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New York Magazine Cover: 35 Women Tell Their Stories About Being Assaulted by Cosby
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Wow.
Many were aspiring models/actresses. They would still have trouble getting people to believe it wasn't consential. Again, we have people TODAY still accusing them of lying.
Oh you sweet summer child.
You're saying cops should actually use rape kits to gather evidence? Yeah, they probably should.
Often they don't.
Rape is one of the least correctly investigated crimes in the justice system, and that's assuming the victim is willing to talk and isn't scared of reprisal.
Not sure what you're even on about, but I'd tread carefully.
I think he already did, at least legally.
It does seem that the practice is still going, regardless of gender. Whatever happened to those bryan singer accusations?
TheVampire
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So whats stopping Cosby from reading all this and then packing all his shit up and fleeing to some country with no extradition treaty?
efyu_lemonardo
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Could somebody from psychology GAF explain to me how the brain of such a person even works?
I'd really like to understand how the Bill Cosby persona and this serial rapist can occupy the same body and not cause it to explode?
People love to use the word psychopath, and I don't doubt it's an appropriate one, but to me it always seems to imply "there is no way to understand how such a mind operates, it is too alien", and I don't accept that.
I believe we need to understand the mechanism behind this better, if we ever want to be able to diagnose and treat these people at an early age, before they've become a menace to society.
I'd really like to understand how the Bill Cosby persona and this serial rapist can occupy the same body and not cause it to explode?
People love to use the word psychopath, and I don't doubt it's an appropriate one, but to me it always seems to imply "there is no way to understand how such a mind operates, it is too alien", and I don't accept that.
I believe we need to understand the mechanism behind this better, if we ever want to be able to diagnose and treat these people at an early age, before they've become a menace to society.
efyu_lemonardo
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But it was such a huge part of how he presented himself to the world. Not just on that show, but on countless others. The man also did lots of work with young children. I don't buy into the notion that people live on a one dimensional moral scale, and I don't think there was a man or woman that ever lived whose life and personality could be accurately summed up in a single sentence. We all contain within us multiple contradictions, some more (and harsher) than others obviously.
And since there must be at least some level of genetic tendency to develop certain undesirable personality traits, by learning more about how this manifests we should be able to improve the rate of diagnosis at an early enough age to prevent some of these people from reaching the point where they can hide it from society. It's the only way to put a stop to this.
On the flip side of this coin, that boy was dropped by his lawyers like a bag of boiling hot potatoes. Credibility issues started to roll in after it was discovered the the boy had already claimed in 2003 in a sworn deposition that Singer (and the others he was suing) was never involved in the mansion parties and sexual and physical assaults that he was accusing him of in his filing. But there was already a small thread on that months ago, to not derail this thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=864212&highlight=bryan+singer
efyu_lemonardo
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exactly! It's a big reason why I object to the popular use of terms such as "insane", "psychopath" etc. Because when most throw them around it seems like they actually mean: "this is such an extreme and unlikely abnormality that there's no point trying to understand or predict it, and it could never happen to me or anyone I know!"
And that attitude is not only non-constructive it's ignorant and dangerous. It spits in the face of future victims and simultaneously encourages people's natural irrational prejudices, which are almost always misguided, thereby creating even more innocent victims. It's burying your head in the sand, just like people in the middle ages must have thought that certain bacterial infections where a sign of being cursed by the devil.
Thanks for the link.
efyu_lemonardo
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You're right, and this is something all societies are guilty of, but it's time we grew up and collectively realized that people who commit heinous crimes aren't demons, just as people who perform wondrous acts of great merit aren't gods. Besides the dangers I already pointed out, it also has the unpleasant side effect of condemning the majority of us to a life of inaction and mediocrity.
It's easy to rationalize shitty behavior if you want it bad enough. In his mind he probably thought that by taking them out, bringing them to hotels, and "letting" them be with a famous person he was doing them a favour.
I'm not too familiar with Cosby's public persona, he's usually ranting about the way young black men dress and act in public. He isn't talking about the importance of consent, so he might not feel that hypocritical. I don't think it's psychopathic, I think it's pretty naturally human. Cosby is obviously an extreme case, but I think you can compare it to how you can morally justify eating meat or speeding in your car. As long as you create a list of reasons why what you're doing is not so bad, or is natural it's easy to not feel guilty about it.
efyu_lemonardo
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I agree that we all find ways to rationalize some of the less agreeable actions we perform. It's probably part of the mind's way of maintaining cognitive coherence as a survival mechanism. But most people also have enough empathy to be able to understand that how others really feel about the way we treat them and how we think they feel aren't the same thing. I'd say that anyone who isn't capable of making this distinction regularly should consider that a malfunction.
