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New details on the alleged 2009 rape incident involving Cristiano Ronaldo

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It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

I hope there's a special place in hell for people like you.

When did de Spiegel release these articles??

Fyi ppl settlement doesn't assume guilt of innocence so lets stop drawing conclusions based on the articles info.

Out of curiosity...a case that has been settled can it ever be placed b4 a court in the future ?

Yes it was settled, which means it isn't 100% clear if he did it or not. Doesn't mean we can't make conclusions on the evidence that's there, which points more in the direction of Ronaldo being guilty here.
 
Yes it was settled, which means it isn't 100% clear if he did it or not. Doesn't mean we can't make conclusions on the evidence that's there, which points more in the direction of Ronaldo being guilty here.

How on earth do you figure that? As you said yourself, nothing is 100% clear so you can't really jump to a conclusion either way.
 

EmiPrime

Member
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Despicable display of brazen misogyny.

On ignore you go.
 
How on earth do you figure that? As you said yourself, nothing is 100% clear so you can't really jump to a conclusion either way.

Because of the conclusions of the rape kit she underwent? Because false rape allegations are extremely rare?

As I said, it's not 100% clear. But it definitely points in one direction here.
 
I hope there's a special place in hell for people like you.



Yes it was settled, which means it isn't 100% clear if he did it or not. Doesn't mean we can't make conclusions on the evidence that's there, which points more in the direction of Ronaldo being guilty here.
But that's just your opinion.
 
Because of the conclusions of the rape kit she underwent? Because false rape allegations are extremely rare?

As I said, it's not 100% clear. But it definitely points in one direction here.

I have no opinion one way or another for the exact reason you stated.

However, I would have to think the results of the test could have been the same if that particular sex act was consensual as well. So I'm not sure how anyone can reach any sort of conclusion based on that alone.
 
But that's just your opinion.

Omfg, yes, it's just my opinion. That I have based on how rare it is that someone fabricates rape allegations and the points in the article. I don't claim to absolutely know that Ronaldo is guilty here. I didn't claim it in my other posts.

I have no opinion one way or another for the exact reason you stated.

However, I would have to think the results of the test could have been the same if that particular sex act was consensual as well. So I'm not sure how anyone can reach any sort of conclusion based on that alone.

I didn't base it on that alone.

Because false rape allegations are extremely rare?

Is it so hard to understand the notion that after the allegation the rape victim should be believed first and foremost, since rape is incredibly underreported and rarely fabricated?

Or that I could still hold that notion after there was no prosecution, but instead a settlement, because the victim may not have wanted to go through the ordeal a full prosecution is?
 
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.
Ronaldo and Real Madrid fans show their true colours yet again. Franco would be proud.
 

John_B

Member
It's not 50 women coming forwards with similar detailed stories of sexual assault. It's impossible for anyone here to understand what happened between these two people. Surely there must be tons of people that got away with sexual assault and surely there are some people who got away with extortion or got someone wrongfully convicted. These are things that happen and not camps you should throw your support behind. It's a bit sad everyone always have to judge and publicly convict people from a small amount of information.
 
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.


Nobody knows what truly happened, yet you are quick to jump to conclusions using the 'victim' thing and also claiming that "all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire". Disgusting.
 

Akronis

Member
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

lol bye junior.
 
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.
"Rape 'victims'"

Go fuck yourself.
 

Pennywise

Member
I have no opinion one way or another for the exact reason you stated.

However, I would have to think the results of the test could have been the same if that particular sex act was consensual as well. So I'm not sure how anyone can reach any sort of conclusion based on that alone.

There are other factors.
Why would she write a letter a year later, if she was only after the money.

That letter would have never seen the light of the day, if it wasn't part of those leaks.
 
If somebody hurt me in a substantial way, and I didn't have much confidence in the justice system dealing with it and the process of using the justice system in itself was onerous in some ways to me, the victim, why wouldn't I say "fuck it" and take a large settlement?
 

Chmpocalypse

Blizzard
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

What in the actual fuck is wrong with you
 
Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

Except studies come to the conclusion that only between 2%-10% of filed rape accusations are fabricated and therefore believing the potential victim first is in this case definitely more valid than making claims about the intentions the victim possibly had if she were accusing him wrongly.
 

moggio

Banned
Are you saying Ronaldo is gay?

