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God please don't suck like all the new albums made by every damn artist from that era
God please don't suck like all the new albums made by every damn artist from that era
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New Portishead album in the work!
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Trakball said:
Dummy, Blue Lines, and Mezzanine is pretty much all the trip-hop one would ever need, though I do love the first two Sneaker Pimps records a fair bit.
This should be interesting, though... I also disliked the self-titled record a fair bit (but a lot of people seem to prefer that one) so I'm cautiously optimistic. A good trip-hop record would be glorious, but goddammit, let's not see another should've-been-aborted travesty a la 100th Window.
Lambtron said:Dummy, Blue Lines, and Mezzanine is pretty much all the trip-hop one would ever need, though I do love the first two Sneaker Pimps records a fair bit.
This should be interesting, though... I also disliked the self-titled record a fair bit (but a lot of people seem to prefer that one) so I'm cautiously optimistic. A good trip-hop record would be glorious, but goddammit, let's not see another should've-been-aborted travesty a la 100th Window.
Take out Mezzanine and put this in:
Trakball said:Take out Mezzanine and put this in:
Really good, but overrated as fuck in my opinion, though "Building Steam From a Grain of Salt" is superduper hot. I ilke Deadringer by Rjd2 way more.
And besides, I'd remove Blue Lines before I'd remove the crushing Mezzanine. Those first 4 tracks is about the greatest opening volley to any album, all time, it's pretty ridiculous.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU BLASHPHEMER!
No just kidding, I like RJ too. But he's totally a Shadow worshipper, right down to the fact that he stole the same drums Shadow used at the beginning of "In/Flux" for his "Chicken-Bone Circuit". And just the fact that it's called "Deadringer"... but, yeah. He's okay. Great cover art.
Too bad "Since We Last Spoke" was kinda lame. Between Shadow and RJD2, I think RJ had the more disappointing sophmore album.
Ah, not for me. "Blue Lines" kinda changed how I felt about this whole "hip-hop" thing. (I didn't know it would be known as "Trip Hop" years later) That ENTIRE album is amazing. To me, Mezzanine just didn't have the same appeal. Went through the exact same thing with Portisheads' second album.
No just kidding, I like RJ too. But he's totally a Shadow worshipper, right down to the fact that he stole the same drums Shadow used at the beginning of "In/Flux" for his "Chicken-Bone Circuit". And just the fact that it's called "Deadringer"... but, yeah. He's okay. Great cover art.
Too bad "Since We Last Spoke" was kinda lame. Between Shadow and RJD2, I think RJ had the more disappointing sophmore album.
Lambtron said:
Ah, not for me. "Blue Lines" kinda changed how I felt about this whole "hip-hop" thing. (I didn't know it would be known as "Trip Hop" years later) That ENTIRE album is amazing. To me, Mezzanine just didn't have the same appeal. Went through the exact same thing with Portisheads' second album.
Whoa whoa whoa.
DJ Shadow, trip-hop? I disagree. If you want to complete the trip-hop holy triumvirate, why not include Pre-Millennial Tension or Maxinquaye from Tricky? Now THERE is a guy who had a disappointing late-career run.
Portishead a bad album? I STRONGLY disagree. It was every bit as good as Dummy, as far as I'm concerned -- the only difference was that the sound had a more organic feel.
Mezzanine being overrated? I've listened to all the Massive Attack albums again recently, and if anything, Blue Lines is the overrated one -- important for its time, but doesn't hold up well now. Mezzanine is still their best album, Protection is underrated, and 100th Window is absolute shit.
DJ Shadow, trip-hop? I disagree. If you want to complete the trip-hop holy triumvirate, why not include Pre-Millennial Tension or Maxinquaye from Tricky? Now THERE is a guy who had a disappointing late-career run.
Portishead a bad album? I STRONGLY disagree. It was every bit as good as Dummy, as far as I'm concerned -- the only difference was that the sound had a more organic feel.
Mezzanine being overrated? I've listened to all the Massive Attack albums again recently, and if anything, Blue Lines is the overrated one -- important for its time, but doesn't hold up well now. Mezzanine is still their best album, Protection is underrated, and 100th Window is absolute shit.
Trakball said:
Yeah, I get that. I can tell there's a whole lot of Shadow influence, but I just prefer Rj's sound and whatnot. I'm all about progressing music. If you're into someone, and want to do something styled similarly, and can add something, be my guest. Nothing wrong with having influences, right?
I thought Since We Last Spoke was... okay. It was definitely no Deadringer though. I thought that the Soul Position full length was way more disappointing than SWLS, but I think that's because I don't think that Blueprint is an emcee who can carry a full record. His guest spots have always been spot on, and the Soul Position EP was hot as shit, but once you're talking a full length... he seems to fall right the hell off.
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I'm not a big Tricky fan, honesty, and am not too familiar with his work, so I guess I can't really comment. I'll just make my short sighted picks, thankyouverymuch!
I'm tempted to put Splinter by Sneaker Pimps in there, which is a woefully underheard record outside of the UK, and hell, probably here. They brought Bloodsport to the States, but never Splinter. I thought Bloodsport sucked ass (Altered Beast would wholly disagree), so I was extra sad that Splinter never made it. The song "Curl" is just about the greatest thing ever, and the loss of Kelli on vox wasn't nearly as bad as I'd expected, the guy, who's name I forget, does a pretty good job taking over.Oh, and I completely agree with your verdicts on the Massive Attack records.
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For better or for worse, and as much as the guy hates to be put in this category, DJ Shadow is one of the GODFATHERS of "trip-hop". NOBODY was doing shit like "In/Flux", "Hindsight" or the "What Does Your Soul Look Like?" EP at the time. And you can't forget about UNKLE's "Psyence Fiction", either.
