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Neon Genesis Evangelion AKA the worst anime ever

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Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Serial Experiments Lain has lots of electricity poles, too. Which fits with the whole wired world messing with the real world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-OTZHBIuE
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What's with electricity poles and anime? Anime loves using those for transition shots.

Someone should make a Youtube channel that's just anime electricity poles.

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lol
https://powerlinesinanime.tumblr.com/
 

DarkKyo

Member
This thread comes at a weird time for me as I've really gotten back into Evangelion recently(was big into it in my teens but I'm appreciating it on a new level now in my late twenties). I always mostly understood the end-game in EoE, but it's only now that it actually manages to disturb me in new ways. Been showing my gf the Rebuild movies(first time for her) and re-watching some stuff from the series/EoE(I showed her those when we were younger but she didn't really like them then). But yeah I just want to gush about how great Eva is on both a psychological/human condition level and also a cool, action-anime level. Its designs and action sequences are top notch and timeless. The Rebuild series is doing a lot of cool things but nobody really seems to know what it's going for in terms of an overall narrative yet... but I think that's kind of exciting. My only hope is that they manage to do something special with whatever 3.0+1.0 is. But anyways the visuals and animation in Rebuild is fantastic. 2.22 is possibly my favorite anime movie.. they somehow managed to surpass the series version of the Zeruel fight(which was always the coolest from the series).

Going to show her 3.33 next, not sure what she'll think of it lol
 

Despera

Banned
This thread comes at a weird time for me as I've really gotten back into Evangelion recently(was big into it in my teens but I'm appreciating it on a new level now in my late twenties). I always mostly understood the end-game in EoE, but it's only now that it actually manages to disturb me in new ways. Been showing my gf the Rebuild movies(first time for her) and re-watching some stuff from the series/EoE(I showed her those when we were younger but she didn't really like them then). But yeah I just want to gush about how great Eva is on both a psychological/human condition level and also a cool, action-anime level. Its designs and action sequences are top notch and timeless. The Rebuild series is doing a lot of cool things but nobody really seems to know what it's going for in terms of an overall narrative yet... but I think that's kind of exciting. My only hope is that they manage to do something special with whatever 3.0+1.0 is. But anyways the visuals and animation in Rebuild is fantastic. 2.22 is possibly my favorite anime movie.. they somehow managed to surpass the series version of the Zeruel fight(which was always the coolest from the series).

Going to show her 3.33 next, not sure what she'll think of it lol
Speaking of 3.0+1.0, I've read somewhere that it will continue the story beyond EoE. That will probably usher in a new era of crazy speculation...

Can't wait lol
 
They are very different, but it's pretty obvious it's more than just superficial with Amuro. Also his father is an actual tragic figure by the time you see him later in the series. Especially compared to Gendo in the original series who is basically a cartoon villian posing as his father. There are dozens of parallels between the two such as their reactions to the accidental killings of Lalah and Kaworu.

There is also the fact that Bright is basically acting as a surrogate father to him although he is literally scared of Amuro and constantly pushes him away. Amaro also only sees himself as useful because of his ability to pilot the Gundam so when that is about to be taken away from him he breaks down.

I also just think it falls apart because although his depression is realistic, it doesn't really match the catalyst that causes it. Him actually being able to pull through 90% of the time despite the fact he not only has deep-seeded issues but those are exacerbated by being literally mindfucked by Lovecraft-esque cosmic horror drags the entire thing down for me.

Depression, especially on a cosmic horror exstitensial dread level, is not something that you can push through with desperation and gumption. The ending of the series is where I feel like it really goes off the rails because despite all he goes through he basically manages to beat his depression. This is why I feel like EoE is a much more concise work.

I still think it is entertaining series with a lot of cool ideas even with the flaws. I just don't think it is some amazing work with a realistic breakdown of the human psyche as some seem to think. It is worth noting that I find EoE much better in that regard.
That's actually a really good comparison of both characters thanks. You do have a point. With some one as depressed as Shinji was he really did keep it together well fighting a whole bunch of cosmic monsters that essentially just wanted to mind rape the guy. Sane people wouldn't even be able to cope with that.
 
I really liked it till about 3/4 of the way through. Mostly because of Shinji. I thought he was an interesting character because yes, this is how a traumatized kid would act in his shoes, but unfortunately i just found it grating after a while. Didn't care for either ending either. Just seemed really sudden.