Hardly a secret is it? (Well, I mean, it is but you know...)

And it is possible for a gay man to rape a women, especially a deeply closeted one in a hyper heteromasculine sport where the treating women like sexual fuckballs isn't uncommon.

That's not to say I think he's necessarily guilty without further investigation.

I can't imagine this woman will be treated fairly or respectfully though, unfortunately.
 
Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

"you are part of the problem"

How can you say this without any irony

Also the false equilavence in the end of your post is just precious.
 

darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

The only thing disgusting in this thread is sitting in your mirror. Go take a look.
 
"Rape 'victims'"

Go fuck yourself.

Why are you telling me to go fuck myself?

The use of the quotation marks is to indicate that false rape claims exist. Again, i'm not saying that this woman is lying at all, I'm saying you shouldn't just take her word over christiano's word. What exactly is wrong with saying that?

Persecutions should 100% be based upon factual evidence at all times. People here don't seem to understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Put yourself in his shoes, just because he is a super-rich celebrity people think it is okay to completely dehumanise him.
 

TarNaru33

Banned
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

Spoken like a person who knows nothing. Majority of rape accusation and cases are legitimate. False rapes tend to be in the extreme minority.

Why are you telling me to go fuck myself?

The use of the quotation marks is to indicate that false rape claims exist. Again, i'm not saying that this woman is lying at all, I'm saying you shouldn't just take her word over christiano's word. What exactly is wrong with saying that?

Persecutions should 100% be based upon factual evidence at all times. People here don't seem to understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty.


Because the OPPOSITE is actually true; vast majority of the time the rape accusation is legitimate. Also many tend to NOT back the victim for whatever reason. Ever heard of the many stories of a family member/friend raping someone and instead of getting justice the rape victim gets suppressed? Well that actually happens more-so than people getting "duped" by a false rape claim.
 

EmiPrime

Member
Except studies come to the conclusion that only between 2%-10% of filed rape accusations are fabricated and therefore believing the potential victim first is in this case definitely more valid than making claims about the intentions the victim possibly had if she were accusing him wrongly.

As well as that, dropped accusations like this one are included in "false" allegation statistics, massively inflating them. From memory the correct (adjusted) figure is around 2-3% in the west which is on the low end for false accusations of crime.

As for why dropped accusations happen, there are a variety of reasons. An easy to understand one is marital rape whereby the victim doesn't pursue it because she is financially dependent on him and/or doesn't want the father of her children to be in prison.
 
Why are you telling me to go fuck myself?

The use of the quotation marks is to indicate that false rape claims exist. Again, i'm not saying that this woman is lying at all, I'm saying you shouldn't just take her word over christiano's word. What exactly is wrong with saying that?

Persecutions should 100% be based upon factual evidence at all times. People here don't seem to understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Put yourself in his shoes, just because he is a super-rich celebrity people think it is okay to completely dehumanise him.

I think it's the wording of your post. And it's setting people off. You may have meant something else but you implied all victims
 

Ishan

Junior Member
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

Dude lay off the male celebrity victimism yourself . This is a sensitive topic and while it is possible the woman is tryin to take advantage it is just as possible a woman was raped and traumatized have a fuckin heart even if both were 50/50 I'd choose comin to the woman's aid .

Plus this way too often women claim nonsense is just nonsense . you don't talk shit on someone who's lost someone close to them do you ? Similarly don't talk shit on possible rape victims
 

azyless

Member
As well as that, dropped accusations like this one are included in "false" allegation statistics, massively inflating them. From memory the correct (adjusted) figure is around 2-3% in the west which is on the low end for false accusations of crime.

As for why dropped accusations happen, there are a variety of reasons. An easy to understand one is marital rape whereby the victim doesn't pursue it because she is financially dependent on him and/or doesn't want the father of her children to be in prison.
Yeah, and that's a stat on filed rape accusations. That's like, 10% of rapes.
But hey let's believe the potential rapist, false accusations ruin lives, yada yada yada...
 

AnAnole

Member
Except studies come to the conclusion that only between 2%-10% of filed rape accusations are fabricated and therefore believing the potential victim first is in this case definitely more valid than making claims about the intentions the victim possibly had if she were accusing him wrongly.

2-10%.

