Rogue_Ledr
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Dude, it aint that big of a deal to just press a button.
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New Killzone: Shadow Fall gameplay
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Dude, it aint that big of a deal to just press a button.
Because there is nothing about the hardware that would be foreign to any quality studio, including DICE. You can believe the PR these companies feed us, but the only real advantage GG would have over DICE (other than the varying levels of skills and resources) is the convenience of working on only one platform versus five. To play Devil's advocate, one could even argue that DICE has the advantage of the two since they have more experience working with AMD DX11.1 cards. (Not that I believe this is the case).
ChronotriggerJM
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Huh no it wouldn't, unless the rope is compeltely loose which makes it rather useless.
So if you're now switching to gameplay arguments, a zipline is a quick and safe way to travel from A to B without any potential for a fuck up at all.
NoirVisage
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ChronotriggerJM
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I dunno, seems better than being able to just shoot everything and win :/
Some possible advantages for GG:
1. They received dev kits first.
2. They get the updated dev kits first (8GB upgrade).
3. Doesn't WWS have ICE team whose sole purpose is to get the most out of the hardware and share it with the studios?
I'm assuming there are first party advantages, here. Not saying that Guerilla is a more knowledgeable developer, just that they have a distinct advantage.
NoirVisage
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exactly. He just discovered options! :O
Acquiescence
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Yeah really, they should keep it simple. Shoot at enemy with gun to win. Who wants options?
velociraptor
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I think the inclusion of the OWL in this game sounds pretty cool, as it can open up new gameplay scenarios. But the video was stupid - the player was spamming the same shit over and over again without much effort. The tight gunplay of Killzone 2 and 3 seems to be all gone.
I really hope they give more recoil to the guns. This same SMG in all the footage seems like it has none but maybe other guns do. I'm also hoping this demo is on Easy, which is why the enemies look braindead.
I really think the E3 demo was thrown together at the last minute just to show off the more open environments and OWL. Parts of it look far rougher than the E3 reveal. I'm looking forward to the game but I hope GG doesn't stretch themselves too thin to try to get it out for launch.
ChronotriggerJM
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That's assuming you've got access to the OWL at all times. The February reveal showed amazing gameplay that's par for the franchise.
rosaceadude2112
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when all the options are win, there are effectively no options
velociraptor
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Apparently the game is virtually complete.
That metric is kind of meaningless. It just means base level design was done. I remember Halo ODST reported the same thing a year before launch. There's a ton of gameplay, mechanics, and visual tweaking to be done after that point.
shinobi602
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...you want options to fail instead?
Like Batman?
XOMTOR
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Thanks for the higher quality footage OP. Unfortunately, I'm still not feeling it with this trailer. I loved KZ2 (still play it often) and Liberation but after KZ3, my faith in GG has been taken down a few notches.
After watching the footage a bit more closely this time around, I can see where the AI comments come from; I sincerely hope it's just a case of it being played on the easiest difficulty and that the player is rather poor at FPS's. It also reminds me a bit of Crysis which I also loved but I can't say I'm excited to see in my Killzone. Not digging the Owl bot thingy with the zip-line, the slow-mo or being able to scan the environment and track enemies through walls; seems out of place. Feels very nanosuit-ish or maybe it's just me.
Regardless, as long as they get the MP in order, I couldn't give a shit about the SP campaign but after KZ3's multi, I'll reserve judgement.
After watching the footage a bit more closely this time around, I can see where the AI comments come from; I sincerely hope it's just a case of it being played on the easiest difficulty and that the player is rather poor at FPS's. It also reminds me a bit of Crysis which I also loved but I can't say I'm excited to see in my Killzone. Not digging the Owl bot thingy with the zip-line, the slow-mo or being able to scan the environment and track enemies through walls; seems out of place. Feels very nanosuit-ish or maybe it's just me.
Regardless, as long as they get the MP in order, I couldn't give a shit about the SP campaign but after KZ3's multi, I'll reserve judgement.
BigTnaples
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Silence fool.
Lack of OBMB is one of the reasons Killzone 2 looks better overall than Killzone 3 in many areas.
rosaceadude2112
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well yeah. challenge in games is based on choice and consequence. i'm seeing plenty of the former but none of the latter. it looks like(looks like, the finished product might be better) you've got a million and one things in your arsenal and the helghast are just content to let you blast them with everything and take it. are there any limits on anything? do enemies have a way of countering your methods? or is this just a game where you can see people through walls, send your robot to shoot them, shoot them yourself in slow motion and then stab them before they even notice you?
GuitarAtomik
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I don't know. I like the drone stuff and the grappling hook but this is a pretty unexciting demo. The AI looks really dumb too.
The reason why the Hellgast always loose. Their chief war engineer thought that having stadium projectors in their eyes wont give away their positions away... ever.
