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While this is just a meta commentary on the current state of pop culture and critical climate, please refrain from drive-by derails with little substance. This is a note, not a warning.

Funny one line drive by’s may not be the best ideas outside of comedy night (... and not because you mock the “almighty” mods )...

Must have been a new guy...

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Damn, Lemming got permabanned.....

 

[Papa]

Must have been a new guy...

But he said it’s a note, not a warning.

Here’s my most recent one.

 

[Cunth]

lol you’re being tracked

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Talking to your own alt is a forbidden act on GAF.

 

[Cunth]

Talking to your own alt is a forbidden act on GAF.

maybe you're Mista 's alt

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

maybe you're Mista 's alt

 

[Bill O'Rights]

You will die as a console warrior?

Deleted scene - Obviously we are the Helms Deep posse on the same side. Also, I just don't know how to edit gifs to say 'you' instead of 'them'

I know this thread is for banned members only but can something also be done about locking threads based on articles from dubious sites? Sausage Roll produces nothing but clickbait articles with speculation and improbable sources.

We get into very questionable territory once certain sources are discredited or vindicated by mods/admins. Believe me, there are tons of sites that make us roll our eyes and it would be tempting to replace with redirects or asteriks, but that methodology doesn't provide that learning experience for those who need it the most. The community should be pointing out what makes a bad source or questioning the legitimacy of it which rubs off onto other posters and in time becomes the 'norm'. We've entered some weird era, where a tweet by a nobody becomes a substantiated accusation/an authoritative source.


Questions like

i) When is the data/article from
ii) What is the scope/cohort of applicables
iii) are there actual quotes
iv) are they in context
v) Is there an author/site bias
vi) Is the article credible
vii) is it independent


Should be getting outed by the community. Be that lone voice if you have to. There will always be people who run with the headline unfortunately but over time, their perceptions and knee jerk reactions can be rounded out more, and translate to real world skills/self improvement. It's strange to think of it but we're not just here to stamp out fires, we like our community and we want to see individuals grow as well over time. Forums as 'discourse' are never going to resemble contentious letters between philosophers for example, but we can attempt to make the exchanges as genuine as possible. However, we will discuss this further between ourselves and see if there is a more balanced way or more creative way to arrive at the same point.

 

[Kagey K]

I think something that would help is if warnings actually gave notifications + more use of the warning system prior to bans. All of the warnings on my account I never knew about until I went into my profile and saw them months later.

I had one warning that I had to acknowledge. When I signed in it made me check a box and accept it before I could do anything on the forum, so the systems are in place for more severe warnings,

 

[Bill O'Rights]

But he said it’s a note, not a warning.
Here’s my most recent one.
[massive picture removed]

Sometimes mods will add notes/warnings to certain users when we feel the report or current behaviour doesn't fully substantiate the claim, but can be used as a referral point in the future. Some of these will have 0 points attached which means they don't accumulate any totting up when deciding on any further action. When they expire they turn grey as posted. This enables us to be pretty sure when someone has a catalogue of behaviour. It's one of the reasons we're usually pretty sure when we pull the trigger, we have enough accumulated evidence to support that pattern. It's visible to each user on their profile I think - this is so users can review their own, in the name of transparency and not be hit with 'severe history of something' that they don't know about. I'm sure it was posted as a site update on one of the upgrades but my aged brain may be recollecting that wrong.


Obviously, some are valid warnings. Most of these have standard options (send alert, send alert and PM, suppress all other notifications until warning seen and 'acknowledge'). Not every warning requires a PM but we do send them occassionally. Other times you may get an alert for one warning (e.g. console warring) which is acknowledged and then it's ignored. At that point, further examples may be added without alerts, so the next time we do officially warn we have examples to hand (without being so heavy handed as to issue another warning right away). It's more a creative and dynamic way of enabling us to respond quicker, though we're mostly in the mod chat as well. Acknowledgments are exactly that, it's more a verification for the mod to be able to say we added a warning and the member has definitely seen it - I guess it's more of a read receipt for us. They're a bit abrasive so as Kagey K says, we use them sparingly or when we have to demonstrate that it's getting to the point of no return.

 

[MudoSkills]

Where do you go to check if you have any warnings?

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Where do you go to check if you have any warnings?

They should be in your profile, click your username then one of the sub tabs should show warnings. I think it is context adaptive, so if you don't have any it won't be there.

 

[Papa]

Sometimes mods will add notes/warnings to certain users when we feel the report or current behaviour doesn't fully substantiate the claim, but can be used as a referral point in the future. Some of these will have 0 points attached which means they don't accumulate any totting up when deciding on any further action. When they expire they turn grey as posted. This enables us to be pretty sure when someone has a catalogue of behaviour. It's one of the reasons we're usually pretty sure when we pull the trigger, we have enough accumulated evidence to support that pattern. It's visible to each user on their profile I think - this is so users can review their own, in the name of transparency and not be hit with 'severe history of something' that they don't know about. I'm sure it was posted as a site update on one of the upgrades but my aged brain may be recollecting that wrong.