JasonUresti
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Those are just labels to classify a set of symptoms and assign a diagnosis.
There are many, many very smart and skilled people around the world doing this research. The fact is that the mechanics of how a brain operates on a physical level is tricky and not a 100% complete picture, and thats to say nothing of the mind and the possible illusion that is a sense of self. Its only a more recent development that neuroscience and studies of the mind are working more in sync.
At this point psychologists could profile Cosby and neurologists could map the physical charqcteristics of his brain functions but the knowledge isnt there yet to link the two sets of data in a comprehensive way to get the hard answers you are looking for.
maquiladora
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He should be in jail for the rest of his life.
efyu_lemonardo
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Yet despite the very high level of complexity which you correctly point out, these labels seem to have a weird tendency to always become ingrained in our culture and eroded to the point of no recognition by popular (mis)use. Why is that?
Think about words such as "depression", "schizophrenia", "OCD", "ADD", "asperger's", "paranoid", "delusional", "maniac", "sociopath"... this list could go on for a long time...
Morrigan Stark
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I read every testimony they posted. At this point I'm wondering if there is even one young woman out there that he met that he didn't rape.
Yet it's crazy how similar each story is, despite being told independently. So many young women trusting him to help them break into the industry. But sometimes just plain random women too, like that journalist who asked him for an interview, or a waitress at a bar, or even a completely random woman who worked in a donut shop he happened to patronize. He acts all fatherly and kindly and no one would ever not trust him, so when he gives them a drink why should they refuse? He pretty much perfected the pattern. Sickening.
And how many times the lines "You do know thats [Hugh] Hefners best friend, right? Nobodys going to believe you. I suggest you shut your mouth.". Whoever the people who said this are, should be tried as accomplices. Fucking assholes. And whoever provides all these pills, too. There's no way he obtained so much drugs legally, is there?
And in some of the stories, Cosby actually did have an accomplice. In one of the stories the woman was raped by a friend of Cosby while he watched and they laughed at her. Just how fucking evil and depraved can a man be?
Yet it's crazy how similar each story is, despite being told independently. So many young women trusting him to help them break into the industry. But sometimes just plain random women too, like that journalist who asked him for an interview, or a waitress at a bar, or even a completely random woman who worked in a donut shop he happened to patronize. He acts all fatherly and kindly and no one would ever not trust him, so when he gives them a drink why should they refuse? He pretty much perfected the pattern. Sickening.
And how many times the lines "You do know thats [Hugh] Hefners best friend, right? Nobodys going to believe you. I suggest you shut your mouth.". Whoever the people who said this are, should be tried as accomplices. Fucking assholes. And whoever provides all these pills, too. There's no way he obtained so much drugs legally, is there?
And in some of the stories, Cosby actually did have an accomplice. In one of the stories the woman was raped by a friend of Cosby while he watched and they laughed at her. Just how fucking evil and depraved can a man be?
Yeah happened to me with Firefox. Try Chrome.
Oh, I think you do know what he's on about... :\
Rationalizing your evil is not mutually exclusive with being a psychopath. I'm not a psychiatrist but I'm still very convinced that he's 100% psychopathic.
Mrs. Manky
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People who might have known:
Camille Cosby
Other members of the Cosby family
Robert "I Spy" Culp
Sidney Poitier
Hugh Hefner
Richard Pryor
Other famous contemporary comedians or jazz musicians
Actors on the Cosby Show in general
Phylicia Rashad (maybe Debbie Allen? Ahmad Rashad?) in particular
Whoopi Goldberg (I'm just putting her on the list out of spite)
More people know than are willing to admit, I'm sure.
Camille Cosby
Other members of the Cosby family
Robert "I Spy" Culp
Sidney Poitier
Hugh Hefner
Richard Pryor
Other famous contemporary comedians or jazz musicians
Actors on the Cosby Show in general
Phylicia Rashad (maybe Debbie Allen? Ahmad Rashad?) in particular
Whoopi Goldberg (I'm just putting her on the list out of spite)
More people know than are willing to admit, I'm sure.
old manatee
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Yeah let's just shit on the reputations of people who might have known nothing at all. I'll bet Malcolm Jamal Warner held them down while the CEO of Jello pudding watched.
