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Looking for some advice/thoughts from the vets here on GAF:

I recently pre-ordered the Mortal Kombat Tournament Edition (which includes the fight stick). I am a little worried about what the build quality is going to be on the stick. But I was wondering, just how difficult is it to swap out joysticks and/or buttons? Say I wanted to swap out the Happ joystick for a Sanwa, is it usually a pretty easy process? Never had my own fight stick before but I am a huge MK fan and wanted one for the upcoming game.
 
W Hudson said:
Looking for some advice/thoughts from the vets here on GAF:

I recently pre-ordered the Mortal Kombat Tournament Edition (which includes the fight stick). I am a little worried about what the build quality is going to be on the stick. But I was wondering, just how difficult is it to swap out joysticks and/or buttons? Say I wanted to swap out the Happ joystick for a Sanwa, is it usually a pretty easy process? Never had my own fight stick before but I am a huge MK fan and wanted one for the upcoming game.
It probably won't be very easy swapping Happ for Sanwa since the mounting brackets on the sticks will be very different. Also, American buttons have different diameters than the 30mm Japanese ones IIRC.
 
W Hudson said:
Looking for some advice/thoughts from the vets here on GAF:

I recently pre-ordered the Mortal Kombat Tournament Edition (which includes the fight stick). I am a little worried about what the build quality is going to be on the stick. But I was wondering, just how difficult is it to swap out joysticks and/or buttons? Say I wanted to swap out the Happ joystick for a Sanwa, is it usually a pretty easy process? Never had my own fight stick before but I am a huge MK fan and wanted one for the upcoming game.

Well, you aren't going to be able to mount a Sanwa stick and buttons without heavy modifications. I really wouldn't bother when there are so many other sticks out there that can be modded with a MK layout with sanwa parts (MadCatz, Hori etc) very easily. Swapping out parts on the PDP stick should be easy if you wanted to throw in better IL parts or something, but again sanwa / siemitsu isn't going to happen without heavily modding the top panel. It is also a Pelican (PDP) product, so who the hell knows what kind of build quality the actual case has.

I had the TE preordered, but changed it to KE. I already have a MadCatz TE with a MK replacement panel (Art Hobbies), and I just broke down and ordered one of the official replacement panels from MadCatz. I would personally go with one of those options if you want to use Sanwa parts.
 
Pre-ordered the MC Combat panel. I'm going to mount a Seimitsu stick and buttons to it so the conversion would just be a matter of un-screwing and plugging in wires everytime. It's too bad MC isn't offering separate SKUs for panels with an included bezel for TE-S owners.
 
aggro crag said:
I have the Hori RAP VX SA. I think it's a great stick. The light weight might bother some people, but I love it. The only thing that sucks about it is the door for the cable compartment. I'm good about keeping it on, but my friends can't use it without taking it off.
I think I'd like a lighter stick just to try it. I've never had a Hori stick. I don't really need it since I have two TEs and an SF Anniversary stick already, but... it's so pretty! I'll probably cave when my tax return comes. :) / :(
 
kpeezy said:
I have an opportunity to pick up a DC Agetec stick in really nice shape for a pretty decent deal. I don't have a DC or play anything on DC though. Would it be worth buying to mod it? Could I use the PS360 board with it possibly?

to expand, the stick is basically flawless and the price would be $20-$30 USD. I have a friend with MvC2 and other fighting games but I doubt I would go back and learn any of those fighting games.


It's a very good case for mods. Compact but nice feel and light but adequate weight. Art Hong even makes a plexi for it! While it is shorter lengthwise than the HRAP's and TE's, it has fairly good depth (easily accomodates Seimitsu LS-32/-33/-40/-55/-56 series and JLF) and a good spacing for 30mm buttons. Button layout is very close nearly identical for the Viewlix configuration used on the TE and V3 SA/VX series joysticks. Very good space (better than most joystick bases) between the joystick and buttons. So yes, it's a very good case to do hardware mods and it will accomodate small PCB's (Cthulu, MC Cthulu, probably PS360) comfortably.

Doing a total hardware replacement on this case is, however, involved, and takes a while. You won't finish it in a day if you're careful. Plan for a week with plenty of resting. There's a lot of cutting to do!

I don't like the OEM joystick of the Agetec (at least as loose as stock JLF) and would recommend a JLF or Seimitsu replacement. IF the OEM buttons are in decent shape, they feel like but are not as sensitive as the Sanwa 30mm's. You can easily keep the original equipment and wire it up to a new PCB IF there's enough wiring to fit to the new PCB. There are diagrams in existing mod tutorials of what the signals/directions the original joystick wires carry (if you keep the OEM joystick). The Agetec buttons are easy to figure out for common ground and directional wires.