Overall, mostly liked it, thought it dragged to long and had a shit ending. At least EoE was gorgeously animated.
 
So what's the cheapest way to watch the series? I found this, but it's way too expensive!

Right now legally.... not really anything you can do but wait. The rights are in a weird limbo over here, funimation has the movie rights but the show just isn't around in any form. As much as eva is talked about it isn't exactly the easiest to find. I wouldn't give up hope though, serial experiments lain didn't have a box set in years and one day funimation just poped up and gave me some blurays.
 

DarkKyo

Member
Speaking of 3.0+1.0, I've read somewhere that it will continue the story beyond EoE. That will probably usher in a new era of crazy speculation...

Can't wait lol

Really?? Isn't that pretty much what 1.0 did? Continue the story soon after EoE assuming Shinji chose to "restart" things from either Second Impact(which was basically the first Third Impact from EoE) or from when he meets Misato?

Unless you're implying that 3.0 leaves the characters at an inert dead end so with 3.0+1.0 they're exploring an alternate choice of Shinji's instrumentality after EoE...
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
So what's the cheapest way to watch the series? I found this, but it's way too expensive!
You'll just have to wait for the Blu-Rays to be translated
in 10 years
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The perfect collection is also the worst version of it, since the transfer was crap. The Platinum collection is better, but the best version is the blu-ray box which is only available in Japan right now.
 

Blablurn

Member
Just finished the show and end of evangelion

starting with episode 16 or 17, i forgot, this becomes the biggest mess i've ever seen.

episode 25 and 26 is just a joke. then i read up why its a joke. so i understood.


afterwards i watched end of evangelion. cause apparently .... well.. i dont know why it was needed

that was 1.5h of bullshit. in the beginning of EoE I was like: "ok, not bad". but the fuck. the last 45 min it just gets worse and worse.

school days.

Neon Genesis Evangelion made me stop watching anime. I'm done.
 
Just finished the show and end of evangelion

starting with episode 16 or 17, i forgot, this becomes the biggest mess i've ever seen.

episode 25 and 26 is just a joke. then i read up why its a joke. so i understood.


afterwards i watched end of evangelion. cause apparently .... well.. i dont know why it was needed

that was 1.5h of bullshit. in the beginning of EoE I was like: "ok, not bad". but the fuck. the last 45 min it just gets worse and worse.

school days.

Neon Genesis Evangelion made me stop watching anime. I'm done.

Give the Rebuild movies a shot.
 
The worst thing that happened to Evangelion is that everyone kept recommending it to anime newbies even though this is a horrible idea since the series is so dependent on a working knowledge of the context it was created in.

This results in people who hear about its critical acclaim, watch it blindly, and then mistake the dressing(Christian symbolism) as the substance, while completely missing the criticism of anime tropes and deeply personal exploration of depression and loneliness. So you end up with people either rejecting it as pretentious shit or people writing pretentious shit about how deep it is, and yet neither group is even capable of actually understanding the series because they aren't aware of the context.

TL;DR please stop recommending Evangelion to anime virgins.

This is the exact same reason why I wish people would stop recommending Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns to comic newbies. They are deconstructionist work with a lot of unique elements of craft that only becomes most apparent when you're more familiar with typical 70s/80s superhero comics. How can you get an appreciation revisionist art if you dont even have a working knowledge of the traditional?
 

Jeb

Member
For the past 3 or so years, I've always found the theme song to be catchy and fun tune, but never watched the show with exception to some screens and 1 or 2 clips.

I've always been curious though, because I have never seen such divisiveness over a piece of media, it's either the anime of legend or the worst anime ever.

After seeing this thread, I eventually bit the bullet and watched the show and I have to say; even all that talk about being the "worst anime ever" does not do justice to how bad this show is.

Just seeing how pathetic Shinji was, was revolting and all the meta stuff at the end of the last two episodes was so boring, but the worst of the bunch is End of Eva, which took those two factors and cranked them up to 11 to produce the single worst thing I've ever witnessed.

Still like the theme song though.
 

Blablurn

Member
For the past 3 or so years, I've always found the theme song to be catchy and fun tune, but never watched the show with exception to some screens and 1 or 2 clips.

I've always been curious though, because I have never seen such divisiveness over a piece of media, it's either the anime of legend or the worst anime ever.

