gypsyOtoko
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I love me some pixel art but personally I think this looks hot for what it is.
New Algorithm to Depixilize Pixel Art is Magical.
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CountAntonius
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I am really wondering how well Third strike Online Edition's graphic filters will go over.
Slappers Only
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Looks gross.
Naked Snake
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Slappers Only said:
Yep.
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Why in the world would anyone think this trash looks magical?
BocoDragon
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Diehard pixel art purists get mad.
Diehard pixel art purists get mad.
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BocoDragon said:
I just don't understand how turning pixel art into amorphous splotches can be considered desirable and an improvement. If you want to update the old art, doing it by hand is the only acceptable way to go. It's not that I'm a fan of pixel art, it's just that everything else looks even worse, in my opinion.
Slamtastic
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Who cares how they "go over"?ARXIN said:
You'll be able to turn them off if you don't like them, use them if you do, and pick which one you like.
There's pixel art and there's pixel art. If I look at the best stuff that was developed in the last years of the SNES/early years of the PSOne, when 2D was still around - that stuff is still beautiful to me. But with older games, it could be interesting to see how you could change it with these algorithms. Say the old SD Snatcher from the MSX:
Could be it doesn't really work that well with really old games though.
Could be it doesn't really work that well with really old games though.
Slamtastic
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Well, that is worth complaining about.Aigis said:
But MvC2 is not one of those games, so I don't think 3SOE will be either.
fabricated backlash
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Raging Spaniard said:
Same here. I am intrigued by the tech behind it, but the results are just that: Interesting. They definetly are no substitutes or enhancement.
Tellaerin said:
Aye, it'd definitely be a "for the love of the art!" style thing, but very rarely does it ever seem to turn out exactly the same. I'd be great to see HD 2D hand drawn art that has the artistry of Capcom's D&D games...
Would be so good to see someone HD a sprite game accurately, to exactly what the original artist had in mind.
Eh, makes ya wonder what HD 2D arcade (as in, physical arcade) games would look like now-a-days. Since they always had artwork a step above what was on the home consoles.
CountAntonius
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It's been stated you can in 3 OE.Aigis said:
Slamtastic
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Err...BB and KoF. But I know you knew that already, so what's with the post?SAB CA said:
manzo
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Tain said:Hideous. People should instead be talking about the new MAME D3D9 HLSL filter, now part of official MAME.
HOOOOLY SHIT fapping at the speed of light! :O
That's identical to my 21" 4:3 BEKO with RGB Scart. :O
The luminance and CRT color convergence failures.. exactly what was missing from the normal scanline filters.
BocoDragon said:
I'm far from a diehard pixel purist. With the one exception of Mega Man, I prefer high-res sprites; even more blasphemously, I'd say I overall prefer 2.5D to sprites at all.
But I don't see the point of this filter. It looks better than other filters that try to make sprites high-res, but it still doesn't look good.
Slamtastic
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Instead it will be destroyed by stretching, because the graphics were not as pixelated on the original cabs as they will be on a modern TV.Aigis said:
*high five*KevinCow said:
Why does Megaman get to get away with the way Capcom has handled it? Why doesn't it deserve new, modern assets?KevinCow said:
Does a 2.5D supporter really believe there'd be a gameplay effect by not using the same NES stuff?
Perfectly fine at 1x maybe.Mr_Zombie said:
Slamtastic
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Maybe you with filters off on your CRT and me with the right filter on my HDTV will end up seeing the same thing.Aigis said:
Everybody wins when there are lots of options.
The Spoony Hou
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Shit.
To Far Away Times
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Eww, vomit filter.
bernardobri
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This one looks almost like concept art, to be honest.
Slamtastic said:
Well KoF's Characters aren't "Real HD" res, and BB's really lack in animation, in comparision. And then you have all the excuses (We needed 3D BGs for this, That hardware can't do this without excessive loading, home consoles don't have enough RAM for Pure HD 2D, etc), so I'm talking about if they actually got to build hardware to live up to the art they wanted to make. And if a large amount of designers still wanted to make that kinda art...
Tain said:
weird. so its replicating all the problems old CRT monitors used to have? So rather than trying to accurately reproduce the original art, its trying to accurately reproduce the shitty but rose-tinted experience you had when you were younger?
what next, a burn-in filter for rear projection games? lightgun aim un-calibration plugin? Daytona USA fucked manual gears option?
davepoobond
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its nice that they're making technology for this because that means they can scale the original pixels into hd resolution and it wont look like shit.
right?
right?
