New Nintendo Announcements another setback for the company...

Teddman said:
Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Paper Mario, Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine, upcoming Mario Baseball etc. and then about a dozen more on GBA.

You know what I meant; the man's getting tired.
Yes, because tennis = golf = 2 party games = RPG game = racer = platformer = baseball.

How many Need for Speed games have we seen this gen? The Sims? Burnouts? Mega Mans? Resident Evils? Conflict games? Tom Clancy games? Grand Theft Autos? I'm not going to even touch Madden, NHL, NCAA, and all the other EA sports games.

The games sell well, most of the Mario games are good to great in quality, and if you don't like them don't buy them. Slumping sales will show Nintendo it's time to do something else. But until Mario's popularity slows, we are going to see more Mario games.
 
Teddman said:
Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Paper Mario, Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine, upcoming Mario Baseball etc. and then about a dozen more on GBA.

You know what I meant; the man's getting tired.

but i don't see them as real "mario games" as in super mario 3, Super mario 64. You know what I mean. Those you listed are either sports or party games with mario and his pal involved. I want a new Mario adventure dammit.


Funny how People start to speak about setbacks for Nintendo when they drop some pretty big news, and 4-5 new titles announced.
 
WTH is wrong with Nintendo fans? It's like they live in their own little Mario world. One in which the sky is clear blue and all the colors are bright and vibrant.

Can you not see the harm in not appealling to NON-Nintendo fans. Yes, you are all happy they're giving you game 189 with Mario in it because you "know" it'll have great gameplay. But what about the other 80%+ of the market that they don't possess? Generic game 189 with Mario in it will not appeall to them. I'M SORRY!

Another thing. Please stop bringing up Pikmin and Animal Crossing! For crying out loud, those games are causing more harm to Nintendo than good. They're only reinforcing the negative stereotype of Nintendo with the whole "kiddy" thing! Do you not want Nintendo to be a dominant player in the videogame bausiness?

With GTA, Halo, GT, Splinter Cell, and games like this dominating the market, Pikmin is going to put Nintendo back on the map? I mean even platformers nowadays are not cute and cuddly.

Get over yourselves men! Take off the goggles. Smell the roses!
 
D'ultimate said:
WTH is wrong with Nintendo fans? It's like they live in their own little Mario world. One in which the sky is clear blue and all the colors are bright and vibrant.

Can you not see the harm in not appealling to NON-Nintendo fans. Yes, you are all happy they're giving you game 189 with Mario in it because you "know" it'll have great gameplay. But what about the other 80%+ of the market that they don't possess? Generic game 189 with Mario in it will not appeall to them. I'M SORRY!

Another thing. Please stop bringing up Pikmin and Animal Crossing! For crying out loud, those games are causing more harm to Nintendo than good. They're only reinforcing the negative stereotype of Nintendo with the whole "kiddy" thing! Do you not want Nintendo to be a dominant player in the videogame bausiness?

With GTA, Halo, GT, Splinter Cell, and games like this dominating the market, Pikmin is going to put Nintendo back on the map? I mean even platformers nowadays are not cute and cuddly.

Get over yourselves men! Take off the goggles. Smell the roses!


So are games with great gameplay (such as pikmin and animal crossing) doing harm to the industri?


I have heard some pretty dumb things, but that takes the cake.
 
D'ultimate said:
WTH is wrong with Nintendo fans? It's like they live in their own little Mario world. One in which the sky is clear blue and all the colors are bright and vibrant.

Can you not see the harm in not appealling to NON-Nintendo fans. Yes, you are all happy they're giving you game 189 with Mario in it because you "know" it'll have great gameplay. But what about the other 80%+ of the market that they don't possess? Generic game 189 with Mario in it will not appeall to them. I'M SORRY!

Another thing. Please stop bringing up Pikmin and Animal Crossing! For crying out loud, those games are causing more harm to Nintendo than good. They're only reinforcing the negative stereotype of Nintendo with the whole "kiddy" thing! Do you not want Nintendo to be a dominant player in the videogame bausiness?

With GTA, Halo, GT, Splinter Cell, and games like this dominating the market, Pikmin is going to put Nintendo back on the map? I mean even platformers nowadays are not cute and cuddly.

Get over yourselves men! Take off the goggles. Smell the roses!

This post proves my point earlier.
 
New charachter innovation is a part of the overall game innovation, and the thread starter has a valid point even if it wasn't quite worded a bit more clear.
 
Teddman said:
Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, Paper Mario, Mario Kart: DD, Mario Sunshine, upcoming Mario Baseball etc. and then about a dozen more on GBA.

You know what I meant; the man's getting tired.


:lol

They're worse than Capcom when it comes to milking (across GBA, DS and GC)
 
Okay...I'd say the Mario Party titles are quickly becoming milking, using the same basic game and simply swapping out the minigames and adding a new gimmick each year.