I wonder how much that figure changes when the accused is exorbitantly rich.
 

Arkage

Banned
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.

The fuck is this soap box incoherent bullshit? "Nobody knows what truly happened" is ignoring the fact that a rape kit proved she was anally raped. Unless you're going to start claiming she wanted her anus lacerated. Are you now willing to throw out rape kit evidence as "inconclusive"? Well then maybe we should all just resign ourselves to women needing to film every sexual encounter they have to prove if it's rape or not, since the law is so shittily stacked against them.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
This thread is going to be a graveyard. I'm kind of astonished at how quickly and openly it went caveman.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
Yeah, and that's a stat on filed rape accusations. That's like, 10% of rapes.
But hey let's believe the potential rapist, false accusations ruin lives, yada yada yada...

2-10%.

I wonder how much that figure changes when the accused is exorbitantly rich.

While I agree such cases should be treated with almost always siding with the (alleged) victim . (Note my prior post on this just a few replies before)

I do however also realize that Celebs can be targets of this . So I wouldn't apply general populace stats to them .
 

TarNaru33

Banned
The fact that they exist is my point. Knowing this yet still taking sides (for either party) based on 0 evidence is what I find disgusting.

Your point is moot since its a very low percentage and again you started off saying people defending the victim are a/the problem. Makes no sense, since the most of the time a person does not file a rape claim because they are suppressed and not supported.

It is an uphill battle being a victim of rape against someone else, so it is generally better to support them, not throw them under saying "well, I don't think he did it". Because we do not know if he did or didn't but we also don't know if she lied or not.

As I said majority of the time it is legit, why would I focus on the low chance that she might be a person out for money?

While I agree such cases should be treated with almost always siding with the (alleged) victim . (Note my prior post on this just a few replies before)

I do however also realize that Celebs can be targets of this . So I wouldn't apply general populace stats to them .

Ignores the fact that celebrities would be the worst to try a false accusation on... You may win, you may lose, but your life will be a living hell during and a couple years after the process.
 

Seiniyta

Member
Regardless if it was consensual or not. I'm not sure drudging it up now by Der Spiegel is a good idea for all parties involved. I can totally imagine her not wanting to be in the spotlights again considering how often these people are treated by everyone. It wouldn't surprise me if she would get threats again etc because of this.

Although ideally justice should be served to him if it happened (although damming evidence I'm not going to make a conclusion based on it) I'm not sure she'd want to be reminded of it again, etc.
 
While I agree such cases should be treated with almost always siding with the (alleged) victim . (Note my prior post on this just a few replies before)

I do however also realize that Celebs can be targets of this . So I wouldn't apply general populace stats to them .

yeah I'm sure women are dying to falsely accuse a famous football player of rape and thus paint a big target on their backs for their thousands of millions of rabid fans
 
It's disgusting to see how many people will instantly jump to the womans defense just because she has labelled herself a victim, even when all the signs clearly point to her just wanting an easy payday from a multi-millionaire.

Rape 'victims' are given the benefit of the doubt way too often, this is not only a culture problem but it is a sexism problem. The amount of people instantly taking sides of the woman (after knowing nothing about what truly happened) is a stellar example of sexism.

The male is always guilty and females don't lie for personal gain apparently.

Edit: For those now chastising me for this post, you are likely part of the problem, my point is that nobody knows what truly happened nothing else, yet you are all jumping to conclusions due to sexist preconceptions. Christano could just as easily be the victim in this case, saying things like 'he probably doesn't know the meaning of no' is just as bad as blaming the 'victim'.
I'm guessing you sexually assaulted someone and were upset when people took the victim's side while you screamed 'you can't know what happened!!!'
 

EmiPrime

Member
Yeah, and that's a stat on filed rape accusations. That's like, 10% of rapes.
But hey let's believe the potential rapist, false accusations ruin lives, yada yada yada...

Spot on.

2-10%.

I wonder how much that figure changes when the accused is exorbitantly rich.

Yeah of course, women are everywhere, making false rape accusations (a crime with rock bottom conviction rates) against male celebrities who can afford the best lawyers and private investigators money can buy and have an army of fans who will doxx and make death threats for free. Totally worth ruining your life on an outside chance!
 
yeah I'm sure women are dying to falsely accuse a famous football player of rape and thus paint a big target on their backs for their thousands of millions of rabid fans

I mean just look at Bill Cosby he's in jail... oh wait no he's not.