After seeing this thread, I eventually bit the bullet and watched the show and I have to say; even all that talk about being the "worst anime ever" does not do justice to how bad this show is.

Just seeing how pathetic Shinji was, was revolting and all the meta stuff at the end of the last two episodes was so boring, but the worst of the bunch is End of Eva, which took those two factors and cranked them up to 11 to produce the single worst thing I've ever witnessed.

Still like the theme song though.

yep

i agree with all of this
 

EVOL 100%

Member
I'm a big fan of surrealistic media, but the first half seems like pointless animu bullshit while the second half is like a bad, puffed up film art student project. I liked some parts of the movie, but as a whole its too over the top it's hard to take seriously

Lain's themes are much more interesting, the imagery is better and relies less on cringey anime tropes
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
I will not watch anything NGE releated for the next 10 years
Don't worry, by then the last movie should finally be coming out.

For the past 3 or so years, I've always found the theme song to be catchy and fun tune, but never watched the show with exception to some screens and 1 or 2 clips.

I've always been curious though, because I have never seen such divisiveness over a piece of media, it's either the anime of legend or the worst anime ever.

After seeing this thread, I eventually bit the bullet and watched the show and I have to say; even all that talk about being the "worst anime ever" does not do justice to how bad this show is.

Just seeing how pathetic Shinji was, was revolting and all the meta stuff at the end of the last two episodes was so boring, but the worst of the bunch is End of Eva, which took those two factors and cranked them up to 11 to produce the single worst thing I've ever witnessed.

Still like the theme song though.
Avatar quote.




I think it's already been discussed but you're not really supposed to like Shinji. He's a weird kid with a lot of anger, loneliness, sadness, and possibly depression. He's like the worst representation of human beings, which is why he's an anti-hero. The rest of the cast have their own problems, so in a way Evangelion may be too surreal and too real at its core. I love that shit.
 

Nickle

Cool Facts: Game of War has been a hit since July 2013
If you want the main character to be a cool alpha like you, there's thousands of shitty anime out there waiting to be watched.
 

Dang0

Member
Man, if people think Eva is the worst anime, they clearly have not watched much anime. Go watch Dragonauts, then say that Eva's worse, I dare you!
 

menacin

Banned
anything in retrospect can be incredibily shitty.

why did i watch so much shitty anime?


but! DUDE!

there are some respectable qualities. there are some episodes with amazing quality production/animation that

i believe on a second viewing you would appreciate.

skip the filler. skip the shit. view only the goddly moments of pure animation quality. and bask
 
Why do people who dislike Eva have to be so hyperbolic about it? To try to override the FACT that Eva is the Jesus of Anime? Like literally the best thing that happened to humanity?

Annoying tbh.
 

Manu

Member
Fuck that pussy Shinji. Seriously. We need more guys like Kirito in anime. He gets shit done.

20130511222624


The face of a winner. And he wears black all the time, which shows he's broken but badass.
 

EGOMON

Member
Just finished the show and end of evangelion

starting with episode 16 or 17, i forgot, this becomes the biggest mess i've ever seen.

episode 25 and 26 is just a joke. then i read up why its a joke. so i understood.


afterwards i watched end of evangelion. cause apparently .... well.. i dont know why it was needed

that was 1.5h of bullshit. in the beginning of EoE I was like: "ok, not bad". but the fuck. the last 45 min it just gets worse and worse.

school days.

Neon Genesis Evangelion made me stop watching anime. I'm done.
Thank You!
One of my all time regrets I had to stop watching anime for a while to forget the bad taste left by this garbage also fuck shinji
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Evangelion is a litmus test to see if someone has good or bad tastes. Hating Eva is like hating pizza.
 

Shai-Tan

Banned
What I remember most from Evangelion (never watched any of the rebuilds) is the mood it set in those early episodes. They did a good job setting up the scenario, especially in the first episode, and the feeling of (not so quiet) isolation (against the sound of cicadas). The characters have frustrating development and there are too much of what we would recognize now as anime tropes but they also did a fantastic job making visceral the world and the battles. The animation for the time was also quite good (in some of the episodes anyway)
 

Khoryos

Member
They should have made Shinji a cool badass who doesn't afraid of anything.

Had he, at some point, stopped being afraid of *something*, I might like him.