Obviously, some are valid warnings. Most of these have standard options (send alert, send alert and PM, suppress all other notifications until warning seen and 'acknowledge'). Not every warning requires a PM but we do send them occassionally. Other times you may get an alert for one warning (e.g. console warring) which is acknowledged and then it's ignored. At that point, further examples may be added without alerts, so the next time we do officially warn we have examples to hand (without being so heavy handed as to issue another warning right away). It's more a creative and dynamic way of enabling us to respond quicker, though we're mostly in the mod chat as well. Acknowledgments are exactly that, it's more a verification for the mod to be able to say we added a warning and the member has definitely seen it - I guess it's more of a read receipt for us. They're a bit abrasive so as Kagey K says, we use them sparingly or when we have to demonstrate that it's getting to the point of no return.

How come sometimes a warning has been added to the post but I don’t get an alert

 

[Mista]

maybe you're Mista 's alt

 

[Bill O'Rights]

How come sometimes a warning has been added to the post but I don’t get an alert

For most recent ones you should get an alert for most. The functionality is part of the software so improvements comes as releases mature and addons are improved/installed. From memory, I think this improvement came later down the line after the immense migration done by the admins, which is why early warnings may not have had an alert sent. So this is what the option looks like our side:

The second check box only appears when you tick the first. Start a conversation is 'Send a PM', and 'Send alert' just adds a '1' to your notifications. We don't send an alert in certain circumstances. These vary but common reasons might be:


i) backdated warning - something we missed a while ago but want to tag as the expiration will have ended
ii) when we feel the report or current behaviour doesn't fully substantiate a proper warning yet, but we want to be aware of something. In this instance, the warning becomes more of a 'note' on the account - but the functionality provided technically labels it as a 'warning'. This might be used if a new signup looks like a spambot. So, in the future a mod can look and already see there were suspicions of it being a spambot, and can act with reasonable assurance
iii) a note to highlight that a previous warning is being ignored - this makes having to go through users histories a bit easier if there are examples to hand for context. Sometimes these will be report generated, or sometimes just picked up as a mod reads an interesting thread. These are usually followed up, if necessary, with a warning with that checkbox selected. Of course, some expire and just remain there as orphans though as users self correct.


Its not mean to be a comprehensive list but it gives you an insight into how we try to keep things running without being overly dramatic or a constant presence in everyone's notifications. One of the reasons this was chosen by the admins was because of the huge visibility and accountability mods can be held to. Everything is audited, logged and visible to prevent any one person going rogue. Generally, if we can't reach a full consensus the least restrictive/intrusive measure is applied or referred up to admins, so they can cast their more experienced eye over the situation for conflict of interest, fresh eyes etc.

 

[plushyp]

We get into very questionable territory once certain sources are discredited or vindicated by mods/admins. Believe me, there are tons of sites that make us roll our eyes and it would be tempting to replace with redirects or asteriks, but that methodology doesn't provide that learning experience for those who need it the most. The community should be pointing out what makes a bad source or questioning the legitimacy of it which rubs off onto other posters and in time becomes the 'norm'. We've entered some weird era, where a tweet by a nobody becomes a substantiated accusation/an authoritative source.

Questions like

i) When is the data/article from
ii) What is the scope/cohort of applicables
iii) are there actual quotes
iv) are they in context
v) Is there an author/site bias
vi) Is the article credible
vii) is it independent.

Should be getting outed by the community. Be that lone voice if you have to. There will always be people who run with the headline unfortunately but over time, their perceptions and knee jerk reactions can be rounded out more, and translate to real world skills/self improvement. It's strange to think of it but we're not just here to stamp out fires, we like our community and we want to see individuals grow as well over time. Forums as 'discourse' are never going to resemble contentious letters between philosophers for example, but we can attempt to make the exchanges as genuine as possible. However, we will discuss this further between ourselves and see if there is a more balanced way or more creative way to arrive at the same point.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. In my original post I was only talking about websites as tweets/4chan/reddit posts etc can come from numerous people which can either legitimate or not. You made me look at the bigger picture as well since like you said these days a lot of the news comes from unconventional sources.

Regarding your last para; in practice any post like that falls on deaf ears because the fighting supercedes it. The discourse that comes out of it is neither productive nor worthwhile. Users with opposing views will have their personal beliefs only further solidified because they were busy insulting each other rather than explaining their point of view. In an ideal world they would be challenging each others thinking but since the source (i.e the website) is rotten things only go downhill from there. You can see the evidence of it in the threads I linked above. I'm just glad that you're going to be having an admin/mod discussion about it.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I was sad to see Lemming got the perma. I wasn’t on last night, or whenever he posted the spoiler. I dunno what exactly what he wrote or the context.