I think there's just one ongoing investigation at the moment.
He didn't hide what he was doing. Listen to his old comedy routines. Specifically the bits in which he referred to giving women "Spanish fly" to get them to fuck him.
Still won't load for me. Not on Mobile. Not on wired. Who would DDOS them over this? Rape aficionados?
I have seen the term "SJW" thrown around in a couple of eerie places.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Considering how long he's been alluding to things like "Spanish Fly" in his routines from the angle that's it's a common boy's fantasy, it's probably a lifelong fetish or compulsion. I'm guessing you'd have to dig pretty deep or far back to find what started it, if anything.
Calamari41
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I'm just glad this all hit the fan before the fucker died. There will never be justice for these women, but at least the guy's life is ruined, and he lives to see his legacy for what it truly is.
Random Painted HIghway
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Powerful stuff. I too am glad this is coming out while he is alive to take the heat. Quite sometihng, how all of this unfolded, just breathtaking.
old manatee
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Hubris probably.
Apparently it's unrelated.
http://gawker.com/new-york-magazine-taken-offline-by-hacker-who-hates-new-1720342481
Seems now like it might be sort of? Or not? http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/h...rk-magazine?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc
The Verge says it's a DDoS attack and points out this surprising fact:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/27/9047765/new-york-magazine-bill-cosby-rape-story-ddos-attack
BenjaminBirdie
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They've published it all on their tumblr
http://nymag.tumblr.com/post/125179609945/im-no-longer-afraid-35-women-tell-their
Yeah sorry, that was a typo. The laws just frustrate me because every state has a different set of limitations, and the laws usually seem to affect kids poorly, where the statute ends after the victim turns eighteen, or sometimes twenty-one. The problem is, as a victim it's already hard to come to terms with what happened to you and to find the courage to speak out as an adult. As a child? They might not be okay to talk about it at eighteen, when the statute of limitations have already kicked in.
I know the subject of children makes this a bit off topic, so I apologize. But the law can be a problem with adults too, and victims have advocated for change. As terrible as it is, there should probably be limitations on stuff that happened in the 60s, 70s, 80s, because yes, the evidence is hard to gather at that point. But there are victims in this case from the 90s (at least two, according to the article; I dunno about all 46).
I just meant to say, I don't see any way that Cosby can go to jail at this point, but if we can improve the law in other ways, in ways that does help victims in the future? If that kind of outcome can happen, at least we could get that.
What Hackman said, but also, it seems like in a lot of these stories, Cosby digitally raped the woman. So there wouldn't be semen for a rape kit to find. He knew what he was doing. He had this act perfected: act all nice and fatherly, give them a date with intentions to boost their career, drug them, and very rarely penetrate with his genitals. It was systematic.
This DDoS attack, if it's what it is, is just sad at this point.
Eh, I get where you're going with this, but at the same time I think this line of thinking tries to pathologize behavior that we dislike, but I don't think is actually that unique.
The serial killers who can only get off by killing people? Might be something screwy with them. But Cosby? Who's to say he's not a generous philanthropist who also wanted a sense of power over these women and knew he could get away with it? It makes him a flawed person and nasty piece of work, but I don't think mental illness is needed to explain it.
I tend to think of it in terms of Groundhog Day—if you experienced no consequences for your actions, would you really treat people the same way, day-in or day-out? For some people in this world, no sci-fi macguffin is needed; they really don't experience consequences the way common folk do. And that seems like it would be highly corrupting.
While it's entirely true people close to him could have known, or otherwise abetted his crimes, sometimes people just can't believe it. We had a teacher in high school who always had girls going into his office during non-lunch hours, and we asked him about it and he shrugged that they were just trying to beg better grades and the like. We joked about "oh what's he getting up to in there..." all the time. And then a year after I graduated it turned out that he had been sleeping with girls, and basically avoided any consequences because when he was caught the girl was over 18 and they couldn't prove anything happened prior to that. Maybe some of the people around Cosby thought "oh, Cosby's a creeper..." but it never actually occurred to them there actually might be a disturbing reality to that behavior.
Agent Unknown
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The visual on the cover of the women is a blunt, humanizing visual which should make Cosby's defenders, both former and current, feel very ashamed of themselves.
Agent Unknown
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Just finished reading the entire thing, still can't get over how simultaneously disgusting, terrifying and sad it all collectively is. Cosby destroyed so many lives, he may never go to jail but at least his reputation has been destroyed and he's gotten a big taste of what it feels like to have one's power taken away.
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