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New GOP National Poll. 1st Place: Trump - 41%. 2nd Place: Carson - 12%.

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The one benefit of a Trump primary nod.

A fucking great Epic Rap Battle of History.

Donald Trump vs The Entire Nation.
 
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Phrozenflame500 said:
But.... he won't win. The GOP knows this, they'll go through hell and high water to avoid nominating him. That's what makes this so hilarious, the Republican establishment is being torn to shreds by the monster they created.
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Yep. They know what will happen if Trump wins the primary, it would be a golden gift to the Democrats.
 
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When will people start paying attention? Nate Silver said that after thanksgiving people will start paying attention and Trump will flop.
 
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The Republican Party…are we who thought they were.

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Glass Joe said:
Just a worthwhile note: These polls were conducted BEFORE his latest Muslim Ban rant.
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Sad part is they might have jumped higher due to that, and because humanity disappoints me all to often, its what I expect at this point.

edit: or they supposedly do include yesterday? Well, still sad.
 
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ISOM said:
Romney couldn't win with only the White vote and he was a lot more sane than Trump.
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Things have changed since 2012. People everywhere in the western world are more radicalized.

I know that if he doesn't turn things around with minorities he won't stand a chance but you never know.
 
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Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Tyreese Victoria said:
Too many Americans are treating this like a game, you all need to start taking responsibility for what is happening in US politics.

I don't want to see another person post

"Oh but he won't win the presidential election"

This kind of attitude is just making things worse and worse, and of us poor fucking people from the rest of the world have to watch as you all let it happen.
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*shrug*

Then don't watch. What exactly would you have the average American do to stop Trump from running for President? He is self funding his campaign, he gets media play for being ridiculous. The party that he is running for doesn't even like him. Are we supposed to arbitrarily ban him from running for President or...

Beyond voting for a more reasonable candidate, what exactly is my responsibility?
 
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Mimosa97 said:
Things have changed since 2012. People everywhere in the western world are more radicalized.

I know that if he doesn't turn things around with minorities he won't stand a chance but you never know.
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What do you mean you never know? You cannot win the WH with just the white vote anymore, that is a simple fact.
 
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Anyone doubting anymore that Trump will win the primaries? I mean he basically went full hatred yesterday and people seem to back him up, perhaps is the fear and the recent attacks but I doubt this fear will go away completely and Trump seems to be far more intelligent in managing his own campaign than what most people are willing to admit.
 
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Cerium said:
They include yesterday, when the comments were made.
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The week-long poll includes Dec 7th, but most of the polling would have been before. And actually didn't Trump make that press release yesterday in the afternoon? So it likely isn't included at all.
 
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Led_Zeppelin said:
Anyone doubting anymore that Trump will win the primaries? I mean he basically went full hatred yesterday and people seem to back him up, perhaps is the fear and the recent attacks but I doubt this fear will go away completely and Trump seems to be far more intelligent in managing his own campaign than what most people are willing to admit.
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Given that not a single vote has yet to be cast in the primaries, yes, I still doubt him.

Tyreese Victoria said:
Too many Americans are treating this like a game, you all need to start taking responsibility for what is happening in US politics.

I don't want to see another person post

"Oh but he won't win the presidential election"

This kind of attitude is just making things worse and worse, and of us poor fucking people from the rest of the world have to watch as you all let it happen.
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Sure thing, let me just push this button that ends racism.
 
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Mimosa97 said:
Things have changed since 2012. People everywhere in the western world are more radicalized.

I know that if he doesn't turn things around with minorities he won't stand a chance but you never know.
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Doesn't really matter if they're more radicalised, the white vote is a shrinking demographic, even compared to 2012. Every election it gets that much harder for a candidate solely relying on the white vote.

And if they're support base becomes more radicalised, its even more of a push factor for every other group to vote for someone else.
 
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danm999 said:
Doesn't really matter if they're more radicalised, the white vote is a shrinking demographic, even compared to 2012. Every election it gets that much harder for a candidate solely relying on the white vote.

And if they're support base becomes more radicalised, its even more of a push factor for every other group to vote for someone else.
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How is he doing among minorities compared to other Republicans (current candidates and past elections?) I heard somewhere that he's polling relatively well among blacks but was wondering if there was any data.
 
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"He's the hero GOP deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." - Lt. TheFlow
 
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Tyreese Victoria said:
Too many Americans are treating this like a game, you all need to start taking responsibility for what is happening in US politics.

I don't want to see another person post

"Oh but he won't win the presidential election"

This kind of attitude is just making things worse and worse, and of us poor fucking people from the rest of the world have to watch as you all let it happen.
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What do you want people to do, exactly?
 
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gutter_trash said:
in the general, Trump would do worse than Goldwater.
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I don't think he has a shot in the general barring something we can't know now like a big scandal for Hillary or major terror attacks.