It's the best filter I've seen yet, but it's still wonky and inaccurate. The Mario World Dolphin has no real curvature to it's back, and the shine on it's nose is totally wrong.
If you absolutely MUST do something with pixel art - and I couldn't disagree more with that sentiment, seeing how beautiful pixel art can be - how about upscaling the sprite to double size, drawing in extra details at that size, then upscaling to the desired size with your filter? I don't think anybody has tried that yet and the extra detail might be enough to improve the end results considerably.
If you absolutely MUST do something with pixel art - and I couldn't disagree more with that sentiment, seeing how beautiful pixel art can be - how about upscaling the sprite to double size, drawing in extra details at that size, then upscaling to the desired size with your filter? I don't think anybody has tried that yet and the extra detail might be enough to improve the end results considerably.
mrklaw said:
No, it's faithfully reproducing the displays those graphics were designed to be viewed on. Nothing 'shitty but rose-tinted' about that experience - most games intended for use with medium-res CRT's still look damn good on those displays, but suffer on contemporary HDTV's and monitors. Things like scanlines and the softening effect of those old CRT's have a lot to do with that. It's not just a blind nostalgia thing.
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mrklaw said:
Bipubic filtering?
IamMattFox
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I actually really like the way Toad and Yoshi look with that filter.
To Far Away Times
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If "the contest" started today I would have lost right now.Tain said:Hideous. People should instead be talking about the new MAME D3D9 HLSL filter, now part of official MAME.
:Motorbass
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From a graphics designer standpoint, this is so amazing.
From a pixel lover's standpoint, this doesn't affect me.
From a gamer's standpoint, this could be helpful.
From a pixel lover's standpoint, this doesn't affect me.
From a gamer's standpoint, this could be helpful.
Tain said:
Awesome! I really love the filters most that attempt to approximate the original experience rather than make the graphics look more modern, and usually just stick with straight bilinear if nothing but HQx and SAI (etc.) are available. This is really gorgeous!
edit: As far as the thread specific filter, I think it's pretty cool tech! I'd love to see it implemented in something practical, just to see how it compares in motion, even if I'd likely stick with the more "classic" looking filters.
This is awesome. You really gotta be a clinger to not appreciate something like thit.
And you gotta be the equivalent of people who burn books on the streets in the medieval, if you are angered by this. I hope that a lot of games will use this, and I also hope that there will be an "I want to feel good about myself, let me switch it back to the older and worse look" option, even with games that were clearly designed to take advantage of this style
But that is the point! It DOES work, as clearly seen.
And you gotta be the equivalent of people who burn books on the streets in the medieval, if you are angered by this. I hope that a lot of games will use this, and I also hope that there will be an "I want to feel good about myself, let me switch it back to the older and worse look" option, even with games that were clearly designed to take advantage of this style
danmaku said:
But that is the point! It DOES work, as clearly seen.
Naked Snake
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mrklaw said:
Did you know that Pixar painstakingly programmed/added optical artifacts of traditional film cameras in Wall-E?
CG animation, by its nature, is free from these artifacts that film camera manufacturers have tried to minimize or eliminate for decades. Pixar artificially added them to their CG film to make to give it a "vintage" look. And it was awesome.
Necromanti
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Very interesting, but such filters are still of the devil. 2D art needs to be made smooth-looking to begin with, like Odin Sphere or other Vanillaware games. It can't be done so after the fact.
Regardless, it would be fun to try out.
Regardless, it would be fun to try out.
Necromanti said:Very interesting, but such filters are still of the devil. 2D art needs to be made smooth-looking to begin with, like Odin Sphere or other Vanillaware games. It can't be done so after the fact.
Regardless, it would be fun to try out.
Way I see it, this was designed to work with smaller sprites to begin with. In the examples in the OP, only one looks bad for my eyes, and that is the fighter sprite, which is BIG. The bigger the sprite, the worse result you get, because bigger resolution means more "aim" to have a lot of details. Details that are not needed and were clearly not present in the Yoshi/Toad sprites, for example.
So pixel art lovers can still worship 3rd Strike, and that algorithm could do nothing to make it look better, in fact it will look worse when applied - so all is awesome in pixel-lover world, because only the minimalist and little sprites will be improved by this : )
Nose Master
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Makes it look like 90's clipart. No thanks.