It’s a shame because the sticky has been up for a coupled days now the the policy is clear as day. I wish everyone would just use the leaks thread and spare themselves the ban and spare everyone else the spoilers.

LemmingWithaParachute , if you see this, you always seemed like a good dude. I’ll continue to use the Brap’d Emma Roberts pic in your honor

 

[CatLady]

For most recent ones you should get an alert for most. The functionality is part of the software so improvements comes as releases mature and addons are improved/installed. From memory, I think this improvement came later down the line after the immense migration done by the admins, which is why early warnings may not have had an alert sent. So this is what the option looks like our side:

The second check box only appears when you tick the first. Start a conversation is 'Send a PM', and 'Send alert' just adds a '1' to your notifications. We don't send an alert in certain circumstances. These vary but common reasons might be:


i) backdated warning - something we missed a while ago but want to tag as the expiration will have ended
ii) when we feel the report or current behaviour doesn't fully substantiate a proper warning yet, but we want to be aware of something. In this instance, the warning becomes more of a 'note' on the account - but the functionality provided technically labels it as a 'warning'. This might be used if a new signup looks like a spambot. So, in the future a mod can look and already see there were suspicions of it being a spambot, and can act with reasonable assurance
iii) a note to highlight that a previous warning is being ignored - this makes having to go through users histories a bit easier if there are examples to hand for context. Sometimes these will be report generated, or sometimes just picked up as a mod reads an interesting thread. These are usually followed up, if necessary, with a warning with that checkbox selected. Of course, some expire and just remain there as orphans though as users self correct.


Its not mean to be a comprehensive list but it gives you an insight into how we try to keep things running without being overly dramatic or a constant presence in everyone's notifications. One of the reasons this was chosen by the admins was because of the huge visibility and accountability mods can be held to. Everything is audited, logged and visible to prevent any one person going rogue. Generally, if we can't reach a full consensus the least restrictive/intrusive measure is applied or referred up to admins, so they can cast their more experienced eye over the situation for conflict of interest, fresh eyes etc.

Thank you for the detailed information on what goes on behind the scenes. The transparency on this site is amazing and one of the many things that makes GAF my favorite site for gaming and more.

I think EviLore and all the members of this site are truly lucky to have such an excellent Mod team, especially when contrasted with the biased insanity that is the moderation team at the REE asylum or Twitter and the many others that only tolerate a hivemind .

GAF is the Safe Space for people that aren't insane.

 

[Whitesnake]

D Dingleberry Dynamo

May 1, 2020

Permanent

Alt of Elektro Demon

Baby what is you doin?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

lol

Poor ED. With that name I’m sure he knew it was an insta-catch.

I miss you ED. Stay strong out there, bruh

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Ya know.....

Just thinking out loud here.

We have people (I said people but meant idiots) suicide posting with spoilers and Nazi comparisons because they, for whatever strange reason, want to “get out of here,“ yet on the flip side we have a guy like ED scratching and clawing to get back in.

You remember in The Office when Dwight loses his acting manager position due to firing a gun in the office, and when Jo assigned a committee to find a new manager, Dwight did everything he could to get an interview, even posing as a full body burn victim in bandages. Jo was so impressed by his lunatic resolve that she granted him an interview.

Maybe ED is our Dwight. A little, tiny bit of crazy never hurt anybody, right?

Maybe give ED a last chance?

 

[bronk]

No ED without brap.

 

[Tesseract]

e_d is an ascended saiyan, he'll be fine

 

[Slings and Arrows]

With the rate these posters are dropping like flies, I'll be a 'long-time member' in a matter of days

 

[M1chl]

Ya know.....

Just thinking out loud here.

We have people (I said people but meant idiots) suicide posting with spoilers and Nazi comparisons because they, for whatever strange reason, want to “get out of here,“ yet on the flip side we have a guy like ED scratching and clawing to get back in.

You remember in The Office when Dwight loses his acting manager position due to firing a gun in the office, and when Jo assigned a committee to find a new manager, Dwight did everything he could to get an interview, even posing as a full body burn victim in bandages. Jo was so impressed by his lunatic resolve that she granted him an interview.

Maybe ED is our Dwight. A little, tiny bit of crazy never hurt anybody, right?

Maybe give ED a last chance?

No ED without brap.

With current events...we should probably shill more for our bois. I mean, I haven't been here long it certainly was long enough, to remeber.

I am just thinking out loud too. I am not dying on this hill : D

 

[haxan7]

If you don’t wanna get banned don’t call the owner of the site a cunt. It really isn’t hard.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

If you don’t wanna get banned don’t call the owner of the site a cunt. It really isn’t hard.