That's my complaint about Shinji - he starts out whiny, scared, and wussy - and he stays that way. Throughout the whole series we learn that the characters were different in the past, sure, but no-one actually grows or changes and that's intensely frustrating.

Thirty seconds of Bright Noa in their lives and everyone would be much improved.
 

Manu

Member
Had he, at some point, stopped being afraid of *something*, I might like him.

That's my complaint about Shinji - he starts out whiny, scared, and wussy - and he stays that way. Throughout the whole series we learn that the characters were different in the past, sure, but no-one actually grows or changes and that's intensely frustrating.

Thirty seconds of Bright Noa in their lives and everyone would be much improved.

We had some cocky, overconfident Shinji halfway through the series.

Then the 12th Angel happened.

And then the 13th.
 

zoukka

Member
What I remember most from Evangelion (never watched any of the rebuilds) is the mood it set in those early episodes. They did a good job setting up the scenario, especially in the first episode, and the feeling of (not so quiet) isolation (against the sound of cicadas). The characters have frustrating development and there are too much of what we would recognize now as anime tropes but they also did a fantastic job making visceral the world and the battles. The animation for the time was also quite good (in some of the episodes anyway)

The animation is still world class quality for a TV show.
 

Type40

Member
I watch the series easily twice a year. Always notice something new or subtle on each viewing. Every character has its own version of depression and loneliness, and deals/or doesn't deal with it in their own way.

Anyone who goes into expecting robots and cute girls will end up being disappointed due to their simplistic tastes that they accrued from only watching Toonami.
 
Fuck that pussy Shinji. Seriously. We need more guys like Kirito in anime. He gets shit done.

20130511222624


The face of a winner. And he wears black all the time, which shows he's broken but badass.
This guy isn't even the original Black Swordsman.
Had he, at some point, stopped being afraid of *something*, I might like him.

That's my complaint about Shinji - he starts out whiny, scared, and wussy - and he stays that way. Throughout the whole series we learn that the characters were different in the past, sure, but no-one actually grows or changes and that's intensely frustrating.

Thirty seconds of Bright Noa in their lives and everyone would be much improved.
A lot of the cast actually does make some sort of progress. Hell Shinji himself goes from being forced into piloting Eva 1 to choosing to do it himself towards the end cause he knows that if he doesn't the people he cares about will actually die. I do believe he needed a pep talk from Kaji to realize this, but he still realized it. Nobody forced him to fight the Angel that his Eva eventually ate, he chose do to it himself. Shinji's a fucked up kid in a cast full of fucked up people thrown into a fucked up world. Why are people shocked that he doesn't just shonen protag his way through everything?
 

MrChom

Member
I watch the series easily twice a year. Always notice something new or subtle on each viewing. Every character has its own version of depression and loneliness, and deals/or doesn't deal with it in their own way.

Anyone who goes into expecting robots and cute girls will end up being disappointed due to their simplistic tastes that they accrued from only watching Toonami.

....the show's about as subtle as a brick to the face. In the end it's a decent deconstruction of the Super Robot genre. Where a boy is given a super robot by a distant father figure and works together with his friends and mentor figure to save the day. Yes, there's some twists and turns along the way, but it largely boils down to monster of the week threatening the city.

And for all that....I quite enjoy it. The animation is cheap, the music uses a knock-off of the Little Nellie theme from You Only Live Twice, and it's a whole parade of awkward with the characters, with few escaping as someone you could look up to, or would like to meet...but neither of those is a pre-requisite for an interesting character.

I will say that EoE adds to this whole mix...but very rapidly takes away from itself with pretentious rubbish masquerading as something meaningful, and I maintain to this day that the film, complete with its filming of the death threat letters Anno received, is two things:

1. A gigantic troll to those who were upset with the TV ending and so wanted more. Liked characters are killed, flaws in characters are exaggerated, there is no redemption, no solution, everything is ramped to 11 with a middle finger aimed squarely at the viewer.

2. A way of bringing out those who demand greater meaning in the series. Anno himself has said that there's no real meaning to the Christian symbolism except "it looks cool". EoE does more of the same by wrapping a decent "bad ending" 45 minute ova up with a package of terrible overblown meaningless drivel.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
....the show's about as subtle as a brick to the face. In the end it's a decent deconstruction of the Super Robot genre. Where a boy is given a super robot by a distant father figure and works together with his friends and mentor figure to save the day. Yes, there's some twists and turns along the way, but it largely boils down to monster of the week threatening the city.