IF you do go ahead and do full hardware replacement (joystick, buttons) be aware you'll be cutting a lot of plastic.
You'd be best to follow these two mod tutorials to guide you ==>http://burauzaa.com/joystick2/index.htm
and
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27126

Unlike MKL, I was comfortable using power tools (aka Dremel) to cut the plastic but you have to go slow. You can whittle down the "tunnels" of the original buttons with a Dremel but I'd use small files and cutters to create the mount area for your new joystick. Measuring and cutting for a new joystick are really critical for the Agetec case. The plastic is thin in areas and can get screwed up if you're not careful. Goes without saying that MKL's right about the mounting screws -- you really do need to get to M4 self-clinching (FLUSH) studs. Regular screws will split the plastic or destroy it over time which you don't want.

The trick with those studs is that most places will NOT sell them in quantities less than 1,000 because they're generally used for industry. However, if you check around you can sometimes find them in quantities of 10 or 25 per pack for a nice price (under $7) which is a nice deal. You really need more than 4 studs in case a stud gets damaged or lost. I kept my remaining M4 studs after my first Agetec mod and ended up using them on T5 faceplate mods, too.

I found the right studs here -- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FN12KE/?tag=neogaf0e-20

These are M4 threads, 0.7 pitch, 18mm length which is the minimum recommended. Any less than that, it'll be too short. More than that, you run the risk of poking into your Seimitsu PCB (if you get an LS-series joystick). M4 washers and M4 hex nuts (pitch 0.7) can be found at most hardware stores and Home Depot/Lowes. The studs are what you have to order online... Most stores just don't stock them.
 
GeorgeC said:
It's a very good case for mods. Compact but nice feel and light but adequate weight. Art Hong even makes a plexi for it! While it is shorter lengthwise than the HRAP's and TE's, it has fairly good depth (easily accomodates Seimitsu LS-32/-33/-40/-55/-56 series and JLF) and a good spacing for 30mm buttons. Button layout is very close nearly identical for the Viewlix configuration used on the TE and V3 SA/VX series joysticks. Very good space (better than most joystick bases) between the joystick and buttons. So yes, it's a very good case to do hardware mods and it will accomodate small PCB's (Cthulu, MC Cthulu, probably PS360) comfortably.

Doing a total hardware replacement on this case is, however, involved, and takes a while. You won't finish it in a day if you're careful. Plan for a week with plenty of resting. There's a lot of cutting to do!

I don't like the OEM joystick of the Agetec (at least as loose as stock JLF) and would recommend a JLF or Seimitsu replacement. IF the OEM buttons are in decent shape, they feel like but are not as sensitive as the Sanwa 30mm's. You can easily keep the original equipment and wire it up to a new PCB IF there's enough wiring to fit to the new PCB. There are diagrams in existing mod tutorials of what the signals/directions the original joystick wires carry (if you keep the OEM joystick). The Agetec buttons are easy to figure out for common ground and directional wires.

IF you do go ahead and do full hardware replacement (joystick, buttons) be aware you'll be cutting a lot of plastic.
You'd be best to follow these two mod tutorials to guide you ==>http://burauzaa.com/joystick2/index.htm
and
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27126

Unlike MKL, I was comfortable using power tools (aka Dremel) to cut the plastic but you have to go slow. You can whittle down the "tunnels" of the original buttons with a Dremel but I'd use small files and cutters to create the mount area for your new joystick. Measuring and cutting for a new joystick are really critical for the Agetec case. The plastic is thin in areas and can get screwed up if you're not careful. Goes without saying that MKL's right about the mounting screws -- you really do need to get to M4 self-clinching (FLUSH) studs. Regular screws will split the plastic or destroy it over time which you don't want.

The trick with those studs is that most places will NOT sell them in quantities less than 1,000 because they're generally used for industry. However, if you check around you can sometimes find them in quantities of 10 or 25 per pack for a nice price (under $7) which is a nice deal. You really need more than 4 studs in case a stud gets damaged or lost. I kept my remaining M4 studs after my first Agetec mod and ended up using them on T5 faceplate mods, too.

I found the right studs here -- http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FN12KE/?tag=neogaf0e-20

These are M4 threads, 0.7 pitch, 18mm length which is the minimum recommended. Any less than that, it'll be too short. More than that, you run the risk of poking into your Seimitsu PCB (if you get an LS-series joystick). M4 washers and M4 hex nuts (pitch 0.7) can be found at most hardware stores and Home Depot/Lowes. The studs are what you have to order online... Most stores just don't stock them.