But the rest of it? Plenty of time between Mario Kart titles, Golf/Tennis came a good time after their predecessors, Paper Mario's sequel had a large gap, Mario Sunshine was a new platformer, and Mario Baseball is starting a new Sports franchise with the character.

They're using a character to provide a variety of game types in order to appeal to the audience they currently have with the system. Nintendo wants to sell software, and this is how they're choosing to do it.
 
So are games with great gameplay (such as pikmin and animal crossing) doing harm to the industri?

The're doing harm to Nintendo! These same games could have great gameplay without the cute and cuddly image. What about characters like Jak, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Psychonauts for example. SOMETHING!
 
D'ultimate said:
The're doing harm to Nintendo! These same games could have great gameplay without the cute and cuddly image. What about characters like Jak, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Psychonauts for example. SOMETHING!

Whatever junior member. Go and play with your "grown up" games then.
 
D'ultimate said:
WTH is wrong with Nintendo fans? It's like they live in their own little Mario world. One in which the sky is clear blue and all the colors are bright and vibrant.

yes, yes we do, and you should hear the pikmin sing!

D'ultimate said:
Can you not see the harm in not appealling to NON-Nintendo fans. Yes, you are all happy they're giving you game 189 with Mario in it because you "know" it'll have great gameplay. But what about the other 80%+ of the market that they don't possess? Generic game 189 with Mario in it will not appeall to them. I'M SORRY!

So? As long as nintendo can profitably cater the remaining 20% of the market, i'm happy. The other companies can fight with for other 80% with their next installmant in the IdiotRacer-franchise, or whatever the mainstream likes nowadays.

D'ultimate said:
Another thing. Please stop bringing up Pikmin and Animal Crossing! For crying out loud, those games are causing more harm to Nintendo than good. They're only reinforcing the negative stereotype of Nintendo with the whole "kiddy" thing! Do you not want Nintendo to be a dominant player in the videogame bausiness?

i'm sorry, but my happiness isn't correlated with nintendo's marketshare.

D'ultimate said:
With GTA, Halo, GT, Splinter Cell, and games like this dominating the market, Pikmin is going to put Nintendo back on the map? I mean even platformers nowadays are not cute and cuddly.

I doubt if the splinter cell franchises will still be around in ten years. I know the mario franchise will be.

D'ultimate said:
Get over yourselves men! Take off the goggles. Smell the roses!

but roses smell sweet!

It might sound a little strange coming from me, being a junior memeber and all, but what's with all the junior members? Don't they know that we passed the nintendo-is-doomed-omg-they-should-be-more-mature-phase over a year ago and outsourced all our nintendohating to the likes of drohne, MAF and demon master J. And they doing a fine job indeed, so no need for your doomedbusiness overhere sonny.
 
D'ultimate said:
The're doing harm to Nintendo! These same games could have great gameplay without the cute and cuddly image. What about characters like Jak, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Psychonauts for example. SOMETHING!

But they'd lose their charm. Animal Crossing doesn't have great gameplay; at all. It's great because it's charming, cute and cuddly. It has you doing the most simple of tasks and enjoying it. It isn't for everyone, but stripping it of its charm strips it of life.

The same for Pikmin. It's a game about an astronaut who crash lands on a planet and has to use tiny little creatures to do his bidding in order to fix his ship and fly back into orbit.

NEITHER of those two games would be the same without the cute and cuddly image. The two games are good because of overall presentation, not just the gameplay involved.

So crawl into a hole and get killed by a Bulborb...who will then organize his furniture around your corpse.
 
I would have more of a problem with the entire milking process if Nintendo didn't usually bring something new to the table.

What I DO have a problem with is the Mario franchise, not because of the extracurricular games but simply because it's about damn time we get a REAL, NEW Mario adventure. 2D, 3D, I don't care, but there's been one since 1996, and about 4 Nintendo systems released since then. That's my biggest complaint with Nintendo.
 
Let me try this another way. I'm not against Pikmin or Animal Crossing per say. I'm against the people that keep bringing them up as evidence that Nintendo introduces new IP. As if those games are saviours. Yes they did introduce those game but those are not helping them. Why not introduce those AND a "IdiotRacer-franchise, or whatever the mainstream likes nowadays." Instead they choose to introduce Generic Baseball Game X-Now starring Mario.

It's ok though. Nintendo, like it's fans, are stubborn to a fault. In the end they both will suffer for it.

BTW, just because I'm a Junior Member doesn't make my opinion any less insightful or important. Just as yours didn't when you were a JM. I've been around GA Forums since 99-00 and I'm on here everyday. I just don't post in every thread, every day like yourself. :-p
 
Gchaime said:
i'm sorry, but my happiness isn't correlated with nintendo's marketshare.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Nintendo is a big company, they can take care of themselves. As long as they make games I like, why should I care whether they are ruling the industry or are left in its wake? Now if you don't like Nintendo's games, that's fine! There are things to dislike about them and that opinion is understandable. Even as a fan of theirs in general, Nintendo frustrates me with some of their decisions and products. Justifying that criticism by decreasing sales is lame though, especially since Nintendo probably still sells more games than your favored company. If you like Nintendo games and still want them to radically change the types of games they make, I don't know what to say. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Playing armchair CEO can be fun, but some of y'all take this way too seriously. That includes the trolls, the trolled, and the people writing earnest 5000 word essays on the topic.
 