And for all that....I quite enjoy it. The animation is cheap, the music uses a knock-off of the Little Nellie theme from You Only Live Twice, and it's a whole parade of awkward with the characters, with few escaping as someone you could look up to, or would like to meet...but neither of those is a pre-requisite for an interesting character.

I will say that EoE adds to this whole mix...but very rapidly takes away from itself with pretentious rubbish masquerading as something meaningful, and I maintain to this day that the film, complete with its filming of the death threat letters Anno received, is two things:

1. A gigantic troll to those who were upset with the TV ending and so wanted more. Liked characters are killed, flaws in characters are exaggerated, there is no redemption, no solution, everything is ramped to 11 with a middle finger aimed squarely at the viewer.

2. A way of bringing out those who demand greater meaning in the series. Anno himself has said that there's no real meaning to the Christian symbolism except "it looks cool". EoE does more of the same by wrapping a decent "bad ending" 45 minute ova up with a package of terrible overblown meaningless drivel.

Did you watch a different EoE than me? It wraps things up rather nicely if you ask me and gives us an alternate version of the main shows ending where everyone just gave into the Human Instrumentality Project and what Seele wanted for humanity. And yes the show isn't subtle but that doesn't mean there isn't anything of value beneath the hood, in fact I'd say the show is rather well put together even when its creator was losing his mind and having a mental breakdown.

Also cheap animation? Shit son, NGE looks better than most animes these days by leaps and bounds. Just the city getting ready for an Angel attack was a work of beauty.
 

munchie64

Member
The second half of EoE is definitely not "meaningless drivel". It hits home the major psychological points from Shinji's perspective in a much more entertaining and well crafted way than the original series ending.

The expansion on the visual metaphors first encountered in the TV ending into a more cinematic presentation is quite fascinating in my mind.

Plus I'd say the ending is a relatively happy one when all is said and done, directly confronting and destroying the fear of human interaction present throughout the show.
 

MrChom

Member
Did you watch a different EoE than me? It wraps things up rather nicely if you ask me and gives us an alternate version of the main shows ending where everyone just gave into the Human Instrumentality Project and what Seele wanted for humanity. And yes the show isn't subtle but that doesn't mean there isn't anything of value beneath the hood, in fact I'd say the show is rather well put together even when its creator was losing his mind and having a mental breakdown.

Also cheap animation? Shit son, NGE looks better than most animes these days by leaps and bounds. Just the city getting ready for an Angel attack was a work of beauty.

Nope, I just disagree vehemently with the early 2000's internet consensus that EoE is a masterpiece. For anime cinema I'd easily put it in my top 5 most disappointing movies of all time (not worst, just the biggest differential between my expectation of enjoyment, and actual enjoyment).

As for cheap animation? Yeah, that's not up for debate. Eva did a lot with its budget but the back half of the series was running on fumes. A lot of footage was reused, and the entire reason for some of the scenes near the end with Shinji plonked on a chair being talked to was precisely because there was no budget left. In essence Eva had a more extreme version of One Punch Man syndrome. Lots of still frames, cut off mouths, characters you don't need to animate (ever wondered why Gendo sat like that, or why there were "Audio Only" monoliths?) so you can do fluid combat scenes. It's not even a stylistic choice given the almost total absence of many of these things from Rebuild so far.

Don't get me wrong, though, I actually like the series itself, and have the Platinum version on DVD....heck, I'd even buy the BRD version if it came out with English subs, but none of this erases its faults.
 
Fuck that pussy Shinji. Seriously. We need more guys like Kirito in anime. He gets shit done.

20130511222624


The face of a winner. And he wears black all the time, which shows he's broken but badass.

Talk about the opposite of what we need.
He's the dictionary definition of a Mary Sue. Errr, Gary Stu.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Nope, I just disagree vehemently with the early 2000's internet consensus that EoE is a masterpiece. For anime cinema I'd easily put it in my top 5 most disappointing movies of all time (not worst, just the biggest differential between my expectation of enjoyment, and actual enjoyment).

