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Lort
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Talking to you from a worldwide perspective, we don't even see Xbox ads, we only see Sony's. Worldwide most average people just refer to gaming as playing playstation. Xbox actually sounds more like a troll nickname on a chat roam or porn related. There is no person around here that won't know what Playstation is, no matter how old he/she is. There are Xboxes in some shops, just saying, most other shops just ditched them away as they were taking room with near zero sales.
Most youngesters and older ones when we see famous football players they always play on playstation. It's part of the culture. I can see Xbox making healthy sales in the US, probably in the UK as well. Just don't push your luck above that.
Nobody cares about console sales in Uzbekistan ... they care about total console sales .. and most importantly for developers and the industry total game sales .. which 360 won easily over ps3.
I always said it's unlikely that Xbox outsells playstation ... but having a lockhart that's 150$ cheaper on launch and plays all the same games at the same frame rate .. and basically the only difference is between 4k and 1080p ... and no competitor in that space from Sony... that will make a real difference.
I have a 4k OLED and 1080p with aa almost looks as good as 4k ... I'll be advising my budget conscious friends who barely can tell the difference between the ps4 and xbox games .. to buy the Lockhart .. no question.
I doubt that it will be that much cheaper though is real question though.
Lort
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Your a brave man calling out that ps5 games will be sub 4k in this power hungry spec war forum...
I mean I totally agree with you ... 4k is a bit of a waste really.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Yup, I've long been a campaigner of 1440p for next gen, the quality is brilliant and frees up a lot of power.
Sadly, this won't happen, so get fucked me I guess.
Sadly, this won't happen, so get fucked me I guess.
Mr. PlayStation
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"For legal reasons, we can not currently offer tours of our studio." Sony and their secrets.
You come across as someone working in an art outsourcing company who tour around Sony WWS and third party studios, gathering tech requirements for 8K art etc for PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
What makes you think they've got access to the dev kits?
xool
Member
I wonder what the timing will be for Nvidia to announce/release their long awaited 7 (or 6) nanometer GPUs ..
Huge opportunity to piss on console launch party. I would.
lol pathetic
you know what guys?
PS5 will be revealed tomorrow !I promise you. It WILLbe revealed tomorrow.
Oh and if it doesnt? Although I said it will?
Then... it will be revealed sometime in 2020! If it doesn't, then ban me!
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Since Sony Ericsson T300
I also had one of those Sony mars bar phones in the 90's with the rocker on the side
Currently have XZ2.
So glad they gone back to putting the finger prints sensor on the power button.
Made perfect sense for it to be there and they change it because others phone makers had it on the back of the phone.
pasterpl
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199 in 2014? I don't think so. If i remember correctly the first time Xbox was equal or a few bucks cheaper than PS4 was late 2015, early 2016 with both around 300 bucks and by that time it was already over. At some point the price gets less important and what your friends have is most important. The Blu Ray drive (cheapest Blu Ray player on the market) saved PS3 and the original Xbox was released worldwide when Sony already had sold like 30 million PS2.Will never happen. Xbox One was basically a $199 machine since 2014, sold third of PS4 .
$399/499 Xbox 360 couldn't outsell $600/500 PS3 (overall WW sales not NPD only)
The original Xbox slashed its price to $199 shortly after release and couldn't outsell PS2 despite being twice as powerful (that's more than 100% GPU power not including other advantages (arch and Ram)
Only way for MS to outsell Playstation is simply buying the division (brand) from Sony, and good damn luck with that
But i agree, there is no way MS can outsell PS next gen and the reasons are Pc releases, Game Pass and xCloud.
jasondefaoite
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Software tie ratio
The software tie ratio tells us how many games were sold for every console purchased. Put another way, the hardware to software tie ratio shows how many games a system owner buys on average. A system's tie ratio is Total Software Unit Sales divided by Total Console Unit Sales. Often a system's...