Outside of his verses on "Blue Lines", I just never really got into Tricky. I don't know.
-jinx- said:
I thought it was incredibly boring. The genius of "Dummy" was how Geoff worked all those strange samples into an incredible sonic tapestry. With "Portishead", Geoff worked with a symphony, recorded them to vinyl, and used THAT as his groundwork. The difference is astonishing, to me. It's like he read too much positive press and thought he could do anything.
Plus, Beth just annoyed me. I liked her torch diva action on "Dummy" but it wore thin by the 2nd one.
-jinx- said:
Totally disagree. Sure, you may have heard the drum break from "Blue Lines" a million times by now, but what about "Unfinished Sympathy"? "Safe From Harm"? The fucking incredible "One Love"?
Protection is mad underrated, that I do agree with. The title track is one of the best love songs from any genre.
Flynn said:
But it's not though.
Go listen to "If You Find Earth Boring (UNKLE Mix)". Shadow says at the beginning, "you're living in the world of TRIP-HOP."
I know the motherfucka was JOKING when he said it, but seriously - if you're talking about trip-hop, you gotta throw Shadow in there. It's undeniable.
Naked Shuriken said:
File under "good music". I've played that album for a lot of people, and 95% of them like it. Sometimes the best shit is unlabelable. That's right, fucking unlabelable
um portishead has been working on a new album for the last few years supposdly.
here some triva. everytime dj shadow goes in a record shop, the first thing he does is check if his album is under electronica, if it is then he'll move the entire thing to the hiphop section and sometimes tell the managers.
and yes, dj shadow is hiphop.
here some triva. everytime dj shadow goes in a record shop, the first thing he does is check if his album is under electronica, if it is then he'll move the entire thing to the hiphop section and sometimes tell the managers.
and yes, dj shadow is hiphop.
Trakball said:But it's not though.
Go listen to "If You Find Earth Boring (UNKLE Mix)". Shadow says at the beginning, "you're living in the world of TRIP-HOP."
I know the motherfucka was JOKING when he said it, but seriously - if you're talking about trip-hop, you gotta throw Shadow in there. It's undeniable.
File under "good music". I've played that album for a lot of people, and 95% of them like it. Sometimes the best shit is unlabelable. That's right, fucking unlabelable
True all around. But based on his Quannum work, later turntablism records and the eventual uncovering of the sources for most of the breaks on Endtroducing, I still can't shake the feeling that that record is nothing more (no diminishment intended) than a forward-thinking, instrumental hip-hop record.
teepo said:
Yep. But you're saying "electronica", which is like Aphex Twin*, Squarepusher*, Moby*, DJ Icey* etc. I really don't think the dude would be so pissed if his shit was lumped in with Portishead, Massive Attack (he's done remixes for both!), Radiohead**
*I realize I'm casting a wide net here
** a perfect example of an unclassifiable group. would you put "The Bends" in the same category as "Kid A"?
Naked Shuriken said:But putting Dj Shadow under the hiphop label is so SHAMEFUL. Same thing with other artists like RDJ2, Blockhead, Buck65
Oh, hold on parda, hip-hop is NOT a shameful thing. Just because what you hear on the radio is aimed at the lowest common denominator, don't think it's all like that.
You like Shadow, right? Go seek out Asia Born's "Send Them", Shadow's remix of DJ Krush's "Meiso", Blackalicious' "Rhymes for the Deaf Dumb & Blind" or The Teriyaki Boys' (seriously) "Kamakazie 108" and you'll see the difference.
Trakball said:
Agreed.
Allmusic points out the reticence of those labeled "trip hop" to get down with the tag.
And, Naked, there's absolutely nothing shameful about hip-hop...if you're listening to the right kind.
I always thought of Shadow, Krush, RJD2 et all as (instrumental / abstract) Hip-Hop. Trip-Hop was just some NME (or some shit) coined term that was to become the next "chic".
Who cares. The music's great. Maxinquaye, Blue Lines, Endtroducing... killer tunes. That's all that counts.
Who cares. The music's great. Maxinquaye, Blue Lines, Endtroducing... killer tunes. That's all that counts.
Ill Saint said:
I agree with you, but I have to say that I really LIKED the "trip-hop" sound, circa Mo' Wax "Headz", the early days of Ninja Tune, and all the other albums we've talked about.
But then you have shitty stuff like "The Trip Hop Test" (well that wasn't bad, really, but it was uptempo electronica stuff!), Chemical Brothers and all of that being lumped in with "Trip Hop" and eventually the whole damn thing became meaningless.
"I'm not a fan of Trip-Hop" - Double K, "Afternoon Connection"
Ill Saint said:
i remeber way way back in the day when me and my friends and generally a shit loud of others would argue on wether dj krush or dj shadow were the best dj's who were pushing hiphop forward and now they're both labeled as triphop by the masses... wtf is that shit?
and i think it was some newpaper in london which reviewed blue lines from massive attack and the editor made up the term triphop to describe it because it wasn't really hiphop nor was it abstract. it caught on like wildfire the second it was published. massive attack hates the label and portishead has shown some discomfort to it.
teepo said:
I have to be a fanboy for a second, 'cause Josh is like my musical hero - just your favorite DJ savior, I guess - anyways, dude signed my "Entroducing" album, and both him AND James Lavelle signed my gatefold UNKLE LP. James, man, what a wanker - he had this gold sharpie that he was using, and it got clogged... so he smashed it down on the cover of my record and the fucking ink just bled EVERYWHERE. :lol Kinda unique though eh!
When I thought my house was going to burn down last year (in the Southern Cali fires), those two records were the first things I grabbed.
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