As for cheap animation? Yeah, that's not up for debate. Eva did a lot with its budget but the back half of the series was running on fumes. A lot of footage was reused, and the entire reason for some of the scenes near the end with Shinji plonked on a chair being talked to was precisely because there was no budget left. In essence Eva had a more extreme version of One Punch Man syndrome. Lots of still frames, cut off mouths, characters you don't need to animate (ever wondered why Gendo sat like that, or why there were "Audio Only" monoliths?) so you can do fluid combat scenes. It's not even a stylistic choice given the almost total absence of many of these things from Rebuild so far.

Don't get me wrong, though, I actually like the series itself, and have the Platinum version on DVD....heck, I'd even buy the BRD version if it came out with English subs, but none of this erases its faults.

I never said it was a masterpiece, those are your words. I said it wraps things up nicely and gives us a cool alternate ending as well as an excellent series of battles involving Asuka. Also yes they started reusing animation and what not towards the end but I STILL think it looks great. The design element was so damn strong with that show.
 

Redd

Member
Never got the hate for Shinji. So what if shit scared him. Most of the time he came through with the victory when others couldn't.

Lesser people would've just failed or died doing what he had to do day in and day out. Nothing wrong with being afraid.
 

MrChom

Member
I never said it was a masterpiece, those are your words. I said it wraps things up nicely and gives us a cool alternate ending as well as an excellent series of battles involving Asuka. Also yes they started reusing animation and what not towards the end but I STILL think it looks great. The design element was so damn strong with that show.

Oh I wasn't saying you called it a masterpiece, just explaining where my position comes from. I'm far too used to arguing with people who talked about the symbolism at every corner!

If you enjoy it then that's fine, and yes, it did have some interesting concept stuff going on which is why a lot of it was basically reused whole cloth for Rebuild (with a couple of changes where they had money to re-concept some of the more boring angels.

I'd disagree on it being cool as an alternate ending, but then I'm okay with the original TV version, so there's that, it's a preference thing at the end of the day.
 
Just finished the show and end of evangelion

starting with episode 16 or 17, i forgot, this becomes the biggest mess i've ever seen.

episode 25 and 26 is just a joke. then i read up why its a joke. so i understood.


afterwards i watched end of evangelion. cause apparently .... well.. i dont know why it was needed

that was 1.5h of bullshit. in the beginning of EoE I was like: "ok, not bad". but the fuck. the last 45 min it just gets worse and worse.

school days.

Neon Genesis Evangelion made me stop watching anime. I'm done.
Watch Cowboy Bebop if you haven't, it will get you back in. It starts off a bit slow but progresses well through 25 episodes and has one of the GOAT endings in any medium.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Oh I wasn't saying you called it a masterpiece, just explaining where my position comes from. I'm far too used to arguing with people who talked about the symbolism at every corner!

If you enjoy it then that's fine, and yes, it did have some interesting concept stuff going on which is why a lot of it was basically reused whole cloth for Rebuild (with a couple of changes where they had money to re-concept some of the more boring angels.

I'd disagree on it being cool as an alternate ending, but then I'm okay with the original TV version, so there's that, it's a preference thing at the end of the day.

I liked both endings honestly, they were different sides to the same coin.
 

Zocano

Member
I don't think I ever drank Tang in my life.

When I finished watching the show for the first time with some friends (+ EoE) I came off pretty "meh" on it. Still do, by the way. I can't point my finger on it but while I don't think it's bad (I can see the craft, care, and actual quality in it), I just don't care for it very much. The problem for me is that I can't figure out *why*. I think it's at least partly to do with struggling with very deep depression myself and it just becomes off putting to me at a certain point. There's something about the way the show handles and (attempts to) conclude struggles with depression that I just found annoying.

Also the visual imagery I just felt self masturbatory at a certain point (in End of Eva I mean). Like I get the point of some of it but a lot of it just fell flat to me.

I think another part of was the whole tone the show felt like it took towards its own "subtle" backstory/lore. Like it felt like "hey! look! it's a weird thing that you'll only figure out its meaning from digging around and multiple rewatches! Nothing will make sense right now because fuck you!". And I don't mean this about the weird esoteric metaphors but just the very alien way it approaches (or doesn't approach) explaining anything going on to the viewer. Again, I get the point of it. In a way we're supposed to be in shinji's shoes of 'we aren't supposed to know what's going on at all' on a first pass and that have different perspectives later. But something about it just felt so... annoying to me?

Again, I just don't really know what was off putting about it. I can't really explain it.

And this is coming from someone who loves David Lynch and think Eraserhead is a wonderful film.
 
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