Xbox 360 total software sales 630M
PS3 total software sales 749M
pasterpl
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Software tie ratio
The software tie ratio tells us how many games were sold for every console purchased. Put another way, the hardware to software tie ratio shows how many games a system owner buys on average. A system's tie ratio is Total Software Unit Sales divided by Total Console Unit Sales. Often a system's...vgsales.fandom.com
Xbox 360 total software sales 630M
PS3 total software sales 749M
someone said to me, couple pages ago, that data from Wiki should not be trusted as anyone can edit it. just sayin'
xool
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Said the same about the Ryzen 4800U (~PS4 GPU power, 8 cores) .. at 15+Watts it'd be a chunky one
Not surprising since piracy copies were available on 360.Software tie ratio
The software tie ratio tells us how many games were sold for every console purchased. Put another way, the hardware to software tie ratio shows how many games a system owner buys on average. A system's tie ratio is Total Software Unit Sales divided by Total Console Unit Sales. Often a system's...
Xbox 360 total software sales 630M
PS3 total software sales 749M
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Yes, the reveal is most definitely between now and December 31.
Edit: Not an insider.
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I don't see that happening. But who knows
Hi, if it can be real, it will be a good idea. 499 is a good psychological price, even if 500go IS low for digital game players
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jasondefaoite
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Generally true. Unsourced data from Wiki should not be trusted. Sources are provided for the information sited.
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
People seem to be hardliners here despite pretending to be agnostic. At what point will you admit bias or will everyone ride it out forever? I mean, Sony's first party is small fries just like Microsoft's (Just Sony tend to do a better job in variety).
What would make you change consoles?
I like Xbox because of the superior support for 4K and power that came later in the current generation. I HAVE owned every generation of PS and Xbox. If Sony had the better hardware to support next gen displays than Xbox, I'd go PS5 in a heartbeat. This means focusing heavily on HDMI 2.1 capabilities instead of selling me a brand. If PS5 or XSX were HDMI 2.0 I wouldn't even consider them as a serious upgrade.
I don't really care about services, but I know that's important this generation to many. (When my gamepass expires in May I'll go back to buying physical games as usual).
It's a little sad though if the Xbox is better in both services AND technology and both get essentially the same 3rd party releases as expected.
The only selling point I expect from Sony for PS5 right now is "Hey we've got shittier technology, but hey, it's "good enough and both platforms will be great" & look at 'dis brand recognition!".
But, at least they will have PSVR2 and maybe they'll moneyhat enough 3rd party exclusives again to keep all the non first world countries eating it up yet again. If there's one thing that's for sure, poverty goes hand in hand with Soccer and Playstation.
I'd say that Playstation had a more promising future if they'd be less irrational and move their headquarters back to Japan.
The Playstation headquarters in California will shape and mold next gen PS for the Resetera crowd far more than for Gaffers and real gamers.
I would hope that the BEST CONSOLE wins, but we all know that Soccer and PS5 are going to always be #1 and thinking otherwise is on par with expecting Peace in the Middle East... Unless Sony Pulls a Don Matrick (They won't).
What would make you change consoles?
I like Xbox because of the superior support for 4K and power that came later in the current generation. I HAVE owned every generation of PS and Xbox. If Sony had the better hardware to support next gen displays than Xbox, I'd go PS5 in a heartbeat. This means focusing heavily on HDMI 2.1 capabilities instead of selling me a brand. If PS5 or XSX were HDMI 2.0 I wouldn't even consider them as a serious upgrade.
I don't really care about services, but I know that's important this generation to many. (When my gamepass expires in May I'll go back to buying physical games as usual).
It's a little sad though if the Xbox is better in both services AND technology and both get essentially the same 3rd party releases as expected.
The only selling point I expect from Sony for PS5 right now is "Hey we've got shittier technology, but hey, it's "good enough and both platforms will be great" & look at 'dis brand recognition!".
But, at least they will have PSVR2 and maybe they'll moneyhat enough 3rd party exclusives again to keep all the non first world countries eating it up yet again. If there's one thing that's for sure, poverty goes hand in hand with Soccer and Playstation.
I'd say that Playstation had a more promising future if they'd be less irrational and move their headquarters back to Japan.
The Playstation headquarters in California will shape and mold next gen PS for the Resetera crowd far more than for Gaffers and real gamers.
I would hope that the BEST CONSOLE wins, but we all know that Soccer and PS5 are going to always be #1 and thinking otherwise is on par with expecting Peace in the Middle East... Unless Sony Pulls a Don Matrick (They won't).