Wow, thanks for all of the information.

Buying new plexi is an awesome option to have. For now though, I really love the look of the original. This would be my first ball top so I don't think I would mind the quality of the parts (currently have a happ).

Ideally, I would like to keep the stock parts and put in a PS360 pcb. The only thing I'm worried about is the proprietary connectors on the joystick. Would I be able to hook this up the way I want to?
 
IntelliHeath said:
I just purchased Standard Edition (SF4) Arcade Fightstick. I am considering to modding this box.


Can anyone know who I can request to make me the "Cover" for the box and any recommendation for better stick and buttons.

I want this box to be good.

Anyone?
 
IntelliHeath said:
Try browsing through or asking in the TE/SE template thread at SRK: http://shoryuken.com/f177/official-street-fighter-iv-te-se-fighstick-template-thread-175293/

Tutorial on how to add custom art to a SE: http://shoryuken.com/f177/howto-add-custom-art-your-madcatz-standard-fightstick-178381/

Tutorial on replacing the SE's parts: http://shoryuken.com/f177/how-mod-your-sfiv-se-fightstick-faq-175882/

Parts that can drop in are...

joystick: Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y(T) or Seimitsu LS-32-01
face buttons: any 30mm Japanese pushbutton, snap-ins such as the Sanwa OBSF-30, Seimitsu PS-14-G or PS-14-K are easiest to work with
 
Drkirby said:
Other then the system, anything different between the Street Fighter IV Stick and the Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom stick?

Cheaper (usually) + better stock parts.

Micro Center is having them for 40 bucks locally... NEW STICK GET
 
I'm far from a hardcore fighting fan but I did pick up a Hori ex2 a while back just to fiddle around with. It servers my purpose just fine.

However I'm not crazy about the square gate. Am I asking for trouble opening it up and trying to modify it?
 
Nitemare1 said:
I'm far from a hardcore fighting fan but I did pick up a Hori ex2 a while back just to fiddle around with. It servers my purpose just fine.

However I'm not crazy about the square gate. Am I asking for trouble opening it up and trying to modify it?

I actually asked similar questions higher up in this thread. I picked up an octagonal gate for cheap and watched a simple youtube tutorial on exchanging it for the square gate. It was easy although mine was a TE Fight Stick.
 
Kronotech said:
I actually asked similar questions higher up in this thread. I picked up an octagonal gate for cheap and watched a simple youtube tutorial on exchanging it for the square gate. It was easy although mine was a TE Fight Stick.

Cool. Thanks for the heads up.
 
_dementia said:
TvC stick is seriously great. I can't tell they're not real Sanwa when I'm playing.

I'm glad you like it. Worked really hard on that one. The WWE BrawlSticks will be using the same parts. I just played a ton of WWE All Stars with em (game can have a lot of mashing involved) and they work flawlessly.
 
something to play my marvel versus capcom 3 on :)

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oh...and it lights up too....the control panel that is. :)

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these colors running MARVEL BAYBEE!
 
i'm sorry for the shitty phone pics....as soon as I get my Blue LED sticks and buttons in I'll shoot some HD pics....

this just a tease. :)
 
Guys quick question: I have never played with a fighting stick. Looking forward to buy MVC3 and I found an Hori Fighting Stick 3 PS3 (the old one with USB) for 49€ and wondered if its good for me?
 
I think GAF poster akachan ningen uses a Hori Fighting Stick 3 and doesn't have problems with it. I absolutely hate it though (well the 360 equivalent, Fighting Stick EX2) and have had the PCB die on me.
 
Are there any nice cheap sticks I can pick up in the UK? I have come to the conclusion that my DOA4 stick is old and crap.. :D

Time to upgrade!
 
captmcblack said:
Dirty D, how did you make that cab? It's amazing...i'd love to make something like that and put my ps3 and a pc in it <3


My friend Kray in Texas makes the vewlix clone kits called : Kraylix Cabinets

http://customvewlix.blogspot.com/

and I have been doing art all my life...

http://www.theartofjohndee.com/

I just took my sweet ass time with this...and made sure it was something I wanted on my cab....kind of like a tattoo.

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_dementia said:
i'm going with the standard animu fighter

A B C
S A1 A2

works best for me as I'm Type B in Blaz and familiar with TvC's default.
I still have problem thinking of the assist buttons. Gotta retrain my brain.
 
Label said:
Are there any nice cheap sticks I can pick up in the UK? I have come to the conclusion that my DOA4 stick is old and crap.. :D

Time to upgrade!

You can easily get the MadCatz SF4 sticks in the UK, SE or TE depending on how much you want to spend.
 