And that's with what potentially upwards of 50 victims?
 
Why would he have paid at all if he committed no wrong doing?

That screams of the delusional Michael Jackson fans who believed he paid the hush money just to get the kids to go away.

Because a person of his position/stature has a lot to lose even from just an allegation of wrongdoing. Some would rather just make it go away. $350k is a paltry sum to someone Ronaldo. This is such a strange case because of the settlement and the fact that neither side will likely ever comment or elaborate on anything. It's left to float around in the court of public opinion.
 

azyless

Member
While I agree such cases should be treated with almost always siding with the (alleged) victim . (Note my prior post on this just a few replies before)

I do however also realize that Celebs can be targets of this . So I wouldn't apply general populace stats to them .
Why ? Who would want to go against famous rich people ? Seems to me like the chance of getting anything out of it would be pretty low, at the price of a complete invasion of privacy, doxxing, humiliation, mockery, etc.
Look at all the famous men who were accused of rape (sometimes even convicted !) and who are still living life, still being praised, hell some of them even become president of the USA apparently... so much for "rape allegations ruin lives". Doesn't take a genius to figure out that rape victims always have much more to lose than the famous people being accused here.
 

Ishan

Junior Member
Your point is moot since its a very low percentage and again you started off saying people defending the victim are a/the problem. Makes no sense, since the most of the time a person does not file a rape claim because they are suppressed and not supported.

It is an uphill battle being a victim of rape against someone else, so it is generally better to support them, not throw them under saying "well, I don't think he did it". Because we do not know if he did or didn't but we also don't know if she lied or not.

As I said majority of the time it is legit, why would I focus on the low chance that she might be a person out for money?



Ignores the fact that celebrities would be the worst to try a false accusation on... You may win, you may lose, but your life will be a living hell during and a couple years after the process.

yeah I'm sure women are dying to falsely accuse a famous football player of rape and thus paint a big target on their backs for their thousands of millions of rabid fans

Err if you can keep your full name out of it and yes it makes sense to make false accusations for monetary gains or even other reasons

Again given the details I've read I side with the woman . But I'm sayin this is a complex issue given the power dynamics as some have pointed out .
 
My mother was raped 25 years ago. The guy had been on a spree and the only two cases the DA would take to trial (out of several newer attacks) were my mother's and a young girl who was raped days later down the street from where my mother was attacked. The guy who assaulted my mother grabbed her walking home and shoved her in an abandoned building. For the next victim he broke into her house and attacked her but her brother came down stairs during the act, chased the guy off and waved down some cops while chasing the guy. The cops took part in the chase and one of them was slashed/stabbed by the perp. They couldn't find the weapon he used to attack the police so he was never charged with the assault on them. The women who's brother chased him off during the act? She had weed on her living room table so the defense was able to argue the rapist had paid her in weed for sex. Even her own brother was furious at trial and yelling at her in the courtroom (likely cause of how helpless he felt but still) the perps family would call her name's under their breath and sometimes shout out loud that she was a slut. She was vilified. The rapist was confident he was going to get off the charges but my mother, who was greatly traumatized stuck it out and because her part of the case (it was a shared prosecution) didn't have drugs involved was the only reason the rapist took the plea deal and even then he was only sentenced to 10 years. At that point I believe he was 19 and had already raped about 8 women that they knew of but had already gotten off of two charges.

My point in saying all this is that there's a very real reason why some women are reluctant to press charges. It's a life altering event as it is. Adding in the stress and victim shaming that comes from a trial (think about it this guy was caught red handed then stabbed police and still got off of all charges from the 2nd and the 2nd victim was the one made out to be a "slut") is enough to scare anyone.
 

Kid Ying

Member
While I agree such cases should be treated with almost always siding with the (alleged) victim . (Note my prior post on this just a few replies before)

I do however also realize that Celebs can be targets of this . So I wouldn't apply general populace stats to them .
I agree, but celebs also usually can do whatever they want and never finding justice, so the other side of the spectrum is also true.
 
Woman goes through the humiliating and painful experience of admitting she was raped and having trained professionals inspect her lacerated anus.

"Labelled herself a victim." "Stalker material."
 
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