilarious bug, sadly I don't have this TV at all haha.

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OP, it's been real -- read a lot of reviews thanks to this thread. I'm grateful if I was any help at all. I'm all out of tips of course haha. Enjoy your sexy TV.

 

[Noobcraft]

Edit: missed it.

 

[DonMigs85]

Yeah I wish I could help more for Xbox One, but I only own a PS4. I also wish I could see your TV in person because the Limbo pic you posted actually looks correct to me.

I'm trying to think of another game where the black crush is super obvious. It's also possible you got used to the crushed blacks over time.