Well the first few buttons on my SFIV SE stick have started to fail at QUITE the inopportune time.

If I upgrade the stick and buttons, this thing will basically play like a TE (besides the heft) right?

I really need to get back into the action asap. How's GameShark as an online retailer? Any Sanwa parts dealers who are known to ship faster than others? USA - North East.
 
Lambtron said:
Every time I see this stick, I want to buy it. Badly. I may cave soon. :(
I guess soon means like a day later. Just got my shipping confirmation from Hori Shop. It'll be here a week from yesterday.
 
Zeth said:
Well the first few buttons on my SFIV SE stick have started to fail at QUITE the inopportune time.

If I upgrade the stick and buttons, this thing will basically play like a TE (besides the heft) right?

I really need to get back into the action asap. How's GameShark as an online retailer? Any Sanwa parts dealers who are known to ship faster than others? USA - North East.
I used LizardLick (I'm in the North East as well) and I got my stuff super fast. I only replaced the first 6 buttons on my stick, since I rarely ever use the other two for anything important. Everything has been good ever since.
 
Zeth said:
Well the first few buttons on my SFIV SE stick have started to fail at QUITE the inopportune time.

If I upgrade the stick and buttons, this thing will basically play like a TE (besides the heft) right?

I really need to get back into the action asap. How's GameShark as an online retailer? Any Sanwa parts dealers who are known to ship faster than others? USA - North East.
try focusattack.com or lizardlick.com

There used to be store called gamingnow, (not sure if they were East Coast) that was lightning fast, but the owner closed it a while back to complete school. I really miss it.
 
_dementia said:
try focusattack.com or lizardlick.com

There used to be store called gamingnow, (not sure if they were East Coast) that was lightning fast, but the owner closed it a while back to complete school. I really miss it.
I remember all the stuff I ordered through gamingnow coming from CA... but the stuff got to me on the EC so quickly anyways. I miss nareg's shop too. :(
 
DIRTY-D said:
My friend Kray in Texas makes the vewlix clone kits called : Kraylix Cabinets

http://customvewlix.blogspot.com/

and I have been doing art all my life...

http://www.theartofjohndee.com/

I just took my sweet ass time with this...and made sure it was something I wanted on my cab....kind of like a tattoo.

Yeah, I kind of really desperately want the TE version of this. I wish there was a version built that would take a 26-inch LCD or smaller (I'm putting this in an apartment), but whatever. How spacious are the cabinets? Would it in fact be possible to put a PC and a PS3 in it? What about other stuff...like say, a mini-fridge for beer?
 
Great. Thought about just replacing 6 buttons myself, but my luck they will fail as well and I'd like to have everything working properly.

Thanks for the recommendation, got me SE ->TE upgrade ordered from Lizard Lick for under 50 bucks. Rock 'n Roll.
 
captmcblack said:
Yeah, I kind of really desperately want the TE version of this. I wish there was a version built that would take a 26-inch LCD or smaller (I'm putting this in an apartment), but whatever. How spacious are the cabinets? Would it in fact be possible to put a PC and a PS3 in it? What about other stuff...like say, a mini-fridge for beer?

cabinets size and the space they take up are really not that bad.....I'd say go for it.

for overheating worry.... I decided not to put my xbox slim and PC inside.
I have 2 PS360 pcbs that I are up through the cab. I have my old Sony surround sound inside the cab...but My slim xbox and PC will stay on my desk. I then have 2 usb splitters running from the cab, so that I will have the sticks working always on the PC and xbox without switching wires during mix play. and I have 2 -25 foot HDMI cables and 2- 25 foot optical cables.

The main thing about having it hooked up to my very high end PC is for Emulation:

Atomisware Emulator-(Fist of the North Star),
Naomi Emulator- (capcom Versus SNK2, and Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper)
Mame Plus-(tons of arcade titles)
GGPO-(tons of solid fighters)

and the big one...

Wii Dolphin Emulation-(Tatsunoko versus Capcom in 1080p 60frames a second)


right now I had to have MVC3 running. :)
 
DIRTY-D said:
Wii Dolphin Emulation-(Tatsunoko versus Capcom in 1080p 60frames a second)
Does it run at 60 fps during the Hyper Combo cutscenes too, or is 30 fps hardcoded?

TvC UAS runs great on my Wii (albeit at 480p), but I always found that distracting.
 
_dementia said:
Does it run at 60 fps during the Hyper Combo cutscenes too, or is 30 fps hardcoded?

TvC UAS runs great on my Wii (albeit at 480p), but I always found that distracting.