D'ultimate said:
The're doing harm to Nintendo! These same games could have great gameplay without the cute and cuddly image. What about characters like Jak, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Psychonauts for example. SOMETHING!

Psychonauts?! Psychonauts!!!?? If anything that game shows, is schaffer better stick to point and click adventure games.
 
If someone can come up with a way to show the mass market how fuckin' awesome Pikmin is, then we'll get more teh new stuffs.

I've managed to get like 8 people to buy Pikmin, years after is release they never knew what it was.

I hate a company that milks a product as the next guy but:
Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, ect. were all new to me.
 
NWO said:
If your going to make a new franchise you DO NOT launch it near the end of the console but instead near the beginning of it to give it some exposure and incase it becomes a "hot" game.

Just imagine if Halo launched now instead of being a launch title for the Xbox. You wouldn't be able to make a sequel to it and all the momentum of it being hot would be killed by the next console coming out.

This logic is so flawed that it isn't even funny.

Who cares about making a new franchise? That's like putting the cart in front of the horse. What happened to the art of making a great game? That's what I think is important as a consumer.

Sure, it's nice to see a game turn out so well and become so popular that one or more sequels are made as a result. But, each game should be made with the intent that it, in and of itself, is the complete experience.

I remember reading an interview with Naughty Dog, where they said they design each and every game thinking that there's always the possibility it could end up being an utter flop in the market. If there's a storyline involved, the could stand on its own without needing some teaser "cliffhanger" ending, so that the few people who did enjoy the game would be fulfilled in knowing that the story could satisfactorily end right there. Thankfully, all of the seven games they've released since 1996 have been extremely high quality, and none have flopped. :)

With all of that in mind, I don't see the fact that the GameCube is over three years old as being any sort of excuse for Nintendo to throw all concept of originality out the window. I do see that PlayStation 2 and X-Box aren't any younger (in the US, at least), and this isn't preventing owners of those systems from being treated to potential A-class games like God of War or Jade Empire.

If Nintendo is merely content to pop out cookie-cutter Mario games ad hominem because the hardware is old, then it sends a message that they think they've already "lost" this generation, and don't feel that they need to "try hard" to draw new people in anymore. It also sends the message that they are a company that is stuck in the past, and has no ability to grow, adapt, and change in response to consumer demand. This will surely be fresh in people's minds when the new systems come out in a year or two.

Remember, a video game system is only as good as its games.

NWO said:
And another thing why do people want "new" titles from Nintendo but in these Xenon threads all people do is gush over the fact that they want to see Halo, DOA, Perfect Dark, PGR, NG, Conker, Banjo, MA, and all of the other well known franchises on the XBox. Nobody bitches about them needing to make new franchises infact people don't even bring that up at all.

Why not? As I said earlier, if a game turns out very well and becomes popular, then people hope that they'll have a sequel. They want a new Halo or a new Project Gotham Racing because that's what they enjoyed before, and they've become proven properties as a result. But, I'd guess they also don't want to see Halo Tennis or Project Gotham Go-Karts, because then that would obviously be an attempt at a quick money grab, and would be deleterious to the image and integrity of the game universe that the original developers intended.

If:

A. Nintendo's long list of proven franchise characters are eminently recognizable, and

B. Nintendo's games are good regardless of what characters appear in them

Then, pray tell, why aren't we seeing Star Fox Tennis or Zelda Kart?
 
D'ultimate said:
WTH is wrong with Nintendo fans? It's like they live in their own little Mario world. One in which the sky is clear blue and all the colors are bright and vibrant.

Can you not see the harm in not appealling to NON-Nintendo fans. Yes, you are all happy they're giving you game 189 with Mario in it because you "know" it'll have great gameplay. But what about the other 80%+ of the market that they don't possess? Generic game 189 with Mario in it will not appeall to them. I'M SORRY!

Another thing. Please stop bringing up Pikmin and Animal Crossing! For crying out loud, those games are causing more harm to Nintendo than good. They're only reinforcing the negative stereotype of Nintendo with the whole "kiddy" thing! Do you not want Nintendo to be a dominant player in the videogame bausiness?

With GTA, Halo, GT, Splinter Cell, and games like this dominating the market, Pikmin is going to put Nintendo back on the map? I mean even platformers nowadays are not cute and cuddly.

Get over yourselves men! Take off the goggles. Smell the roses!


You sigle-handedly have made me see the light. What's popular is best! I bet your Avril Lavigne CD's sound great about now!

Get over yourself, indeed!

</Goes back to great games without worry of what other people are buying.> :lol
 
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