Would be really entertaining to see these guys trying to successfully do a Sam Fisher like stealth operation during night time.
The see through walls is very limited, at least. The scanner overheats after three seconds and makes a loud sound that alerts all of the enemies in the vicinity.
Its a demo,they're meant to be easy. All of your complaints go away if the actual release has superior AI (read: higher difficulty) and the OWL has cool downs or other penalties (like the enemy alert RoboPlato mentioned).
ChronotriggerJM
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Did you ever play Halo 3?
You can jump like 50 feet in the air, but holy crap dat brisk walk.rosaceadude2112
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to be fair, cooldowns are lame.
This is pretty nitpicky but it's a pet peeve I have in FPS. The hip fire position of the gun looks like it's pointing too far to the left. Even more annoying, the February demo didn't have it like that. I liked the Feb position better. In the Killzone games I could always tell where the bullets were going to hit even from hipfiring because of the onscreen gun position and now it looks like they've messed that up. The angle of the Feb demo held at the lower position of the E3 demo would be perfect.
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UnluckyKate
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They also changed the optic ?
Facism
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I'm really hoping all the ADS to kill a guy 2 metres infront of you is just the player being conditioned to do it rather than actually being necessary because shoulderfire is nerfed out the ass.
Looks really nice, though.
@robo, killzone games have always had the weapons shoulder-rested, never hip.
Looks really nice, though.
@robo, killzone games have always had the weapons shoulder-rested, never hip.
Yeah but that I like. The gun looks like it's a different material too.
When you're creating your own challenges and obstacles in a game, you're no longer playing or enjoying the game for what it is. The purpose of inherent challenges is so that you don't feel like you can simply use this or that or go there, etc, to get past an obstacle, you have to practice and improve. You're stuck until you do. That's the most basic element of a challenge, and by creating imaginary rules and boundaries you're totally in control of that, not the game. It means that playing the game is pointless, basically, since games need to have a challenge of some kind.
SniperHunter
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in terms of gameplay I liked the first trailer A LOT more than this trailer. This level design looks like pure ass...something you might find in Crysis 2 or Crysis 3. Not much room for exploration or strategy, just three different objectives close together. I dunoo
I guess so but I like the previous games' and the February demos angle better. It's a real pet peeve for me in FPS to look like the guns are aiming too far to the left. Annoyed the crap out of me in Rage.
There are actually several more objectives that are more spread out in this trailer. The locations that we've been seeing are just the ones the players have been guided too to demonstrate certain abilities and to avoid crashes.
I love kilzone series and was so hyped after watching initial reveal but this trailer looks very disappointing. Things missing which were present in previous games are,
-Good enemy AI
-Thick red blood
-Enemy hit detection
-Superb animation
-Destruction. just look at when he throws grenade beautiful smoke with few particles nothing else
Also the jungle area look very strange. even the unreal jungle in 3 was better.also vegetation seems like its lifted straight from ps2 era even mgs3 had better vegetation. ? also i don't like owl. it just seems to exist to differentiate killzone from other run of the mil shooters
-Good enemy AI
-Thick red blood
-Enemy hit detection
-Superb animation
-Destruction. just look at when he throws grenade beautiful smoke with few particles nothing else
Also the jungle area look very strange. even the unreal jungle in 3 was better.also vegetation seems like its lifted straight from ps2 era even mgs3 had better vegetation. ? also i don't like owl. it just seems to exist to differentiate killzone from other run of the mil shooters
Dictator93
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I just want to mention how much I agree with this post.
Also, where did that bottom more recent screen come from? (AKA.. the non-bullshot)
Clinton514
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The reason why the Hellgast always loose. Their chief war engineer thought that having stadium projectors in their eyes wont give away their positions away... ever.
Would be really entertaining to see these guys trying to successfully do a Sam Fisher like stealth operation during night time.
When their Scouts go into invisible mode, their goggles aren't showing. But they need to tone down the lighting on these ones just a little more.
TheLaughingStock
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What did GG do in Killzone that leads you to believe they are more adept? There's no gulf in programming skill. You cannot assume the most advanced lighting, shaders, destruction, physics, animation, scale, and so on will be present because Sony owns the IP. Unless GG can swoop in and make GTA IV or Crysis look and run better on PS3 because they know it all and 3rd parties are noobs, then no you shouldn't be surprised that DICE can match or exceed their work.
I just found it on a quick google search.
I explained in a later post above. Aren't there benefits to being a first party developer in a console launch? At the very least, they probably have had more time with the dev kits. I didn't mean to say they are better programmers in general. I meant that I would think they have an advantage since it is new hardware and I'm assuming they had early access.
TrojanBlade
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yep pretty much this...compared the grenades from KZ2 and this one...there is no impact or destruction...just look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb1uuU0N4RM
man even now KZ2 looks amazing
Allonym
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The weapons are MODULAR. We've seen 3 different scopes as of today.