Yeah...When I build my computer mainly to do work at home....I went nuts with 2 Nividia GTX 240 cards...and I put in a whopping 12 gigs of ram. Alot of the engineers laughed at me saying I would never need that much ram for anything today.

It took some tweaking on the emulators engine...but yeah even in the craziest supers going off....it stays locked at 59.99 on the FPS. so I'm happy I went all out ....cause it seems to pay off somewhere.
 
kpeezy said:
Wow, thanks for all of the information.

Buying new plexi is an awesome option to have. For now though, I really love the look of the original. This would be my first ball top so I don't think I would mind the quality of the parts (currently have a happ).

Ideally, I would like to keep the stock parts and put in a PS360 pcb. The only thing I'm worried about is the proprietary connectors on the joystick. Would I be able to hook this up the way I want to?


Yeah, you should be able to hook it up as is to a PS360 PCB.

Look in the Mod FAQ links for the Agetec that I gave you. I think MKL's has the Agetec PCB photo that has the signal line directions outlined. The OEM joystick should have enough length of wiring to attach to the PS360 PCB.

The button wiring may or may not be long enough -- dunno, I've never hooked up the OEM buttons to another PCB. There is a common wire string through the buttons in addition to individual button lines. You may or may not have to put in new wiring -- I really can't tell you.

When I replaced the OEM parts on my Agetec, I initially kept the Sega PCB that was in the stick and rigged up my Sanwa buttons and LS-32-01 joystick to work with the OEM PCB. I reused the original wiring with the new buttons (just took off the original connectors and installed 0.110 quick disconnects to the existing wiring) and everything worked fine. As for the joystick, I connected the LS-32-01 wire harness to the OEM stick harness through a European style terminal strip. Again, it all worked well.

Since you're keeping all the OEM stuff, you'll probably get lucky with the wiring length. Unfortunately, you'll probably have to clip off the connector at the end of the button wiring bundle as well as the same for the joystick wire bundle. IF the PS360 PCB has terminal screw connects like the MC Cthulu, you won't be able to plug in the wiring like you could with the Agetec PCB.

Whatever you do, don't throw away the Agetec PCB! People still buy those for stick projects and you can easily resell a working Agetec PCB with the Dreamcast connector cable intact for at least $15-$20. You can also probably get another $5-$8 for the dual VMU housing slot, too. They don't sell VMU housing slots for most Dreamcast PCBs! You have to scavenge them from Dreamcast controllers.
 
DIRTY-D said:

Oh my, is there a Hori VLX template for this picture(the bottom one with Ryu and Akuma throwing hado's at each other). I said I'd never mod my VLX, but if I can get my hands on this template then I think I would.
 
DIRTY-D said:
cabinets size and the space they take up are really not that bad.....I'd say go for it.

for overheating worry.... I decided not to put my xbox slim and PC inside.
I have 2 PS360 pcbs that I are up through the cab. I have my old Sony surround sound inside the cab...but My slim xbox and PC will stay on my desk. I then have 2 usb splitters running from the cab, so that I will have the sticks working always on the PC and xbox without switching wires during mix play. and I have 2 -25 foot HDMI cables and 2- 25 foot optical cables.

The main thing about having it hooked up to my very high end PC is for Emulation:

Atomisware Emulator-(Fist of the North Star),
Naomi Emulator- (capcom Versus SNK2, and Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper)
Mame Plus-(tons of arcade titles)
GGPO-(tons of solid fighters)

and the big one...

Wii Dolphin Emulation-(Tatsunoko versus Capcom in 1080p 60frames a second)


right now I had to have MVC3 running. :)

Hell yeah. Make sure you're using a semi-recent rev (like r7168ish) with xAudio2 as your audio codec. Everything is perfect. I've been playing so much of it now that I have to wait for MvC3.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Oh my, is there a Hori VLX template for this picture(the bottom one with Ryu and Akuma throwing hado's at each other). I said I'd never mod my VLX, but if I can get my hands on this template then I think I would.


Yeah sorry the art is a one off I did for the cab.....The art is original ...but I based the silhouettes off of Ryu and Akuma from Street Fighter 3rd Strike Sprites and re did them in vector for big print. The fireball art is a mash up of screen grab of Particle effects I was I doing while at work...It was a fluke accident...but I Frankensteined it to work for this project.

The ornate borders I did from years of practice at my real job.

more of my other non arcade cabinet artwork

http://www.theartofjohndee.com/
 
Dachande said:
You can easily get the MadCatz SF4 sticks in the UK, SE or TE depending on how much you want to spend.

How are the Standard editions compared to the Tournament editions? I am so close to picking up the SE.
 
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