But the electoral map has changed. This isn't Goldwater 1964. The Solid South had its last gasp electing lbj that year. We didn't have the sort of organized anti-government faction in the country like we do now.

Trump could carry many of the states that Romney did. I don't think he will be the nominee and if he were I think he would lose. But this is scary shit.
 
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HerbertBirdsfoot said:
I don't think he has a shot in the general barring something we can't know now like a big scandal for Hillary or major terror attacks.

But the electoral map has changed. This isn't Goldwater 1964. The Solid South had its last gasp electing lbj that year. We didn't have the sort of organized anti-government faction in the country like we do now.

Trump could carry many of the states that Romney did. I don't think he will be the nominee and if he were I think he would lose. But this is scary shit.
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No, no it is not scary. Do you not remember how badly Romney got his ass handed to him?

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206 to 332.
 
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King Tubby said:
Given that not a single vote has yet to be cast in the primaries, yes, I still doubt him.
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His entire campaign was "Wow outrageous statement #47 will definitely kill his campaign!" and so far the guy has been gaining momentum. Also the fact that he hasn't spend that much money on adds (since the media will give him full coverage thanks to outrageous comment #55)

I would say that he is escalating with his outrageous comments but this is a man that openly advocates for the creation of the great wall of America and says that all mexicans are rapist and drug dealers or mules so I don't know how far he can push being outrageous because since the start he was already off the charts. Unless people are completely trolling in this poll (and all the previous ones) and supporting Trump just to watch the world burn I don't see how such a clear lead wouldn't mean a win in the primaries.
 
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Glass Joe said:
How is he doing among minorities compared to other Republicans (current candidates and past elections?) I heard somewhere that he's polling relatively well among blacks but was wondering if there was any data.
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Most recent Latino vote I saw was an MSNBC poll that had him trailing Clinton by 42 points, and as for the Black vote I think he pulls in 25% in a poll I saw a couple months ago. Endorsing the roughing up of the BLM protestors might have an impact on that of course, if there's a more recent poll it may be different.

These are all single polls of course, not sure if anyone is aggregating them like others.

In terms of other current candidates, he's way less competitive with Latinos than Bush or Rubio, but even they don't quite edge out Clinton.
 
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Led_Zeppelin said:
His entire campaign was "Wow outrageous statement #47 will definitely kill his campaign!" and so far the guy has been gaining momentum. Also the fact that he hasn't spend that much money on adds (since the media will give him full coverage thanks to outrageous comment #55)

I would say that he is escalating with his outrageous comments but this is a man that openly advocates for the creation of the great wall of America and says that all mexicans are rapist and drug dealers or mules so I don't know how far he can push being outrageous because since the start he was already off the charts. Unless people are completely trolling in this poll (and all the previous ones) and supporting Trump just to watch the world burn I don't see how such a clear lead wouldn't mean a win in the primaries.
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Your assumption is that these polls reflect votes that will actually be cast in the primaries. Why? And why would lying in an attempt to troll be the only explanation for why not?
 
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KHarvey16 said:
Your assumption is that these polls reflect votes that will actually be cast in the primaries. Why? And why would lying in an attempt to troll be the only explanation for why not?
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There's this thing called the Jones effect or the sheep effect. These polls may not be representative, but people constantly seeing Trump topping the polls and being by far the most recognisable candidate will certainly have some effect.

In many ways i'm expecting it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
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And folks wonder why I question the character of anyone associated with that party.

I can at least understand wanting smaller govt, tax cuts, etc. Really, I do.

But I do not understand the willingness to sell-out the humanity of others in order to reach those policy goals.
 
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danm999 said:
Most recent Latino vote I saw was an MSNBC poll that had him trailing Clinton by 42 points, and as for the Black vote I think he pulls in 25% in a poll I saw a couple months ago. Endorsing the roughing up of the BLM protestors might have an impact on that of course, if there's a more recent poll it may be different.

These are all single polls of course, not sure if anyone is aggregating them like others.

In terms of other current candidates, he's way less competitive with Latinos than Bush or Rubio, but even they don't quite edge out Clinton.
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Thanks for the info. I'd say it's a given that he's way less competitive among Latinos, but I keep people here saying minorities in general. Was just wondering if there was hard data. And 25% among African Americans would be pretty high, considering Romney pulled in what? 6%?
 
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HerbertBirdsfoot said:
Donald Trump losing with that map would still be something difficult to see. It would say something pretty deeply negative about the nation.
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Ok...you do realize that there are certain states that are a lock for Republicans and Democrats and that the Republicans have a lock on roughly 191 electoral votes. It wouldn't say anything about the nation as a whole if he won the Republican states.
 
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