There is no arguing this. I never said he wasn’t asking for it. Other people recently have been quick to forgive other banned users for “making a mistake,” and in that spirit, it was clearly a mistake to freak out on EL.

It all seemed to escalate quickly, from thread privileges to temp ban to perma in like a 5 day span. Maybe he just was having a rough time?

 

[M1chl]

If you don’t wanna get banned don’t call the owner of the site a cunt. It really isn’t hard.

It's just a naivity, that here everyone is your friend and that there is no hiearchy. which obviously it's not the case, as it should not be. He admitted even his alts in here, before : D

 

[Ornlu]

It's just a naivity, that here everyone is your friend and that there is no hiearchy.

Ooh, what's the pecking order? Is it based off of tenure? Reactions? Let's hear the dish.

 

[M1chl]

Ooh, what's the pecking order? Is it based off of tenure? Reactions? Let's hear the dish.

No, but I guess owner and mods would be "higher ups" : ) I don't know if I used the word correctly tho.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

This isn't ResetEra. As much as I liked Elektro, a ban is a ban.

 

[Dark Rider]

I dont think the community would suffer more or less with the proposed adaptions.
Banning someone for a loger period of time, lets say 12 months, imstead of permabanning them could cause a change for that individual.
I have no problems with permabanning unchanging individuals.
I have also no problem with giving a nuge at the first offense.
What i think is wrong is thst the second offense also feels like a nuge only, and then we jump to permaban right away.
As I said: First, slap on the wrist; Second, slap on the wrist; third, execution.
I am certain that some users which are now permabanned would have taken the situation more seriously, if they had been banned for a few months at the second/x offense.

We agree on the concept of escalation.
What we disagree on is that in your opinion the escalation has to be in small steps regardless of anything?
In my opinion the escalation depend on the offence and the member history and their willingness to reform.
So if the member show signs of retrospect or reform then sparing them a perm and issuing longer bans might be in order, but if it is clear the member will not change after warnings and thread bans and a few site bans then it is reasonable to go for a perm (again based on the offence)
Of course offences that warrant instant perms are a different story altogether.

 

[MetalAlien]

lol

Poor ED. With that name I’m sure he knew it was an insta-catch.

I miss you ED. Stay strong out there, bruh

I think this song is better for ED than it is for me....

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

This isn't ResetEra. As much as I liked Elektro, a ban is a ban.

Go continue playing FF7R, you dweeb

 

[CatLady]

If you don’t wanna get banned don’t call the owner of the site a cunt. It really isn’t hard.

Making yet another alt doesn't really help his case either. Starting to lose sympathy for him.

He needs to learn patience. He should have just accepted the having his thread-making privileges revoked, waited a month or 2 and politely plead his case instead of calling the owner a cunt.

After getting banned he should have tried sending a PM to the site owner with an apology and explanation instead of making an alt.

When he failed to get reinstated after making an alt and a public plea here, again he should have waited a few months and sent a PM to the site owner instead of trying to get around his ban by making another alt.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Go continue playing FF7R, you dweeb

Have you actually played Death Stranding yet or are you still playing up your little gimmick?

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Have you actually played Death Stranding yet or are you still playing up your little gimmick?

YOOOO! You right

 

[nush]

If you don’t wanna get banned don’t call the owner of the site a cunt. It really isn’t hard.

Elektro Demon DMs Evilore April 12 2020 colorized

Spoiler

 

[BlackOlivesMatter]

No ED without brap.

pretty sure brap suffered from ED, hence his pent up aggression

 

[haxan7]

Elektro Demon DMs Evilore April 12 2020 colorized

Spoiler

I don’t get it

 

[Rentahamster]

I don’t get it

two examples of a cheeky joke that backfired

 

[nush]

I don’t get it

#instantregret

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Birdo's Perm got changed to a one month.

And on ED's case, it seems he is just too dumb to play it the right way. Unfortunately.

 

[Bakkus]

Birdo's Perm got changed to a one month.

Thank goodness. NintendoGAF is already small enough as it is!

 

[Papa]

Thank goodness. NintendoGAF is already small enough as it is!

I would also be annoyed if it were just me and Yoshi in a community

 

[nush]

And on ED's case, it seems he is just too dumb to play it the right way. Unfortunately.

He's doing exactly the same thing he's done whenever he's been modded. It worked for him, right up until it no longer worked as he burned through all his chances.

 

[nush]

 

[MasterCornholio]

Hate fapping and chaturbaiting.

I learned two new ways to fap.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Birdo's Perm got changed to a one month.

Will you suck his coco when he comes back?

 

[Mista]

Would like to make this post especially for the mods. I'd like to thank you for being more fair now and eliminating fanboyism and all the shitshow

The place is returning to be more pleasant day by day now and thank you all for making this. I know that I questioned you before and I apologise for that

Thank you for all your effort and the time you put in our virtual home. I appreciate you