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Gamernyc78
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The irony with the shittier technology. What bs did I just read? Was it shittier technology tht allowed them to push streaming games years before? Allowed them to innovate with first VR headset on consoles? Made their games look better on PS4? Some real fanboy dribble I won't even bother to correct bcus it's frivolous bs not to mention most of Sony's consoles had superior advanced hardware/software features from PS3 with true Surround sound 7.1, True 3D, Blu ray, etc to PS4 being more powerful than Xbox one and it was really obvious in games and having advanced features and add-ons not found elsewhere like shareplay and psvr. Xbox basically played catchup through software updates all Gen to get to where Sony was already.Keep fighting tht fight though lol you'll find other excuses when psv has superior RT and SSD speeds bcus thts what fans do.
As soon as I see crazy, delusional comments like tht I put the person on ignore. My ignore list is crazy long right now
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JonTheGod
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Wut?
Uncharted 4
Uncharted: Lost Legacy
The Last of Us: Remastered
The Last of Us, Part II
LED Guy?
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He'll be shocked when he learns that PS5 is as powerful or more powerful than XSX
Keep fighting tht fight though lol you'll find other excuses when psv has superior RT and SSD speeds bcus thts what fans do.
Gamernyc78
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He'll be shocked when he learns that PS5 is as powerful or more powerful than XSX
You read the dumbest shit on here
Like ppl don't even try to make what thy write make sense when it's a lie lol
The Shift
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Keep fighting tht fight though lol you'll find other excuses when psv has superior RT and SSD speeds bcus thts what fans do.
Yeah but aside from that Sony would make a great 3rd Party developer/publisher - especially on Xbox/Windows
Try and deny it.
You can't.
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mejin
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someday, you will understand that there is a concrete and significant difference between the playstation and xbox brands worldwide.
this is one of the factors that many are not considering as if playstation and xbox had the same weight on the scale, it doesn't.
even if Spencer continues to spend money from MS to cover investments that the xbox segment is unable to pay for itself, he will never have the money to buy everyone.
this is one of the factors that many are not considering as if playstation and xbox had the same weight on the scale, it doesn't.
even if Spencer continues to spend money from MS to cover investments that the xbox segment is unable to pay for itself, he will never have the money to buy everyone.
Gamernyc78
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So would Nintendo because thy both develop games (drum roll please) ppl actually want to play
Tht has nothing to do with the ridiculous comment I was responding to.
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
Shocked when the weaker system is more powerful? I'd be surprised, and even buy it. Wishful thinking on your part though.He'll be shocked when he learns that PS5 is as powerful or more powerful than XSX
At least you're not afraid to confront my statements with your own bias.
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LED Guy?
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It's just jokes man, I mean, Sony when they released their consoles on their own years, they were the benchmark.
PS1 was the most powerful console when it released, PS2 was too, PS3 was a bit more powerful than Xbox 360 overall, and PS4 as well is more powerful than Xbox One.
Gamernyc78
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Don't be fooled some of these ppl are so brain washed thy are not joking. They really believe some of this shit without any factual truth to it. I call it the Mistermediax syndrome
The Shift
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So would Nintendo because thy both develop games (drum roll please) ppl actually want to play
Tht has nothing to do with the ridiculous comment I was responding to.
Fair enough but to imply there is some sort of magical secret sauce that can only exist in Playstation consoles because 'Sony' is a bit of a stretch.
LED Guy?
Banned
Yeah I know
I'm just playing around
Gamernyc78
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Who implied that? I'm going by history of consoles and the innovations tht Playstation constantly pushes which is factual. His post made no sense and I refuted it and gave some examples.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Some of you need to breath a little. It's a toy.
Gamernyc78
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my favorite %ucking toy damn it!!!
Gm to everyone. Let's see what news we get today if any
OsirisBlack
JAMMA
Last warning for console wars
Refuted what? I'm talking about XSX & PS5 (in case you missed the thread title). Who cares if PS3 had Blu-Ray? Did PS4 have 4K UHD? Has VR taken off? Lmao, keep on dreamin'.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Technically it's a separate section under electronics.
DeeDogg_
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TLDR he's not confident in his info and he'll double down once he's inevitably proven wrong and pull the "gamers win!" Card at the end of the day.See the thing is the numbers I have passed along I hope I am proven wrong.
That means us as gamers win and we are getting truly monster machines.
