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Faust
Perpetually Tired
Hello everyone.
First off, we would like to make an apology for the error of linking that particular post. It was never one specific post that lead to the decision of brap’s ban but looking at his history with the site and the numerous warnings and bans we have given him over the years.
To be as transparent as we can, we have given brap 8 warnings, 4 reply bans, and 2 site bans within the past year, with numerous post deletions and edits as well.
Just a few of his more recent posts that we had to action against:
We had noticed a trend with brap’s recent actions having routinely gone over the line. As has been stated in the past, we are fine with joking around with some humorous and light-hearted jabs, however there was a clear escalation of vitriol and ever increasing and more prominent console warring posts that we could not ignore. We have discussed at length numerous times over the past year about what to do with the user and have reached out to him as many times. Sadly, these attempts to reach out, the warnings, and the bans seemed to have no real affect.
As stated in the ban message, it was a tough decision, but we believe we were more than fair with brap, but ultimately a perm was deemed necessary.
First off, we would like to make an apology for the error of linking that particular post. It was never one specific post that lead to the decision of brap’s ban but looking at his history with the site and the numerous warnings and bans we have given him over the years.
To be as transparent as we can, we have given brap 8 warnings, 4 reply bans, and 2 site bans within the past year, with numerous post deletions and edits as well.
Just a few of his more recent posts that we had to action against:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...or-the-controller-wtf.1534137/#post-257601858
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/dear...er-low-res-dont-do-it.1519273/#post-256482310
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-...sa-localization.1532943/page-2#post-257500665
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...new-acquisition.1531749/page-2#post-257386929
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-...no-one-gets-itt.1527786/page-2#post-257055474
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/dear...er-low-res-dont-do-it.1519273/#post-256482310
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-...sa-localization.1532943/page-2#post-257500665
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...new-acquisition.1531749/page-2#post-257386929
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-...no-one-gets-itt.1527786/page-2#post-257055474
We had noticed a trend with brap’s recent actions having routinely gone over the line. As has been stated in the past, we are fine with joking around with some humorous and light-hearted jabs, however there was a clear escalation of vitriol and ever increasing and more prominent console warring posts that we could not ignore. We have discussed at length numerous times over the past year about what to do with the user and have reached out to him as many times. Sadly, these attempts to reach out, the warnings, and the bans seemed to have no real affect.
As stated in the ban message, it was a tough decision, but we believe we were more than fair with brap, but ultimately a perm was deemed necessary.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Same.
Tesseract
Banned
understandable, i said this elsewhere but he was burning the third rail hard for quite some time
thanks for the explanation
Saber
Member
The clarification its more than welcome.
I think we need this kind of actions for particular cases like that.
Tesseract
Banned
we do, they've been really good about that since the reboot
Saber
Member
No, I mean, they clearly do that.
What I'm talking is in the ban page. Maybe the ban page could give the user a more detailed explanation for the resulting ban(something like "for full details, click here" followed by a detailed mod explanation). But only on expecific cases like that.
Tesseract
Banned
like a litany of offenses?
that might drudge up bad blood between users, but i'm no expert
Papa
Banned
That was all console war bullshit. Who gives a fuck? Just ban him from the gaming section. He was part of the greatest character comedy on the Internet right now and you just killed off Kramer.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Given that Brap is a beloved user here, literally top 10 of the entire site in reactions, isn’t there some kind of compromise we can come to?
He wants to be here. Your audience definitely wants him to be here. And I’m not so sure you don’t want him to be here.
When we’re dealing with somebody that even Nintendo fans (Brap’s often preferred banter target) love, obviously, things aren’t playing out quite as a simple console warrior/troll situation.
A permaban puts anybody on notice. The intent, and results of any future actions are clear. With that in mind, could you round down to a regular ban? If it doesn’t work out, okay, but I genuinely think this is worth a shot, and that it would.
I wouldn’t regularly say this, but I do think that any misgivings with a person should be weighed against their contributions (and to be fair to you guys, they obviously have). This is the definition of a special case. I think Brap has contributed enough enjoyment and friendship to all of us, to be worthy of a last chance, with the understanding of what will happen if it’s spent.
He wants to be here. Your audience definitely wants him to be here. And I’m not so sure you don’t want him to be here.
When we’re dealing with somebody that even Nintendo fans (Brap’s often preferred banter target) love, obviously, things aren’t playing out quite as a simple console warrior/troll situation.
A permaban puts anybody on notice. The intent, and results of any future actions are clear. With that in mind, could you round down to a regular ban? If it doesn’t work out, okay, but I genuinely think this is worth a shot, and that it would.
I wouldn’t regularly say this, but I do think that any misgivings with a person should be weighed against their contributions (and to be fair to you guys, they obviously have). This is the definition of a special case. I think Brap has contributed enough enjoyment and friendship to all of us, to be worthy of a last chance, with the understanding of what will happen if it’s spent.
Richard Packer
Member
Brap contributed nothing but hate and citcle jerking. This forum will be better off.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Mods, keep in mind that nobody has ever cared what this guy thought.
Richard Packer
Member
Looks like someone does lol.
Elektro Demon
Banned
Jesus a perm? Cmon he's a popular user and quite loved by the community, That's harsh.
Maybe a month ban? I mean the world as we know it is ending, whole world is in lockdown, what's he gonna do without gaf?
