That said-Hellcat's CV2 issue was really good because of her dealing with what happened.
New dark & mopey She-Hulk ongoing starting in Dec.
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That said-Hellcat's CV2 issue was really good because of her dealing with what happened.
Lol this is false
Pai Pai Master
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No lies detected.
People don't buy those She Hulk books.
No lies detected.
SIGH. At the end of the day, the She-Hulk books we loved just didn't work for Marvel on a business level. When CW2 first launched, that was my first thought when we found out what happened to Jen. I mentally prepared myself. Marvel was giving up on her because as much as the fans enjoy her, they couldn't find a way to really make her work for everyone. She-Hulk was gonna die for sure.
I don't know any Marvel readers who actively hate She-Hulk so I thought that was such a huge missed opportunity. She wasn't some also-ran who was just taking up space in a crowded lineup. Her books bring something unique to the table and provide a pretty unique tone and sense of humor. Marvel has pushed way more comedy focused books recently, considerably more than they did when the Dan Slott run was a thing, and more high profile to boot.
I assumed She-Hulk's injuries would prove life threatening and that we wouldn't see her books anymore because they just did not fucking sell.
I know how this looks, because we never want to see them miss the point completely on a unique character like She-Hulk. But as mentioned they are building his story knowing full well what a She-Hulk book SHOULD be like. They're not saying that's wrong, but that it's not where She-Hulk is right now as a character. In addition, there probably isn't going to be another Slott-esque run any time soon. This isnt meant to sound defeatist, but it was either this or nothing for a new She-Hulk book. Id rather get this, knowing they want to make a solid character development arc and take her to new places, instead of just trying what's proven to fail before. They tried something a little different with Soule's run, but maybe they just want to try something with more character drama.
My hope is, even if the first arc is reflective of what's been going on with Jen lately, that they can eventually find a balance between the two sides and give us the best She-Hulk run yet.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Your gonna ignore how DC's Rebirth has been kicking their ass in sales each month? CWII, outside of the main book, has not been a great sales booster for all their titles.
Mr. Poolman
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Yeah.
Civil War II has been such a dissapointment. I even had to look if I forgot an issue, it seems nothing has happened in months.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I'll try any She-Hulk book, but I agree that doing a complete 180 seems like a bad idea.
Oh my godpeople always forget the best part
Escape Goat
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It fits for this character. Jen always got the better part of the Hulk deal. Hot and buff without the rage. She was a legal mind with the power to toss firetrucks around. Now she is (presumably) getting a taste of what its like to be Banner.
Spike Spiegel
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Could be interesting. A story about coping with depression and the upending of your world after a loved one is murdered by friends who betrayed you, and finding a way to get back to some semblance of normalcy, coupled with the fact you're a green-skinned, seven-foot tall superheroine lawyer. Might be a fresh approach for Jen provided the story doesn't dwell on her despair and sinking to the very lowest of the lows before building Jen back up, or ignores that Jen has an incredible support group that's built up around her in favor of "going it alone, watch me despair" edginess.
"She-Hulk grapples with real depression after personal loss, goes through the same things experienced by millions of sufferers but with a superhero twist" = would read.
"She-Hulk shaves her head, buys a motorcycle, hangs out in bars, generally is promiscuous and violent and angry at the world to hide her sadness" = no thanks.
"She-Hulk grapples with real depression after personal loss, goes through the same things experienced by millions of sufferers but with a superhero twist" = would read.
"She-Hulk shaves her head, buys a motorcycle, hangs out in bars, generally is promiscuous and violent and angry at the world to hide her sadness" = no thanks.
There has never been a worst time to say this
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Vision knows now not to ask Jen if she wants to catch the latest horror movie in theaters
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
I hate Mark Millar so much.
the moment i realized he wasnt worth shit
Solid SOAP
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I really like the cover and what it shows this could potentially be about. I'm not a comic reader really but this sounds awesome
At that point Vision is used to it, that was like his 4th or 5th body
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
For fucks sake.