Plus you all can laugh at me and I will eat crow or whatever else you serve me and will smile and still love you all, well most of you all
With how current gen games can look on the Pro and X I will be very happy to play on a 10 ish TF machine and can't wait to see what Devs can do with even that much power.
With diminishing returns a 10% or so power gap is nothing this upcoming gen.
My 2 cents on that one
Fake
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They have nothing more there. Is natural.
You should post this on meta thread.
Is cute people downplay a video game on a video game forum, inside a video game thread.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
DeeDogg_
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What's the point of vetting if there's no consequences if the person is a fake? I....wtf?They'll never be trusted again?
We know how fickle us gamers are.
Gediminas
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stop embarrass your self. no one knows what PS5 and xbox will end up. at this point of time, we can look at the past and the facts.
you are not jamma, you are chris paul because you dribble so good...
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DeeDogg_
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Once you see someone go to these lengths to tease, it's most likely fake.
Just remember the name DeeThaDogg y'all... I will be right here the moment shit hits the fan
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
my favorite %ucking toy damn it!!!
Gm to everyone. Let's see what news we get today if any
Trouble is mate, that's totally fine. I love the damn things as well. But some of you, yes, even you, have this strange bias. It's very obvious you favour Sony, more power to you. That's fine. Everybody likes one over the other, everybody has a preference. But you're using this bias to essentially shoot down anything that says the SX may be better, but take on blind faith when somebody says the PS5 may be better.
The thing is, that yes, historically, the PlayStation has had great tech, and yes, historically, they have had better first party games, and of course yes, historically, they have sold more. But that doesn't mean that it's 100% going to be the same in the future. Hell a lot of xboxes decisions at times the annoying, most of all their stance on VR.
Im not a betting man, but I would put more money on PS5 selling more than Xbox next gen, of course I would. But you can't talk about first party output as fact, because to be fair, Xbox have made huge changes and put a lot of work in. I'm sure PS5 will still have heavy hitters and they will be incredible, but I think Xbox may surprise a few people with some of their own. The truth here is you can't say for certain.
And as for hardware, you're cherry picking details. The PSOne was vastly inferior to the N64 except for its cd rom. The Ps2 was vastly inferior to the Xbox, hell even the Dreamcast. The ps3 was over engineered to the point that people couldn't get it running as good as the 360. The PS4 was a solid machine but mostly because Xbox really did fuck up with the one, and they chased the wrong areas, and let's not joke here, the cooling in the PS4 is utterly dreadful. But you only have to look at the pro versus one x to see that design philosophy had changed, and while yes there was a one year gap, the x is far, far superior. The cooling in particular.
Now for next gen? Well, the same thing keeps getting repeated over and over, that the SX isn't as mature in dev kit but faster, the PS5 is more mature in dev kit but a tiny bit slower, and nothing matters because they are equal. That's fine. That's the best result. You WANT that. But some of you really are hurting at the fact SX may be that stupidly tiny little bit faster...? Hell I can't say what I know, from my talks with my friends who have actual hardware in hand, all of different updates. All I will say is the above lines up. For now. At this moment. But I wouldn't put anything out there, I'm not an idiot.
You will still get a stupidly powerful ps5. You will still get your Sony exclusives. It will still blow your balls off.
Just calm the strange bias down a tad, that's all. It's a bit embarrassing. You're free to like what you want, but you're outright in some cases insulting people who dare to say something you don't agree on. It's... it's just weird, man...
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DeeDogg_
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You do know that this is a gaming enthusiast site right? So maybe just leave if people bring passionate about something makes you mad for some reason.. I mean people are like this on reddit twitter...everywhere dude.
He'll be shocked when he learns that PS5 is as powerful or more powerful than XSX
do you have Insider Knowledge? Can you tell us more?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
If you'll read my previous posts in this thread you'll see that I'm totally fine about people being passionate. I've made many a post in this thread about how things work, technology, and what is likely or not. In fact I'm likely one of the higher posters. You may even notice that certain people ignore what I say, because it doesn't fit what they want to hear.
I'm totally fine with people being passionate.
But when you slam people down for not sharing your point of view, that's when it gets a bit awkward. Feel free to discuss why you believe X is better than Y, but don't cherry pick the details that suit your agenda and then moan when people remind you of the bits you conveniently ignore that don't suit your narrative.
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