#freeElBrepe
Maybe a month ban? I mean the world as we know it is ending, whole world is in lockdown, what's he gonna do without gaf?
#freeElBrepe
Barsinister
Banned
There are a handful of posters that if all of them leave or are permabamned, I will leave altogether too. Brap is one of them.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Thanks for the explanation. He was already given preferential treatment before but may I ask why now? Thanks for being transparent and understanding.
Papa
Banned
True colours right here
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm fine with giving him another chance. At what point though, does this approach start becoming "protected member" status where some get judged by a different set of standards than others?
Papa
Banned
I've never liked perms except in the case of spam or obvious shills. If a regular member keeps having moments of autism, just have rolling one month bans. There are bigger picture cultural implications for this and it will take a while for the chilling effect to thaw.
Mista
Banned
What preferential treatment? You want people with preferential treatment that are still here or banned for 6-7 days? I can list them for you
Elektro Demon
Banned
He's a cool guy and a regular poster. Sadly, if we're being honest, there's not that much people who post on a daily basis on GAF.
Don't be a negative nancy, fudge.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Did you read his post? I like brap, even when he sperged out at me I never reported him because it was bant. He was getting better I asked why now for a reason.
Yeah that is what I was thinking as well.
Faust literally said that.
Mista
Banned
I don’t care what anyone says. I’m here every damn day! I see them myself and if you don’t see them in the gaming section then thats a problem. We had cunts shit over the whole place after the PS5 specs reveal and every damn Xbox thread. Where are they? Here. Anyone that talks about “preferential treatment” I will gladly provide them with a list of people that are still here that should get braps treamtment. I am here everyday, don’t need anyone to tell me anything
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-Arcadia-
Banned
That’s the thing though. Contributions aren’t forged equally.
Somebody that has brought enough joy to the site to have that sky-high of a reaction number is objectively one of the more valuable members on the site, and action against him deserves more thought (and the mods have been doing this) than somebody who hasn’t contributed much.
Mista
Banned
@SLoWMoTIoN You haven’t even read my post and reacted with a laugh? Sorry for wasting my time
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I never liked perms either. If each ban-worthy action results in increasingly longer bans anyway, troubled users eventually perm themselves with multiple years long bans.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
These guys have gotten banned before as well?I don’t care what anyone says. I’m here every damn day! I see them myself and if you don’t see them in the gaming section then thats a problem. We had cunts shit over the whole place after the PS5 specs reveal and every damn Xbox thread. Where are they? Here. Anyone that talks about “preferential treatment” I will gladly provide them with a list of people that are still here that should get braps treamtment. I am here everyday, don’t need anyone to tell me anything
I'm not a slow reader.
edit: I'd react with a uncomfortable reaction if I could.
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Mista
Banned
Yeah and returned with the SAME shit and they're still here. Surpriseeeee
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
Mods are taking out long time shitposters?
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Well then...isn't that something.
Mista
Banned
I am really wasting my time explaining shit that everyone on here have seen. Otherwise at least one would've disagreed with everything I said
Yeah thats your "preferential treatment"
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I don't disagree with that, but unless I'm reading Faust's explanation wrong, it would seem that the vitriol and console warring brought enough "anti-joy" to others to tip the scales and warrant action.
Mista
Banned
But it was okay a couple of weeks ago when I was complaining about it. Because I knew the end result, I knew it very well.
Anything for activity I guess until someone keeps hitting the report button even with their toes
And then you have this useless new rule that wasn't applied and changed nothing. The shitshow kept on rolling
So it begins, the great console battle of our time (moderation policy annex)
Hey Gaffers (old and new), It can't have escaped anyone's attention, that there have been some recent updates on console power, technology and approaches. Some threads have derailed into infighting pretty quickly but a larger number are consistently at the edge of being completely unreadable...
Sorry that I am honest and I am not sorry if it will get me into shit
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Barnabot
Member
weren't you brap's buddy or something?
Richard Packer
Member
The best of friends.
bronk
Banned
Bummer! I like brap. I don't think he should be perm'd to be honest. Just ban him more or ban him from gaming for awhile. Granted I don't much talk like he does but those posts didn't bother me at all. He talks like an asshole but alot of people still like him. Why is that? It's probably because everyone knows he's not a bad guy. Just my random opinion.
Elektro Demon
Banned
He's a likeable asshole. Same thing with Paulie Walnuts. He's a mean asshole but everyone still likes him.
-Arcadia-
Banned
I addressed that in my first post on the page.
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
"Quite loved by the community" is a bit of an exaggeration, to be fair. He makes some funny posts for sure but even EviLore brought up how he was increasingly testing the waters with his posts the last time he was banned. Honestly, it's unfortunate that he was banned but it's not exactly surprising either.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Nail on head.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
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Kadayi
Banned
Very much in agreement with this. Perms should only be for spam and utterly irredeemable shit. Bans should just roll with a years redemption period. So if you get banned say for 2 weeks and you earn another within that year then you get a month, then 3 months, then 6 months, and then a full year.
Elektro Demon
Banned
It's not an exaggeration. He is very loved on GAF.
The problem seems to be in the gaming section. So they could ban him from there for a certain amount of time. A perm is too harsh.
Perm is for some straight up disgusting stuff, but not for this, imo.
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Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
Literally in this same thread, the last time he was banned.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
If what mista is saying is correct all of these perm bans from the gaming side seem very biased.
edit: or rash
edit: richard stop
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