As much as I love She-Hulk, it's pretty obvious that no one in Marvel's wheel house is interested in writing a story involving the law when literally every problem from the last arc is concluded with, "And then 'x' showed up, and the case was dismissed/settled/outright forgotten about".
The REAL problem with a dark mopey She-Hulk is that the end result destroys her character and her place in the marvel universe, which ends up with a run like the time she became a bounty hunter with that skrull woman who she maybe had a lesbian relationship with, and then she founded a female supergroup that literally fizzled into nothing. They've tried rebuilding her image and it just doesn't work because every reimagining they have for her is some real dull, real dumb, USA original movie bullshit because court cases aren't seen as exciting.
NipplesAndToes23
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So what would Hulk's book be called?
I'm still Amadeus Cho?
Amadeus's Cho's book is called the totally
Zen_Arcade
Banned
It'll probably stay as "Totally Awesome Hulk".
Or maybe they'll go back to Incredible.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Until Thor: Ragnarock at least.
Secret Fawful
Member
I think it looks fine, and it has a female creator on board so I'm interested.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah this is where I'm at. Happy Jen is getting a renewed push instead of just killed off and replaced.
It's an interesting setup and I'm not calling doom and gloom over the tone just yet. I'd rather have this than no She-Hulk.
exmachina64
Banned
BKatastrophe
Member
"Marvel never does anything interesting or new, and characters never develop in meaningful way."
"We're doing something new with She-Hulk that we feel will develop her in a meaningful way."
"NOT MY SHE-HULK!"
"We're doing something new with She-Hulk that we feel will develop her in a meaningful way."
"NOT MY SHE-HULK!"
my name is ed
Banned
Wait Mariko Tamaki is writing this? Dang, thats a good get for Marvel.
There are about 6 other characters at Marvel doing what She-Hulk does actually managing to sell books.
When She-Hulk got her recent solo and did what she traditionally does, she flopped.
I know, but they could just give Jen a break while some other heroines do her kind of thing. Her injury may have been a huge part of CWII, but when she gets better they could just have her go back to cameoing in comics like Hellcat for a short while instead of pushing the angst route.
I hope this actually pretty great, and I'm going to pick it up regardless (Both out of love of the character and to spite the droves of manchildren I saw get pissy about She-Hulk borrowing the "Hulk" title for a bit), but this doesn't seem like the right fit for the character. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though!
ElBoxyBrown
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There is an argument to wanting to explore a women's anger, especially all the stuff that's happened during CWII. It would be completely out of character for her to just go back to being happy Jen. We already have a bunch of happy female solo books. Let's get some angst with She-Hulk.
I hate Mark Millar so much.
I advice the both of you to read Huck. He hasn't done angst stuff in a long time.
Put her in the Squirrel Girl comic or back in the Patsy Walker comic then !
...those are seeling ? =x
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Hellcat is far from selling well.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
This is the best modern She-Hulk:
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Not that i'm jumping up and down for grey hot topic jen but ... seriously... this is what people like their She-Hulk to be?
Kay.
I hope she has a moment where she beats the snot out of someone/thing and halfway through starts turning more and more green cause she's not all dour and mopey anymore and is having a blast being a hero and saving lives. Something like that.
Nah, I like that She-Hulk will have her own main starring book again. She's a good IP that shouldn't be stuck only playing the 2nd fiddle 'foil' role to minor characters. Let her shine on her own with a little new direction and see what happens. I'm cautiously optimistic for this. Hopefully it'll be more than just a Savage She-Hulk retread.
Bear Force One
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BKatastrophe
Member
But then would that development for ger character matter? You would rather have her cameo as a lighthearted character whose decelopment regarding this major traumatizing even occur offpanel so that she can come back and cameo? All just because she should be lighthearted?
As far as I'm concerned, it would be a crime to not explore this arc. Plus it's not like Marvel hasn't been pushing her. This is a great way to explore a character a different light that she hasn't been looked at in. Plus, it's not like it'll be permanent.
Also Starlight
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
pass. im not giving him any more money
Emperor_EL
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As long as she beats the shit outta Clint I'll be happy. Hopefully whatever happens here is actually meaningful & actually sticks.
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